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At least they're doing better than Space Ireland did. (Jesus, that was actually a real episode.)
That episode could have been good if they had only kept them as "generic farmers".

I mean, these are supposed to be Irish people who lived in a time when spaceships already exist. I am certain that Ireland in that time doesn't look like Ireland from the start of the 20th Century, all wars and calamities aside. Robert Picard is also a traditional old school man and he neither looks or acts like Monsieur Frenchy McFrench.
 
I mean, these are supposed to be Irish people who lived in a time when spaceships already exist. I am certain that Ireland in that time doesn't look like Ireland from the start of the 20th Century
They just think their audience is stupid.

When Fair Haven declared Tom and Harry were witches, I could hear Ireland cutting off diplomatic ties with America.

Ruplestiltskin was supposed to be a Leprechaun ("If Wishes Were Horses") until Colm Meaney protested and made them change it.
 
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Did someone in ST production hate Ireland? IICR, they also got in trouble because they mentioned an "unification".

(Three years left, btw)
The Troubles were still going on throughout all of TNG, and apparently for most of DS9... But I mean, Lieutenant Kevin Riley of TOS (not a main character, but a recurring character who was often portrayed as an idiot for one reason or another) was also around during the beginning of that period of time... You may have a pint, I mean point.
 
Star Trek is perhaps best known for its "planets of hats", including this one, where all of the inhabitants dress like Jane Fonda.

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At one convention I remember Armin & Terry being asked if they could improvise and apparently their performances always had to be "dead letter perfect." Exactly as it was written, no deviation. (Time stamped below.)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0mDHIRNWy-Q:1437
No idea if TNG was like that but it would be funny if Brent was banned from fixing script mistakes the writers made because of DLP.
I've heard that on TNG it was like "listen, we are the writers, you are the actor, so know your place".

With a vengeance. Planet Scotland!

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JUST DINNAE LIGHT THAT CANDLE.

At least they're doing better than Space Ireland did. (Jesus, that was actually a real episode.)

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Riker is a hardline Prime Directive advocate... until he sees a navel he wants to lick.

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That episode really felt like a TOS script that didn't get made at the time.
 
Can Paramount+ Succeed? One Producer Hopes to Make It So.

“He’s our future,” one CBS Studios executive said of Alex Kurtzman, who has a lucrative contract to expand the “Star Trek” universe — and with it the streaming service’s audience.

Like so many other writer-directors, Alex Kurtzman grew up worshiping film.

But he is adaptable — and in the streaming era, that is a very lucrative trait.

Mr. Kurtzman, the onetime writer of the “Transformers” movies and the director of the 2017 film “The Mummy,” recently renegotiated his deal at CBS Studios into one of the richest there. Under the $160 million, five-and-a-half-year agreement, he will continue to shepherd the growing “Star Trek” television universe for ViacomCBS’s Paramount+ streaming platform.

He will also create shows, including a limited series based on “The Man Who Fell to Earth,” which he will direct for Showtime, and the long-awaited adaptation of Michael Chabon’s Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, “The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay.” That limited series is likely to be sold to an outside streaming service.

Mr. Kurtzman’s deal is the latest in a string intended to give prolific producers, like Shonda Rhimes and Ryan Murphy for Netflix and Jordan Peele with Amazon Studios, free rein to create content that can feed insatiable consumer appetites and hopefully boost subscriptions for streaming. This one puts the ambitions of CBS Studios — the production arm for the networks and channels under the ViacomCBS umbrella — squarely in the hands of the 47-year-old Mr. Kurtzman.

“From the first meeting I had with Alex, it was so obvious to me that he’s our future,” George Cheeks, the president and chief executive of CBS, said in an interview. “The guy can develop for broadcast. He can develop for premium streaming, broad streaming. He understands the business. He’s got tremendous empathy. He’s creatively nimble.

“When you make these investments,” Mr. Cheeks continued, “you need to know that this talent can actually deliver multiple projects at the same time across multiple platforms.”


