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JamesFargo said:
Archer is kind of an asshole. Sisko has anger issues, and struggles with them.

They kerp dropping hints that he was a hothead in the Academy. Not a thrill seeker like Picard before the transplant, but a real hothead.
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I know Archer was written as a bit of a dick in some episodes but I could never buy into Scott Bakula as Captain Asshole. More like slightly too-nice teacher who overcompensates by blowing up when the kids finally wear his patience down.

Avery Brooks seems like the real deal, and I kinda respect that. The acting profession is full of insincere suckups from what I gather so it's lol if true that he acted like Daddy Big Balls on set and made people call him MISTER Brooks.

Imagine if he was on the set of Discovery.
 
ProfDongs said:
I liked Voyager, it was at least constant in its mediocrity with a few spikes of great episodes. It is a mess though.
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Voyager is one of those shows that I think the TNG fans despise disproportionately to the rest of the Trek fans floating around. Even DS9 fans seem to unconsciously acknowledge that Voyager was a neccesarily evil to keep the producers distracted and allow DS9 to have an actual plot and characters instead of the soap opera shit Voyager was devoured by.

Voyager's problem relative to TNG is that its not deep and intellectual enough. Or at least its not percieved to be. As I mentioned before TNG definitely had its sillier aspects and the idea that it was way more sophisticated than even TOS is mostly an internet thing. While TNG's good episodes are leagues above anything Voyager could manage, the truth is that Voyager's average episodes are about on par with TNG's average episodes. Though this is more a product of quantity than quality. Its basically just TNG 2: With A Younger Cast.
 
Whoever said:
I'm trying to rewatch DS9 for the first time since I was a kid and knowing about all the back stage stuff and Avery Brooks being an asshole to everyone has kind of poisoned it from the get go. At least when I watch TNG I forget that the movies and the Picard show exist.
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Where did you hear Avery was an asshole? I know he was somewhat reluctant to do it, but Ive never heard of him being an outright ass.


Newman's Lovechild said:
Help me out here. Is that Christopher Lloyd, or Hulk Hogan? :cringe:
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That is Lloyd my man. Him and Shatner did a buddy comedy with some chick romance that came out this year.




 
Joanne Linville , who played the Romulan Commander in The Enterprise Incident, has died.

That was the best episode out of that season.
 
L50LasPak said:
I suppose as a TOS fag I do get a bit of smug satisfaction from Picard being dethroned from the Kirk vs Picard debate (which in my opinion was always one-sided nonsense anyway, TNG fans have always been really touchy).

I do have to wonder how much of it was influenced by Patrick Stewart himself though. Its clear that Kirk's perception in pop culture was influenced by Shatner's desire to project him as a badboy ladies man rebel. Likewise Stewart probably did a great deal to encourage this idea that Picard is a calm and thoughtful leader. Its just sort of hilarious becuase while Shatner is a jokey putz behind the facade, Stewart behind his facade is a pent-up nerd who just wants to make women's clothes fall off and do redneck offroading. You couldn't possibly contradict the character you helped make famous more.


Give TOS a shot. I screened most of it on movienight a few months back and I was surprised at how much even the younger people liked it. It seems to be a boomer thing to treat TOS like its hokey and goofy; its really not any dumber than TNG was capable of being; just more colorful and oldschool.

Try to find the non-remastered version with the original special effects though. What they did to the show with CGI was criminal. A few episodes are improved by the CGI, but they're very few and far between. Plus the CGI just does not gell with the 1960s look and feel of the show. And on top of that its dated as fuck 2006 CGI that would look out of place on the original XBox.
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I personally like *some* of the CGI effects for the remastering. For example; when the Enterprise orbited a planet, they replaced the orange or green video blob with a semi decent looking actual planet. But yes, I wholly agree they do not jive well with the 1960s set production values....
 
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Kornula said:
I personally like *some* of the CGI effects for the remastering. For example; when the Enterprise orbited a planet, they replaced the orange or green video blob with a semi decent looking actual planet. But yes, I wholly agree they do not jive well with the 1960s set production values....
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How about the time warp from the end of "Tomorrow is Yesterday"?


CGI: Warp around the sun
OG: "I have to go now, my planet needs me."
 
JamesFargo said:
The doc touched on this a little. He likes to wrong-foot people and throw them off.

Chase Masterson tells a story (on the DVD) about Avery ignoring her real name and calling her "Cathy", the character she plays in a NordicTrack infomercial.
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People are too thin skinned these days. that doesn't sound that bad.
 
Kornula said:
I personally like *some* of the CGI effects for the remastering. For example; when the Enterprise orbited a planet, they replaced the orange or green video blob with a semi decent looking actual planet. But yes, I wholly agree they do not jive well with the 1960s set production values....
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Some episodes have objectively better SFX, like The Trouble With Tribbles and The Ultimate Computer. Others like The Doomsday Machine are incredibly bad (the Planet Killer looks awful). Even so I find myself missing the fuzzy planet SFX the most of all when I rewatched the show in HD.

Preferred Penne said:
CGI: Warp around the sun
OG: "I have to go now, my planet needs me."
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In the show's defense, traveling at supreluminal speeds around the sun kind of wouldn't look like much. The CGI version is much more dramatic but its also sillier since literally nothing would be able to survive basically grazing the corona of a sun like that

JamesFargo said:
The doc touched on this a little. He likes to wrong-foot people and throw them off.

Chase Masterson tells a story (on the DVD) about Avery ignoring her real name and calling her "Cathy", the character she plays in a NordicTrack infomercial.
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Michael Wade said:
People are too thin skinned these days. that doesn't sound that bad.
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Not gonna lie that sounds hilarious. I'm getting shades of the "William Fucking Shatner" story where Shatner was infamously a dick to Will Wheaton for seemingly no reason the one time he was on the set of TNG, but in retrospect the incident comes off as suspect since Wheaton has shown himself to be such a fuckface in the mean time that you have to wonder if Shatner had a good reason to tell him off back then.

In Brooks's case its hard to tell if the other actors were primadonnas or not or if it was just him who was being the primadonna. The way he's distanced himself from the franchise too is interesting; did he really have that low of an opinion on it, or does he just not want that role to take over his personality as has happened with other actors who did famous shows?
 
L50LasPak said:
Some episodes have objectively better SFX, like The Trouble With Tribbles and The Ultimate Computer. Others like The Doomsday Machine are incredibly bad (the Planet Killer looks awful). Even so I find myself missing the fuzzy planet SFX the most of all when I rewatched the show in HD.


In the show's defense, traveling at supreluminal speeds around the sun kind of wouldn't look like much. The CGI version is much more dramatic but its also sillier since literally nothing would be able to survive basically grazing the corona of a sun like that



Not gonna lie that sounds hilarious. I'm getting shades of the "William Fucking Shatner" story where Shatner was infamously a dick to Will Wheaton for seemingly no reason the one time he was on the set of TNG, but in retrospect the incident comes off as suspect since Wheaton has shown himself to be such a fuckface in the mean time that you have to wonder if Shatner had a good reason to tell him off back then.

In Brooks's case its hard to tell if the other actors were primadonnas or not or if it was just him who was being the primadonna. The way he's distanced himself from the franchise too is interesting; did he really have that low of an opinion on it, or does he just not want that role to take over his personality as has happened with other actors who did famous shows?
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With how insane most star trek franchise actors have turn out to be. One has to wonder with the stories of Shatner and Brooks acting like assholes to a certain actors who would later proved to be assholes themselves. One has to wonder if those were justified incidents.
 
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