Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Holy shit. DS9 went from this show I watched while playing on my phone at night before bed after finishing TNG to my official favorite Star Trek series.

The Visitor just...hurt. Why is there not TV like that anymore? I mean I know the answer but you still have to ask the question. That episode and The Way of the Warrior was better than most new movies I've watched the past half decade or so.
 
JamesFargo said:
He was great in "Sons of Mogh", as Worf's brother Kurn. One of Michael Dorn's best outings.

Speaking of that ending: In some ways, Worf had it even worse than O'Brien!
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I kind of always wished they made a Klingon centric series since all the TNG and DS9 Klingon episodes were usually pretty good. It probably would have been expensive as hell though on make up alone.
 
JamesFargo said:
He was great in "Sons of Mogh", as Worf's brother Kurn. One of Michael Dorn's best outings.

Speaking of that ending: In some ways, Worf had it even worse than O'Brien!
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I challenge you (and anybody else reading this) to find me something that Tony Todd *wasn't* great in.
I am not offering any kind of reward... And in fact... I don't really want to see anything he wasn't great in @_@ but yeah, he's been great in every character I've ever seen him play, including Kurn.

As for Worf having it worse than O'Brien... O'Brien's life would have probably been *better* overall if his crazy wife had died (and yet this did not happen). I know Worf actually did lose his wife, but he overall seemed ok about it, no better or worse. (The fact that she didn't really die, and lived on in Deanna Troi 2.0, only worse, might have had something to do with it. )
 
Poop A Loop said:
Holy shit. DS9 went from this show I watched while playing on my phone at night before bed after finishing TNG to my official favorite Star Trek series.

The Visitor just...hurt. Why is there not TV like that anymore? I mean I know the answer but you still have to ask the question. That episode and The Way of the Warrior was better than most new movies I've watched the past half decade or so.
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Adults stopped writing show (outside of Breaking Bad and Bettter Call Saul).
 
UnKillShredDur said:
O'Brien's life would have probably been *better* overall if his crazy wife had died (and yet this did not happen).
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Is the "Keiko is a psycho bitch" thing just a meme? Because I kind of believe it unironically when rewatching recently. Even in her debut episode she is being a shitty bridezilla.
 
Miles could have avoided all of this by not being such an otaku weeb and marrying a psychotic Asian body pillow.
 
Hello darkness my old friend.... 🎵

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Future Molly can still get it, tho:

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From what I understand, Molly's actress regularly attends cons and the fans love her.
 
There is a Law and Order episode with Keiko where she's a psycho Asian mom who pushed her daughter to be a numbah wan doctor and even murdered someone who got in the middle of her way.

Because, of course.

JamesFargo said:
Hello darkness my old friend....
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Funny how in the first episodes of Trek they were all "countries? what are countries?" and then all of a sudden geographical traditions and customs came back.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Funny how in the first episodes of Trek they were all "countries? what are countries?" and then all of a sudden geographical traditions and customs came back.
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With a vengeance. Planet Scotland!

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JUST DINNAE LIGHT THAT CANDLE.

At least they're doing better than Space Ireland did. (Jesus, that was actually a real episode.)

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Riker is a hardline Prime Directive advocate... until he sees a navel he wants to lick.

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RomanesEuntDomus said:
Futuristic escapism that doesn't make you want to rinse your mouth with 00 buckshot? Quite a concept.

Now, I enjoy gritty Sci-Fi like Alien or The Expanse as much as the next guy, but Star Trek should, at its core, try to inspire and encourage us to be the best we can, to strife to do the best we can and to built something great and magnificent together.
Star Trek would be the perfect backdrop for current political hot-button-topics like climate change and diversity, if it was done right. It would be preachy, but at least it would be emphasizing why it's positive to attempt to change for the better, instead of beating us over the head about how terrible everything is if we don't. Why do I need to watch a bunch of assholes dropping f-bombs in a shipyard on Mars like they were in a ghetto in Detroit? Why does everything have to be so bleak and unappealing? Why does everyone have to be an asshole to everyone else?
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Yeah, that's kind of strange. Star Trek presents the most optimistic vision of a secular humanist future that you could ever hope to have. Humanity comes together as once, disregards all prejudices of race, nation, tribe and religion, abandons the pursuit of wealth and replaces it with an individual pursuit of self excellence, eradicates crime, poverty and every other social ill and travels into the stars to bring their enlightened ways to all the galaxy. Star Trek is a vision of the future if everything that current day secular humanists say should happen, did happen and it's supposed to be a utopian vision of a perfected humanity that has overcome the innate flaws of human nature through social engineering.

It seems bizarre that these people get handed a show where it actually makes perfect sense to show their particular ideology in its most positive light and instead choose to go grimdark and make everyone assholes. The United Federation of Planets is what you want, what you say we should be aiming for as a species why the fuck are you deconstructing it and making the case for the conservatives who say humanity can't be perfected through social policy?

I just don't understand what their goal is. The Federation is supposed to be the exemplar of all that humanity could achieve if we just trusted the science, but instead the new writers decide to have Picard berated about his internalized racism or some shit which completely defeats the whole point of the series. It's probably just a reflection of the original 90s progressives who were hopeless optimists and the current brand of progressives who are extremely jaded and can't resist their temptation to deconstruct even if it's a fantasy world where they get everything they say they've ever wanted.
 
Zarael said:
It's probably just a reflection of the original 90s progressives who were hopeless optimists and the current brand of progressives who are extremely jaded and can't resist their temptation to deconstruct even if it's a fantasy world where they get everything they say they've ever wanted.
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Star Trek's brand of utopianism is all but extinct. Indeed, the whole concept of "the future" has vanished into the rear-view mirror. 🤔
 
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JamesFargo said:
Star Trek's brand of utopianism is all but extinct. Indeed, the whole concept of "the future" has vanished into the rear-view mirror. 🤔

I assume the eighties is where it started to go wrong; Alan Moore's generation. They didn't expect to get out of the 20th century alive. Doctor Who took a turn for the worse around that time, as well.
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You mean Gen X?
 
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