Image“Star Trek: Discovery” is one of five “Star Trek” shows that Mr. Kurtzman has produced.
“Star Trek: Discovery” is one of five “Star Trek” shows that Mr. Kurtzman has produced.Credit...Michael Gibson/CBS
The road ahead won’t be easy for ViacomCBS. Its fledgling Paramount+ was a late entry into streaming, and is essentially a rebranded and expanded version of CBS All Access. The company promotes the service’s news and live sports, including National Football League games, along with “a mountain of movies.” (“A Quiet Place 2” debuted on it on July 13.) But Paramount+, in combination with a smaller Showtime streaming offering, had just 36 million subscribers as of May.

While it hopes to reach 65 million to 75 million global subscribers by 2024, that’s still a far cry from Netflix’s worldwide total of almost 210 million and the nearly 104 million for Disney+. Even NBCUniversal announced on Thursday that it had 54 million sign-ups for its Peacock streaming service, thanks to an Olympic push.

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And with consolidation mania consuming Hollywood, many analysts are not confident that ViacomCBS will be able to continue to compete with the larger companies on its own.

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“I think it’s hard to imagine any of these companies going it alone; I think they are all too small,” said Richard Greenfield, an analyst at LightShed Partners. “The challenge, whether it’s Peacock, Paramount+, Disney+ or Hulu, is that all of these companies are still conflicted over what do they put on linear TV, what do they put in a movie theater and what do they put on streaming.

“Netflix, Amazon and Apple do not have that debate every day,” he added. “All their assets go into one thing. Here, they have to balance, and that makes all of their streaming services suboptimal.”

Those corporate considerations don’t seem to bother Mr. Kurtzman. Rather than bemoaning the diminished state of movies or anguishing over the lack of viable buyers as the market shrinks, he said he was finding the current climate to be creatively invigorating and remarkably fluid.


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Mr. Kurtzman said he wanted to make the “Star Trek” universe as expansive as the Marvel universe.
Mr. Kurtzman said he wanted to make the “Star Trek” universe as expansive as the Marvel universe.Credit...Philip Cheung for The New York Times
“I do believe that the line between movies and television is gone now, and that to me is a tremendous opportunity,” he said in an interview. “For me and for showrunners like me, we can tell stories in a new way. We are not limited by the narrow definition of how you tell a story — something must be told in 10 hours, or something must be told in two hours.”

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Mr. Kurtzman began working with CBS in 2009 when he developed the reboot of “Hawaii Five-0” with his former writing partner, Roberto Orci. In 2017, he began reimagining the “Star Trek” universe for the company, building on his familiarity with the franchise after co-writing the two J.J. Abrams-directed “Star Trek” movies several years earlier.

Since then, he has produced five shows in the universe initially imagined in the 1960s by Gene Roddenberry, and all will be on Paramount+. They are “Star Trek: Discovery”; “Star Trek: Picard”; “Star Trek: Lower Decks”; “Star Trek: Prodigy,” which will debut in the fall; and “Star Trek: Strange New Worlds,” set for release in 2022. ViacomCBS says “Star Trek: Discovery” and “Star Trek: Picard” are among the most watched original series on Paramount+.

Also in the works are “Section 31,” starring Michelle Yeoh, and a show built around the “Starfleet Academy,” which will be aimed at a younger audience.

But how much “Star Trek” does one planet need?

“I think we’re just getting started,” Mr. Kurtzman said. “There’s just so much more to be had.”

He recently finished a four-month shoot in London for the first half of “The Man Who Fell to Earth,” a 10-episode series based on the 1976 David Bowie film. Chiwetel Ejiofor plays a new alien character who arrives on Earth at a turning point in human evolution.

Mr. Kurtzman said he loved the experience of working on the series, buoyed by the fact that the pandemic allowed him and his writing partner, Jenny Lumet, the opportunity to complete all the episodes before production began.

“I would absolutely not be doing anything differently if we were making this as a film,” he said. “I’m working with movie stars in three different countries, shooting sequences that are certainly not typical television sequences, all of which I can only do because of my experience working in films.”

Ms. Lumet met Mr. Kurtzman in 2015. He requested getting together after seeing the film “Rachel Getting Married,” which she wrote. Ms. Lumet said she was surprised that this “sci-fi robot guy in khakis” was interested in meeting her at all.

“All he wanted to do was talk about tiny moments, tiny real moments in movies and tiny moments in television shows, and he was so gentle and willing to listen,” she said. “Usually, the robot guys aren’t willing to listen to anything, and that’s all he wanted to do. It was really cool.”

