Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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At this point if I tune in to a fandom menace channel and if they tell a rumor about someone getting fired soon i'll take it as "they'll receive infinite money and a lifelong position in the company"

This comment from the above mentioned article is worth pointing out though:
Alex Kurtzman has returned Star Trek to its earliest roots: Low rated with a niche cult following.
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Zarael said:
Yeah, that's kind of strange. Star Trek presents the most optimistic vision of a secular humanist future that you could ever hope to have. Humanity comes together as once, disregards all prejudices of race, nation, tribe and religion, abandons the pursuit of wealth and replaces it with an individual pursuit of self excellence, eradicates crime, poverty and every other social ill and travels into the stars to bring their enlightened ways to all the galaxy. Star Trek is a vision of the future if everything that current day secular humanists say should happen, did happen and it's supposed to be a utopian vision of a perfected humanity that has overcome the innate flaws of human nature through social engineering.

It seems bizarre that these people get handed a show where it actually makes perfect sense to show their particular ideology in its most positive light and instead choose to go grimdark and make everyone assholes. The United Federation of Planets is what you want, what you say we should be aiming for as a species why the fuck are you deconstructing it and making the case for the conservatives who say humanity can't be perfected through social policy?

I just don't understand what their goal is. The Federation is supposed to be the exemplar of all that humanity could achieve if we just trusted the science, but instead the new writers decide to have Picard berated about his internalized racism or some shit which completely defeats the whole point of the series. It's probably just a reflection of the original 90s progressives who were hopeless optimists and the current brand of progressives who are extremely jaded and can't resist their temptation to deconstruct even if it's a fantasy world where they get everything they say they've ever wanted.
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What baffles me most is how easy it would have been to do exactly what they want, politcally, in a way that actually idolizes the ideology they want to shill while -at the same time- does not shit on the established setting at all.

Just make a tiny group of "humanity first" fuckers secede from Starfleet and centre your show around that conflict. It'd be way on the nose, but you can't tell me it would be any more on the nose than what we got instead. It would be lame, but it would at least respect the source material.

It does say a lot about these people that when given the opportunity to shill their ideology in the best way possible, that has essentially been laid out to them, they still go down the petty route and shit all over whatever has been established, cause "subverting stuff is like totally genius!"
 
Tasty Tatty said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3BiyH8lENRs
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Better zap it with pain sticks just to be sure.

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Newman's Lovechild said:
What, like The Mummy?
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Fair point.

He has a rep for writing whatever he's told to write and ticking all the boxes, so I see him as a kind of heat magnet or fall guy. Tom Cruise, on the other hand, has a rep for re-writing scripts and directing his own scenes. Kurtzman folded like a lawn chair and let him do what he wanted.
 
JamesFargo said:
Fair point.

He has a rep for writing whatever he's told to write and ticking all the boxes, so I see him as a kind of heat magnet or fall guy. Tom Cruise, on the other hand, has a rep for re-writing scripts and directing his own scenes. Kurtzman folded like a lawn chair and let him do what he wanted.
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The difference being that the vast majority of Tom Cruise's output is watchable and entertaining.
 
Star Trek will never be dead. TOS-ENT is there, and they can drag out the mummies of beloved characters and gangrape them on a table, but they can't make the fans accept it. Or watch it. Or buy merchandise. Or talk about it. Or theorize over it. Or even care anymore. The really sad thing is just coming to the realization that we are at least 20 years away from any actual Star Trek. Kurtzman will continue to vandalize the franchise for the next half decade. P+ will flame out around that time as well. At that point it'll take another 5 years or so for corpo rat heads to start rolling and all the people responsible to be put to pasture. Then figure another 3-5 years of dicking around trying to settle on the right brain trust for the inevitable reboot of the franchise. Another couple years of production. Assuming everything goes perfect we're still not getting any enjoyable Trek until at earliest the late 2030s.

At the end of the day though, 5 years ago TOS-ENT was enough for me. It was enough for all of us. It still is. What could have been definitely hurts, especially considering by the time we get proper Trek, all the actors from golden age Trek will be dead or too old to do anything. So we can forget about things like a proper Sisko resolution (I'm sure in the mean time Kurtz will bring him out to have him leading a BLM riot before passing the baton to the new transgender muslim emissary). But it is what it is at this point.

There will always be 703 episodes of Star Trek to sustain us. No matter what horrors these vermin concoct.
 
White Devil said:
No, because both WCW and WWF had stuff worth watching back then. Now, it's pretty much just the Orville unless you're a masochist.
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It's more like the second Monday Night Wars in 2010 or 2011 where WWF just raped TNA over and over again until TNA switched back to Thursday nights.
 
Never Scored said:
It's more like the second Monday Night Wars in 2010 or 2011 where WWF just raped TNA over and over again until TNA switched back to Thursday nights.
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I had stopped watching wrestling by then, honestly.

I think the Kane/Lita baby storyline is what broke the camels back for me.
 
JamesFargo said:
More power to you. Too many people watch TV shows out of habit.
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After Vince bought WCW, it just got worse and worse. Wasn't really entertaining, the story lines were fucking stupid, and they were dumbing everything down to appease advertisers.

Not to mention I have always hated John Cena.
 
White Devil said:
After Vince bought WCW, it just got worse and worse. Wasn't really entertaining, the story lines were fucking stupid, and they were dumbing everything down to appease advertisers.

Not to mention I have always hated John Cena.
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I completely stopped watching with ECW's last show on TNN. As by that point with no viable competition WWF had no where to go but down the shitter.
 
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The Gagh Whisperer said:
So, I have a feeling that Strange New Worlds might not completely suck.

Granted I'm probably completely wrong, and I've been bamboozled by years of Nu-Trek garbage that I've unfortunately tuned into, and it's all been shit, and I've regretted every minute. But there's one thing that SNW has that DSC and PIC didn't have.

The absense of Kirsten Beyer.

I know I've posted about this before, but I have to reiterate. Kurtzman alone can't account for the fractal levels of shit that is nu-trek.

Kirsten Beyer is responsible for Michael Burnham, the worst Tilly dialogue, and the Icheb episode of Picard. She wrote a bunch of terrible Voyager novels, then became deeply involved in Discovery and Picard. She is the queen bee of shit in the writers room. When rumors leak out about the toxic bullshit of the writers room, I'm certain she's at the center.

She is, to the best of my knowledge, not involved with SNW. So basically, I think, Kurzman aside, SNW is the first piece of nu-trek that has even the most remote chance of being not completely shit.

I'm probably wrong though. It's always disappointing. It's always shit.
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You make an interesting point and now I'm curious about going down the fanfic rabbit hole of Trek novels. (I always preferred Michael Jan Friedman.)
 
Random tangent, but im enjoying Boston legal these days. It's got a decent chunk of star trek actors in main and guest roles.

It was nice enough to give Odo and Quark one last tango.



Andrew Robinson even shared a few scenes with Shatner in season eight of The Practice
 
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