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I think SC1 is massively overrated and fans are too nostalgic about their childhood to criticize it properly. Metzen admits in interviews that they made it up as they went with no greater plan. It shows
Nah, I've played SC1 again recently. As I said, the story is fine. It's not mindblowing, but it gets the worldbuilding and the conflict across well enough and the characters are fun. It's a grimy Saturday Morning Cartoon or a late 80s comicbook, not Game of Thrones.
 
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Nah, I've played SC1 again recently. As I said, the story is fine. It's not mindblowing, but it gets the worldbuilding and the conflict across well enough and the characters are fun. It's a grimy Saturday Morning Cartoon or a late 80s comicbook, not Game of Thrones.
I’m not looking for GoT. I’m looking for something at least as competent as the Westwood RTSes. SC’s writing is somehow worse.

Among other things, it ruined the zerg the same way that Trek ruined the Borg. Only worse because it does everything that First Contact, Voyager, and ST: Picard did in their first appearance rather than waiting to develop them before the decay sets in.

SC1 is trash that wastes its own premise and has shitty worldbuilding (most of which is in the manual that nobody read and which is contradicted in the game itself). The fans let it slide because of nostalgia.
 
SC1 is trash that wastes its own premise and has shitty worldbuilding (most of which is in the manual that nobody read and which is contradicted in the game itself). The fans let it slide because of nostalgia.
I don't know about the manual but I think the in game story is fine and I like the concept of Mengsk as well as the Dominion and Confederacy. I still remember the mission where you save Duke as he's a surprisingly memorable character despite not being that deep. So sure, it's a more basic story that might have been thrown together, but it was still enjoyable.
 
I don't know about the manual but I think the in game story is fine and I like the concept of Mengsk as well as the Dominion and Confederacy. I still remember the mission where you save Duke as he's a surprisingly memorable character despite not being that deep. So sure, it's a more basic story that might have been thrown together, but it was still enjoyable.
"You can't trust him! He's a snake!"
"Yes, but he's our snake, Jim."

Two lines that say a lot in few words.
Nah, I've played SC1 again recently. As I said, the story is fine. It's not mindblowing, but it gets the worldbuilding and the conflict across well enough and the characters are fun. It's a grimy Saturday Morning Cartoon or a late 80s comicbook, not Game of Thrones.
Christ, is SC1 80's as hell. The B&W art in the manual could practically be dropped into Rifts its such a perfect fit for that time's creative zeitgeist.
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Its like a Hive ganger turned Astartes spent too much time in the Chi-Town 'Burbs.
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Christ, is SC1 80's as hell. The B&W art in the manual could practically be dropped into Rifts its such a perfect fit for that time's creative zeitgeist.
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Its like a Hive ganger turned Astartes spent too much time in the Chi-Town 'Burbs.
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Oh, yeah. Both Samwise and Metzen had very 80s styles. Metzen sort of stopped drawing, but Samwise Didier's art still carries a strong whiff of that comicbook style.

That's why I'm not really bothered by Metzen saying they just made the whole thing up as they went along. Rogue Trader, the original incarnation of 40K, did the same fucking thing and it was amazing. Down to Space Marines being... well, basically juiced up Terran Marines. I mean, look at this shit:

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Nothing wrong with improvisation and humor if the final result is entertaining. My beef is when they try to pretend their 80s cartoon story is supposed to be "deep" and "epic", even though they don't have the writing chops to write anything but 80s cartoons.
 
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"You can't trust him! He's a snake!"
"Yes, but he's our snake, Jim."

Two lines that say a lot in few words.
Remember how WoW had the whole controversy of Garrosh calling Sylvanas a bitch? I'm pretty sure they referred to Kerrigan as a bitch more than once in the original SC, did they leave that in or was it removed in the remaster?
 
I don't know about the manual but I think the in game story is fine and I like the concept of Mengsk as well as the Dominion and Confederacy. I still remember the mission where you save Duke as he's a surprisingly memorable character despite not being that deep. So sure, it's a more basic story that might have been thrown together, but it was still enjoyable.
You should read the manual. It paints the setting in a more interesting way and implies a completely different course of events. It was clearly written by a different writer. http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/misc/StarCraft.PDF

The OG story might be just okay as a standalone, but trying to do sequels wrecked it. The Overmind was hands down the best villain they could ever have and Blizz shot themselves in the foot by killing it off in the first game. Same for the Confederacy/UED and Conclave.

As I have said, it would make much more sense to have the overarching story be a war between the UED, Overmind, and Conclave. Individual campaigns can be character-driven standalone stories.
 