The two have worked on everything from “Star Trek: Discovery” and “Star Trek: Strange New Worlds” to the short-lived “Clarice” and “The Man Who Fell to Earth.” Next, they plan to tackle the story of Ms. Lumet’s grandmother Lena Horne in a limited series for Showtime.

Those around Mr. Kurtzman credit his early experience in television (“Alias,” “Fringe,” “Sleepy Hollow”) for giving him the ability to manage multiple projects at one time without appearing to be overwhelmed. “He has an almost supernatural ability to keep separate train tracks in his head, this show, this show and this show, and he can jump from one to the other,” Ms. Lumet said. “He is one of the few people who can keep all the trains running.”

His work as a film screenwriter began on Michael Bay’s 2005 film, “The Island.” Soon, he and Mr. Orci were being called “Hollywood’s secret weapons” for their ability to crack scripts on lucrative existing properties that others couldn’t (like “Transformers”). That led him to consider “Star Trek” in the same expansive terms that Marvel Studios views its cinematic universe. It’s a strategy that CBS Studios thoroughly endorses.

David Stapf, president of CBS Studios, points to “Star Trek: Prodigy” as an example. The animated show, one of the first animated “Star Trek” shows geared at children, is set to debut in the fall on Paramount+ before moving to Nickelodeon.

“It obviously builds fans at a much younger generation, which helps with consumer products,” Mr. Stapf said. “But it’s also a smart way to look at building an entire universe.”

To Mr. Stapf, who has overseen CBS Studios since 2004, the “Marvelization” of “Star Trek” can mean many things.

“Anything goes, as long as it can fit into the ‘Star Trek’ ethos of inspiration, optimism and the general idea that humankind is good,” he said. “So comedy, adult animation, kids’ animation — you name the genre, and there’s probably a ‘Star Trek’ version of it.”

That’s good news to Mr. Kurtzman, who wants to get much weirder with the franchise, which will celebrate its 55th birthday this year. He points to a pitch from Graham Wagner (“Portlandia,” “Silicon Valley”), centered on the character Worf, that he calls “incredibly funny, poignant and touching.”

“If it were up to me only, I would be pushing the boundaries much further than I think most people would want,” he said. “I think we might get there. Marvel has actually proven that you can. But you have to build a certain foundation in order to get there and we’re still building our foundation.”
I have not watched one minute of Kurtzman Trek and have no plans to. Yet he's the future of Paramount+. I was kind of intrigued by the "Marvelization" of Star Trek until I realized it is 2021 and this more likely than not will mean four or five turds floating in the bowl instead of just one.
 
That’s good news to Mr. Kurtzman, who wants to get much weirder with the franchise, which will celebrate its 55th birthday this year. He points to a pitch from Graham Wagner (“Portlandia,” “Silicon Valley”), centered on the character Worf, that he calls “incredibly funny, poignant and touching.”

Yeah, those are the words I think of when I think of Worf.
 
Absolutely amazing that every movie they cite as Kurtzman's experience before getting this gig is "not very good" at best. I know the horse has been beaten to death, but there's no way he didn't get gigs through nepotism. Nothing he's ever worked on is good (with the exception of some stuff like Fringe which was quickly out of his hands) and yet he keeps getting work with high profile IPs. It's completely jarring of that article to go from "here's all the complete shit movies he's made" to unending praise for how adaptable he is and how he's the future of CBS and Star Trek.
 
Absolutely amazing that every movie they cite as Kurtzman's experience before getting this gig is "not very good" at best. I know the horse has been beaten to death, but there's no way he didn't get gigs through nepotism. Nothing he's ever worked on is good (with the exception of some stuff like Fringe which was quickly out of his hands) and yet he keeps getting work with high profile IPs. It's completely jarring of that article to go from "here's all the complete shit movies he's made" to unending praise for how adaptable he is and how he's the future of CBS and Star Trek.
I hate potentially giving credit to Roberto Orci, but Orci might have been the actual writer of all the movies Kurtzman & Orci worked on. He's not a good writer, but he probably did do the actual screenwriting work while Kurtzman sucked dicks and/or obtained blackmail. Note that once their partnership ended, Orci was cancelled--allegedly because he was a difficult director to work with--and Kurtzman was running Secret Hideout and working with Akiva Goldsman.
 
