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JamesFargo said:
Leverage had its share of Trek actors. IIRC, Frakes directed some episodes. So you had Armin and his wife Kitty in the same scenes, for starters.
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Nice! what kind of show is it?
 
@L50LasPak
I saw this meme and thought of you instantly


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JamesFargo said:
Leverage had its share of Trek actors. IIRC, Frakes directed some episodes. So you had Armin and his wife Kitty in the same scenes, for starters.
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Jeri Ryan was also a temporary main for like half a season.
 
Flexo said:
You make an interesting point and now I'm curious about going down the fanfic rabbit hole of Trek novels. (I always preferred Michael Jan Friedman.)
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Michael Jan Friedman has written some great books. He's also written one of the worst Trek books ever written (Death in Winter). So it's a bit of a roll of the dice.

Honesstly, to get an idea of modern trek books, the Destiny trilogy gives a pretty perfect introduction and summary of the whole "litverse". And, like, in terms of a trek movie adventure, it's not the worst way to spend a few hours. But the style is very much nu-trek and it's not for me.

If you're a DS9 fan, the Avatar (1&2) books are actually pretty decent. The four "Mission Gamma" books that follow are fucking garbage, and it only gets worse from there.

The Voyager relaunch is similar - the first two Christie Golden books are actually pretty decent. The next two are dogshit.. Then Kirsten Beyer took over, Ichebed everyone, and it's just been violent melodramatic garbage since then.

Honestly, if someone asked me what Trek books to read, I just tell them to read anything published in the '90s for some mild entertainment, and ignore the rest.
 
The Gagh Whisperer said:
The Voyager relaunch is similar - the first two books are actually pretty decent... Then Kirsten Beyer took over, Ichebed everyone, and it's just been violent melodramatic garbage since then.
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When Michael J. Anderson shot his mouth off on Facebook, Lynch showed mercy by turning him into a tree.

With Icheb, you could tell they were taking cues from the "Manu needs to go" Tumblr pages.

Interesting to note: Fans initially welcomed Beyer's hiring. Frakes directed Icheb's death scene.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I hate potentially giving credit to Roberto Orci, but Orci might have been the actual writer of all the movies Kurtzman & Orci worked on. He's not a good writer, but he probably did do the actual screenwriting work while Kurtzman sucked dicks and/or obtained blackmail. Note that once their partnership ended, Orci was cancelled--allegedly because he was a difficult director to work with--and Kurtzman was running Secret Hideout and working with Akiva Goldsman.
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If there's any truth to the rumours about how and why Orci got thrown off of Star Trek Beyond, my guess is that Orci was the one who brought the story ideas and knowledge of Star Trek to the table, while Kurtzman was the one who turned them into something workable. It'd certainly be one explanation as to why Kurtzman has continued working regularly since the duo went their separate ways, while Orci seems to have basically dropped off the face of the earth (aside from a few exec producer credits) after getting fired from Beyond.
 
Were the William Shatner books ever good? I've never actually read any of his novels.
 
White Devil said:
Were the William Shatner books ever good? I've never actually read any of his novels.
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I mean they're better than nuTrek nowadays. Some very fan-servicey stuff but as I said earlier, I liked their explanation for the mirror universe more than the show's.
The Gagh Whisperer said:
Michael Jan Friedman has written some great books. He's also written one of the worst Trek books ever written (Death in Winter). So it's a bit of a roll of the dice.

Honesstly, to get an idea of modern trek books, the Destiny trilogy gives a pretty perfect introduction and summary of the whole "litverse". And, like, in terms of a trek movie adventure, it's not the worst way to spend a few hours. But the style is very much nu-trek and it's not for me.

If you're a DS9 fan, the Avatar (1&2) books are actually pretty decent. The four "Mission Gamma" books that follow are fucking garbage, and it only gets worse from there.

The Voyager relaunch is similar - the first two Christie Golden books are actually pretty decent. The next two are dogshit.. Then Kirsten Beyer took over, Ichebed everyone, and it's just been violent melodramatic garbage since then.

Honestly, if someone asked me what Trek books to read, I just tell them to read anything published in the '90s for some mild entertainment, and ignore the rest.
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Yeah that's when I did most of my reading. Never did read death in winter so thanks for the heads up on avoiding it. I mean no writer is perfect, but it seems like him and Peter David and a few others had more hits than misses.

P.S. if you're high enough on the patreon tiers, SFDEBRIS has been doing audio book readings of the eugenics War and the Garak book, a stitch in time.
 
Just started watching Star Trek: The Next Generation. So far the first season has been pretty good, but I have heard that the second season has some of the worst episodes. Should I just skip the second season or should I only try to find the better rated episodes and skip to them? Or I guess should I man up and just watch the whole thing?
 
Alex Mercer said:
Just started watching Star Trek: The Next Generation. So far the first season has been pretty good, but I have heard that the second season has some of the worst episodes. Should I just skip the second season or should I only try to find the better rated episodes and skip to them? Or I guess should I man up and just watch the whole thing?
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Definitely don't skip the whole season, you'll be missing out on several all-time classics, including the Borg's introductory episode.

The ones to skip are "The Outrageous Okona", "Up the Long Ladder", and especially "Shades of Grey", which is just a clip show. Maybe "The Child" as well, though that does a few things to set up new characters and things that have changed since S1.
 
HarryHowler said:
The ones to skip are "The Outrageous Okona"
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It's almost worth it just for the fayo ponytail. And the dreadful dialogue.

After spending a minute with Okana, Wesley decides that's how he's going to live his life:
RIKER: He's a man who lives his life by his own rules. He does what he does by choice. His choice.
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And who can forget the Transporter Chief who wants to sit on Okana's face?

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Kornula said:
@L50LasPak
I saw this meme and thought of you instantly


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I love the meme, but it also got me thinking about something that always bothered me about the phasers.

Star Trek nerd analysis ahead:

The space between the two phaser beams would only get bigger and bigger the further it shot. At the distances of these combats their phasers wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn. It looks like they tried to address it a little bit in the remaster while still remaining faithful to the original concept. Still, even the remastered beams can't defeat geometry.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
I love the meme, but it also got me thinking about something that always bothered me about the phasers.

Star Trek nerd analysis ahead:

The space between the two phaser beams would only get bigger and bigger the further it shot. At the distances of these combats their phasers wouldn't hit the broad side of a barn. It looks like they tried to address it a little bit in the remaster while still remaining faithful to the original concept. Still, even the remastered beams can't defeat geometry.
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I guess the assumption is since targets are moving, the two-way shot is to help lead the target and if it's close enough, hit it twice.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
I don't care what you say, Okona was the ABSOLUTE male eye candy of TNG. Plot? what's plot? Who cares about plot? Pffff.
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The man who nailed Terri Hatcher and Jennifer Connelly in their prime? Damn straight.
 
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