SC lore and plot has undergone numerous revisions and retcons. For example, the earliest previews such as the first teaser trailer on the WC2 CD and the website at the time explain that the terrans are a collapsed empire who are engaged in a cold war with the protoss until the zerg invade. In the manual, Koprulu is a lost prison colony composed of the survivors of a nazi takeover of Earth. According to the original BW website, the Dominion was going to enter a civil war as a conspiracy worked to overthrow Mengsk. In the BW game/manual, we are instead introduced to the UED, a new non-nazi government of Earth that was created by a retcon. Etc.

To recap, what follows are my thoughts on how the SC story should have gone (including a recap of the backstory that wasn't included in the game):

In the beginning, there was an ancient civilization known as the xel'naga. They ruled the milky way for millions of years and experimented on its inhabitants as part of a plan to create the ultimate lifeform. The first successful experiment was the protoss, natives of the planet Aiur in the galactic rim, who exhibited a quality named "purity of form." This meant they had great psionic potential, enough that they might evolve beyond the constraints of physicality. These protoss had an instinctive telepathy that let them exchange thoughts and feelings, the ultimate empathy. This let them rapidly build a global civilization out of what were originally scattered tribes. The xel'naga felt the time was right and revealed themselves to their charges, whereupon they were worshiped as gods and in turn tutored the protoss. With this help, the protoss build a glorious galactic civilization united by their empathy network, the Khala. In time, they grew decadent and fell prey to misplaced nationalism. The tribes withdrew from the khala and turned their gazes inward. The xel'naga were disappointed, labeled the protoss a failure, and prepared to leave for a new experiment. The protoss got wind of this and attacked the xel'naga. While many xel'naga died to their former worshipers, most survived and fled into the void of space. Shocked, the protoss tribes turned on one another and fought a vicious galactic war that came to be named the Aeon of Strife. Ultimately, they were reduced to stone age primitives and space pirates.

Meanwhile, the xel'naga traveled to the ash world Zerus in the galactic core. There they experimented on primitive telepathic insectoids named zerg, characterized by "purity of essence," a drive to evolve. Originally tiny insignificant burrowing worms, after the xel'naga tampered with their evolution they grew larger and stronger. Unprompted, they became parasites that took over the larger organisms of their planet, and over generations genetically modified their hosts into vicious killing machines. Worried that the zerg would be ruined by individual egos like the protoss, the xel'naga modified their telepathy so that the zerg thought as one and furthermore programmed this single ego to obey the xel'naga. This gestalt consciousness became the Overmind, and it created subsidiary intelligences to carry out its will more efficiently. Eventually the zerg consumed all life on Zerus, and turned their attention to space. They transmitted a telepathic message to lure new species to Zerus in order to leave. This attracted some nearby space whales, who were assimilated. Now the zerg could expand into orbit and eventually the galaxy.

The xel'naga were overjoyed with the success of the zerg. Until the zerg suddenly attacked them. The zerg no longer obeyed, had evolved beyond the control of their creators. The zerg slaughtered the xel'naga and consumed their knowledge of the galaxy and genetic sciences. The zerg swarms spread out across the galaxy, consuming everything in their path. Only one thing prevented them from achieving total domination: the protoss.

While the xel'naga had been busy experimenting on the zerg and then gotten themselves eaten, the protoss eventually came out of the aeon of strife. A prophet named Khas rediscovered the Khala and built a religion around it to protect the protoss from themselves and to master their abilities. The protoss rebuilt their interstellar empire and rejoined the disparate tribes. They made alliances with other spacefaring species, secretly watched over less advanced civilizations, and dealt with xenomorphic threats to galactic peace. But some tribes refused to join the Khala and after bloody conflict were exiled into the darkest depths of deep space, where they were forced to develop new sciences to protect themselves. While still nowhere near their height under xel'naga tutelage, they were the most advanced civilization in the galaxy and were more than capable of destroying the zerg.

The zerg watched the protoss for centuries with living probes and telescopes. They knew exactly where the protoss homeworld was located, but they couldn't risk attacking in their weaker state. So they scoured the galaxy for another species with uncultivated purity of form that they could take for themselves and use to destroy the protoss. When they were close to despairing of ever finding such a species, they finally did: humanity.

Centered on their homeworld of Earth, humanity was a warlike species that had spread to countless worlds. They were destructive and left ecologically devastated worlds in their wake as they sought to feed their endless hunger for resources. The protoss knew of them, but considered them unworthy of interactions at the present time; though that could change as the terrans expanded into protoss space. The zerg sent scouting broods into terran space to study them and prepare them for assimilation. The terrans were a fairy advanced species, but nowhere near the protoss, so the zerg believed they would present little threat and could be easily consumed before moving on to the unsuspecting protoss empire.