Worf had funny moments, which isn't the same as saying he was "incredibly funny". Of course, the point of the character will fly over these people's heads. We could have a "Capitan Worf" show, but they will only deliver us "Worf the Bro".

That episode really felt like a TOS script that didn't get made at the time.
I checked who was the writer, perhaps expecting it was someone from the old trek. No, it was Melinda M. Snodgrass, also writer of some of the best TNG episodes.

  • "The Measure of a Man" (1989)
  • "Pen Pals" (1989)
  • "Up the Long Ladder" (1989)
  • "The Ensigns of Command" (1989)
  • "The High Ground" (1990)
"The episode was written by Melinda M. Snodgrass. The story was intended to be a commentary about immigration, because she hated the xenophobic attitude she was seeing, the whole "We don't want them because they're the wrong color, don't speak the language, or don't have the right religion." In her opinion "what makes America vibrant is the fact we have all these cultures."

Funny that she chose the Irish from all cultures to make that point.
 
Worf had funny moments, which isn't the same as saying he was "incredibly funny". Of course, the point of the character will fly over these people's heads. We could have a "Capitan Worf" show, but they will only deliver us "Worf the Bro".


I checked who was the writer, perhaps expecting it was someone from the old trek. No, it was Melinda M. Snodgrass, also writer of some of the best TNG episodes.

  • "The Measure of a Man" (1989)
  • "Pen Pals" (1989)
  • "Up the Long Ladder" (1989)
  • "The Ensigns of Command" (1989)
  • "The High Ground" (1990)
"The episode was written by Melinda M. Snodgrass. The story was intended to be a commentary about immigration, because she hated the xenophobic attitude she was seeing, the whole "We don't want them because they're the wrong color, don't speak the language, or don't have the right religion." In her opinion "what makes America vibrant is the fact we have all these cultures."

Funny that she chose the Irish from all cultures to make that point.
Unless that happened in a rewrite.
 
So, I have a feeling that Strange New Worlds might not completely suck.

Granted I'm probably completely wrong, and I've been bamboozled by years of Nu-Trek garbage that I've unfortunately tuned into, and it's all been shit, and I've regretted every minute. But there's one thing that SNW has that DSC and PIC didn't have.

The absense of Kirsten Beyer.

I know I've posted about this before, but I have to reiterate. Kurtzman alone can't account for the fractal levels of shit that is nu-trek.

Kirsten Beyer is responsible for Michael Burnham, the worst Tilly dialogue, and the Icheb episode of Picard. She wrote a bunch of terrible Voyager novels, then became deeply involved in Discovery and Picard. She is the queen bee of shit in the writers room. When rumors leak out about the toxic bullshit of the writers room, I'm certain she's at the center.

She is, to the best of my knowledge, not involved with SNW. So basically, I think, Kurzman aside, SNW is the first piece of nu-trek that has even the most remote chance of being not completely shit.

I'm probably wrong though. It's always disappointing. It's always shit.
 
At one convention I remember Armin & Terry being asked if they could improvise and apparently their performances always had to be "dead letter perfect." Exactly as it was written, no deviation. (Time stamped below.)
In an interview of Bill Mumy, who guest starred on an episode of DS9, he talked about how a script supervisor got up on his ass because he unconsciously changed his scripted line from, "That outta do it" to "Well, that outta do it."

He thought they were playing a practical joke on him.

 
In an interview of Bill Mumy, who guest starred on an episode of DS9, he talked about how a script supervisor got up on his ass because he unconsciously changed his scripted line from, "That outta do it" to "Well, that outta do it."

He thought they were playing a practical joke on him.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nB22jSda0WA:255
That actually seems totally in line with what Shimerman and Farrell said about how DS9 was run at this random con panel that was previously posted here by our good friend Flexo...
At one convention I remember Armin & Terry being asked if they could improvise and apparently their performances always had to be "dead letter perfect." Exactly as it was written, no deviation. (Time stamped below.)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0mDHIRNWy-Q:1437
I guess the DS9 Show-runners really didn't like anybody changing their vision. I think less of them for that.
 
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