Unfortunately, even the best plans fall apart. The terrans discovered the zerg and, depending on the proclivities of colony in question, attacked them or experimented on them. The zerg were forced to attack before they were ready, throwing the terran worlds into discord and chaos. Things grew more complicated when the protoss discovered the zerg presence and sent fleets to scour the infestation. Numerous terran colonies and their inhabitants were incinerated, provoking the terran governments to launch a counterattack against the protoss fleets and counterinvasions of protoss space. Some protoss were horrified by the loss of terran lives and tried to stop them fellows from arbitrarily exterminating humanity. It was a clusterfuck.

It's impossible to convey the full extent of the conflict without writing millions of books on it, so I'll limit the focus here to the events in just one sector: Koprulu. It is not a unique or special sector, but one of many caught in the conflict. Events here don't decide the fate of the universe.

Koprulu is a war-torn sector in which the local polities the Confederacy, the Umojans, and the Kel-Morians fought for domination. After the KMC lost the Guild Wars and was absorbed into the Confederacy, the Umojan Protectorate was forced to act covertly by secretly funding the Sons of Korhal resistance movement. Then things changed when the zerg and protoss attacked. To Koprulu's complete surprise, a UED warfleet led by Admiral Gerard DuGalle arrived and instituted martial law. When the Confederacy leaders on Tarsonis inexplicably refused to help the UED deal with the aliens, DuGalle had them all summarily executed for treason and took control of the Confederacy.

Although the Kel-Morians and Umojans were ecstatic and threw parades, the SoK were angry and bitter that the UED didn't step in over a decade earlier when Korhal was nuked for revolting. So their leader Arcturus Mengsk secretly worked to destroy the UED efforts by using zerg terrorism. According to secret Confederate research he had stolen, the zerg would be attracted by psi-emitters over interstellar distances. So Arcturus Mengsk set up psi-emitters in various strategic locations and set them off. To his shock, the zerg took no notice of the emitters, almost as though they knew these were decoys. These beacons did, however, attract protoss scouts. Mengsk found himself being hailed by a mysterious protoss individual identifying itself as Ulrezaj...

I'll stop there. There's a bazillion other ways to do it. Truthfully, I'm not interested in the canon characters and would prefer to expand the universe a lot more.
 
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Oh, yeah. Both Samwise and Metzen had very 80s styles. Metzen sort of stopped drawing, but Samwise Didier's art still carries a strong whiff of that comicbook style.

That's why I'm not really bothered by Metzen saying they just made the whole thing up as they went along. Rogue Trader, the original incarnation of 40K, did the same fucking thing and it was amazing. Down to Space Marines being... well, basically juiced up Terran Marines. I mean, look at this shit:

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Nothing wrong with improvisation and humor if the final result is entertaining. My beef is when they try to pretend their 80s cartoon story is supposed to be "deep" and "epic", even though they don't have the writing chops to write anything but 80s cartoons.
We're not disagreeing at all. The two men had talent back then, and they improvised up a damn fun story. Doesn't need to be deep to be engaging and enjoyable.
Remember how WoW had the whole controversy of Garrosh calling Sylvanas a bitch? I'm pretty sure they referred to Kerrigan as a bitch more than once in the original SC, did they leave that in or was it removed in the remaster?
Don't forget Kerrigan calling Raynor a pig when they first meet thanks to her reading his thoughts and he doesn't immediately repent and beg for forgiveness. Can't have the male gaze happen, like at all anymore.
 
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Don't forget Kerrigan calling Raynor a pig when they first meet thanks to her reading his thoughts and he doesn't immediately repent and beg for forgiveness. Can't have the male gaze happen, like at all anymore.
The sad thing is that exchange makes her a way stronger female character than anything they've written recently.
 
The sad thing is that exchange makes her a way stronger female character than anything they've written recently.
What, you mean actual adversity?

God, you all are just making me want to re-read Liberty's Crusade again.
 
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Remember how WoW had the whole controversy of Garrosh calling Sylvanas a bitch? I'm pretty sure they referred to Kerrigan as a bitch more than once in the original SC, did they leave that in or was it removed in the remaster?
Voice lines are all intact, she still refers to herself as Queen Bitch of the Universe.
 
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Voice lines are all intact, she still refers to herself as Queen Bitch of the Universe.
That's the one that comes to mind first but I do remember Raynor also calling her a bitch at one point, I think after she kills Fenix and he swears to murder her.
 
That's the one that comes to mind first but I do remember Raynor also calling her a bitch at one point, I think after she kills Fenix and he swears to murder her.
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I don't know about being called a bitch, but here's everything wrong with SC2 in a single panel. And yes, Kerrigan's response to Raynor at the end of Brood War is when she declares herself Queen Bitch of the Universe.
 
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I don't know about being called a bitch, but here's everything wrong with SC2 in a single panel. And yes, Kerrigan's response to Raynor at the end of Brood War is when she declares herself Queen Bitch of the Universe.
I looked it up, apparently I was thinking of the right mission but the wrong character, it was Mengsk after she kills Duke because apparently Mengsk as much of a snake as he was he did care about Duke but mostly he was pissed she wasn't returning him to power as promised:

Arcturus Mengsk : Kerrigan, you murdering bitch! We had a deal.

Kerrigan : Oh, come on, Arcturus. Did you really think that I would allow you to come into power again? You practically fed me to Zerg on Tarsonis, you're directly responsible for the hell I've been through. Did you honestly think that I would let you get away with that?

Arcturus Mengsk : But you said revenge was secondary to defeating the UED!

Kerrigan : I lied. I Liberated this planet because it was the UED's primary staging point, not because I was under any obligation to you. I used you to destroy the Psi Disrupter and now that I've got my broods back, you're no longer necessary for my plans. I think I'll leave you here, Arcturus, among the ashes of your precious Dominion. I want you to live to see me rise to power and I want you to always remember, in your most private moments, that it was you who let me loose in the first place

Really I liked Mengsk, he was a shithead but he was a good character and I remember loving the speech he gave at the end of the Terran campaign as a kid as it was my first exposure to something of that nature.

Edit: Also reading this now really makes her whole rage revenge against Mengsk in SC2 all the worse as she pretty much got it in SC:BW
 
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The sad thing is that exchange makes her a way stronger female character than anything they've written recently.
That’s a low bar to be sure. She got fridged at the end of the terran campaign and they only decided to resurrect her as a generically evil succubus in the zerg campaign later on in development. Unused voice lines suggest, at one point in development, Zeratul would have killed her a final time in the protoss campaign.

I don’t find any of that a respectful use of her character, especially as the only female character. (Madame Raz similarly gets fridged in the expansion, but I digress.)
 
Starcraft Brood War was turbo infected by latinos and shithead south americans after 2017 when it went free to play, as all free to play games do. Either they are on your team and it's a 2v3 or 1v3 and is now an impossible game, or if they are on the other team you don't really feel like it was a real game. Latinos infect every game that goes free to play, but for Starcraft or any RTS it's a game breaker. In a shooter game you can get by if there's one idiot on your team of 10 because you can possibly shoot a few of them at once if you get lucky or use strategy. In Starcraft if you are down one player you are dead in the water from the word go.

You have literally no choice but to host the game yourself and ban latinos or else you aren't getting a good game. You can identify them by their spic names, obviously they speak spanish, they also like to use "xd" as all lowercase. They also like to put their country name at the end which is an easy tell, like JuanPERU or JuanBRAZIL. They almost always go Protoss because all they know how to do is cheese strategies like cannon rush and zealot rush because it's the easiest way how to get a lot of wins without learning how to play, after that they just sit there. Of course there are easy counters for every race for those shit strategies but they don't care, the second they see it not working they just quit and join another game to try it on. They end up having a turbo shit win record like only winning 5% of the time, but they don't care they just focus on the little random chance victories they get for their little high. Starcraft Brood War is perhaps the most competitive game ever made, you can spend a week to get good and survive against most players but dump a shitload of spics into the mix who only go shitty noob cheese strategies and it's dead.

Starcraft used to cost $10 at Walmart which was the perfect filter to keep poor third worlders out. Now it's just smelly latinos who want cheap thrills by cheesing and it's virtually unplayable. Blizzard could make a South America server but, even if they did, from experience on other games that did the same thing, Latinos are little tough guys and choose to join American servers so it wouldn't help. They'd have to force players to stick to their portal, which they won't do as they already made one for Korea and you aren't forced into staying there nor staying out if you are not from there.

You can say whatever you want about the campaign, nobody really cares. What everyone cares about is the 10 years they spent making multiplayer balanced and fun, and that it is an old game and doesn't revolve around microtransactions or buying your way into winning. There is nothing wrong with being a noob even if you spend years to get good. There is everything wrong with knowing 1% of a competitive game, talking shit before during and after the game, only knowing one shitty noob strategy, hurling insults when it doesn't work, going 1-300 ratio, and literally turning every game you ever played into a 2v3 and making it unwinnable for your teammates.
 
"Carrier Has Arrived"

(I thought that black stuff on the side was dirt on my screen.)
 

So that carbot guy is selling an overlord pushie with a butthole. Sad to see yet another decent channel go down the lolcow route.
.....he tries to downplay it, but you just know that he KNOWES, what people will do with that orifice.....like, i don't know, 10 years ago, i would just mark it as some raunchy, sleazy humor, nowadays, i can't say if he is just being facetious or if he's another crypto furry-pedo faggot....
 
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