State governors using prisoners to build private/personal armies

Luckily the resurgence of professional militaries since the 16th-17th centuries has made this kind of bullshit obsolete. It would be a massacre like Watling Street, except with modern weapons.
 
What I have a problem with is prisoner firefighters. If you need prisoners to deal with that shit, you need a bigger and better fire department. Prison work details are for picking up In-N-Out wrappers by the freeway, not as the first line of defense against statewide natural disasters.
 
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What I have a problem with is prisoner firefighters. If you need prisoners to deal with that shit, you need a bigger and better fire department. Prison work details are for picking up In-N-Out wrappers by the freeway, not as the first line of defense against statewide natural disasters.
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You misunderstand, like a retard, because you don't known what you're talking about.

Prisons are massive compounds, cities unto themselves. They have their own medical, dental, radiology, electricians, plumbers, construction, and yes, fire fighting. Why pay people $80k a year to do those jobs when you can make inmates do it AND they learn valuable marketable skills in the process, which reduces recidivism rates? If you're facing massive wildfires and you happen to have thousands of inmate firefighters sitting around why would you not use them? That is extremely irresponsible.

They aren't "first line of defense" they are "scraping the bottom of the barrel."
 
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You misunderstand, like a retard, because you don't known what you're talking about.

Prisons are massive compounds, cities unto themselves. They have their own medical, dental, radiology, electricians, plumbers, construction, and yes, fire fighting. Why pay people $80k a year to do those jobs when you can make inmates do it AND they learn valuable marketable skills in the process, which reduces recidivism rates? If you're facing massive wildfires and you happen to have thousands of inmate firefighters sitting around why would you not use them? That is extremely irresponsible.

They aren't "first line of defense" they are "scraping the bottom of the barrel."
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Look at California. Have these 80 IQ cholos and groids been effective? Yes, it's cheaper, but like any cost-cutting measures it comes at a price. Would you trust some semi-literate homosexual rapist who carries a sharpened toothbrush in his asshole to save you and your family if your house was burning down?

Our prison population is bloated and a massive burden on the state. Rehabilitation and education have largely been failures - people come out worse than they came in. Unlike liberal faggots who propose decriminalizing damn near everything to solve this problem, I think rape, murder, and drug dealing should all be capital offenses, as should membership in a prison gang.
 
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Look at California. Have these 80 IQ cholos and groids been effective? Yes, it's cheaper, but like any cost-cutting measures it comes at a price. Would you trust some semi-literate homosexual rapist who carries a sharpened toothbrush in his asshole to save you and your family if your house was burning down?

Our prison population is bloated and a massive burden on the state. Rehabilitation and education have largely been failures. Unlike libs who propose decriminalizing damn near everything, I think rape, murder, and drug dealing should all be capital offenses - and that's just a start.
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That doesn't work. Draconian legal systems leads to systemic corruption. Do you know what the penalty for corruption is in China? Summary execution by firing squad. Saudi Arabia? Beheading. Draconian systems have always led to an inherently corrupt system that punishes only those politically allowable.

The US doesn't really do rehabilitation. It's barely better than the old British legal system of "warehousing." The Scandinavian system is significantly more effective because they actually try to rehab.

Also the inmate firefighters out there are low security, they aren't child rapists. Again, you're just showing your ignorance.
 
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This subject is retarded, but I'll bite.

First of all, the force envisioned by OP wouldn't necessarily be regarded as a "private army."

States are Constitutionally entitled to raise and main militias separate from the national chain of command (e.g. forces that are not the National Guard). 32 U.S.C. § 109(c) also provides for this. Some states have "State Defense Forces." A few even have "naval militia." Most of these forces are token and unarmed. They usually help out in natural disasters and the like, but could theoretically respond to civil unrest or an invasion of the state.

What would happen if a Governor were batshit insane and tried to LARP as Alexander the Great?

Most likely, and in the finest tradion of KF, they'd tell him to fuck off and kill himself. Like... this is a retarded idea. Why is this even?

Failing that, soon after this force tried to "invade" another state, they'd be crushed by the professional Army that is under the President's command. Perhaps even just the National Guard forces that belong to the "invaded" state. State militias can only be deployed within the state they were raised. This scenario is illegal for that reason alone. It is even more illegal given that it's both rebellion and treason.

Using prisoners is also the stupidest idea ever, and I doubt you could form a cohesive or effective fighting force of any appreciable size from that population.

I hope this is helpful. Please envision a less retarded scenario next time.
 
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That doesn't work. Draconian legal systems leads to systemic corruption. Do you know what the penalty for corruption is in China? Summary execution by firing squad. Saudi Arabia? Beheading. Draconian systems have always led to an inherently corrupt system that punishes only those politically allowable.

The US doesn't really do rehabilitation. It's barely better than the old British legal system of "warehousing." The Scandinavian system is significantly more effective because they actually try to rehab.

Also the inmate firefighters out there are low security, they aren't child rapists. Again, you're just showing your ignorance.
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They kill drug dealers in Singapore and that society works just fine. Ask an inhabitant of the no-go zones in Malmo how the Scandi approach to criminal justice is working out.

Btw I meant some might be prison rapists who raped other men in prison, not that they were child rapists. I using hyperbole to communicate how unbalanced and unsuited to the job a prison firefighter might be compared to a professional due to being a hardened criminal.

The real question is: Are the inmate firefighters effective? I don't give a shit about how it helps Tyrone's job prospects when everyone else is on the line. Let them do vocational training that doesn't risk lives in the process.

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Using prisoners...I doubt you could form a cohesive or effective fighting force of any appreciable size from that population.
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Apply this to fighting fires and it's exactly my concern.
 
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They kill drug dealers in Singapore and that society works just fine. Ask an inhabitant of the no-go zones in Malmo how the Scandi approach to criminal justice is working out.

Btw I meant some might be prison rapists who raped other men in prison, not that they were child rapists. I using hyperbole to communicate how unbalanced and unsuited to the job a prison firefighter might be compared to a professional.

The real question is: Are the inmate firefighters effective? I don't give a shit about how it helps Tyrone's job prospects when everyone else is on the line. Let them do vocational training that doesn't risk lives in the process.
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Prison rape is pretty rare. I know there's the bullshit study that shows "1 in X men in prison..." but that was before the PREA went into effect, which is remarkably effective.

The collapse of Scandinavia has nothing to do with the prison system and everything to do with street level enforcement and the lack of political will to solve criminal issues. The actual prison system works remarkably well. You SHOULD care about their job prospects because if they can make a living without slinging dope they are less likely to return to a life of crime. There's immense data on this.

Also Singapore is pretty fucking corrupt. It is an authoritarian shithole for anyone that doesn't tow the party line.

And yes, the inmate firefighters are effective. They are especially effective when you compare them to just not having firefighters.
 
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Apply this to fighting fires and it's exactly my concern.
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If you're talking about states, like California, that use inmate firefighters to battle wildfires there's a few things you should know:

1. They volunteer for it.
2. They are screened pretty rigorously, and can be tossed back into the clink if they don't cut it.
3. The program is very small relative to California's total (massive) prison population. Like under 2000 inmates.

That gives you like, two battalions, to invade Nevada or Oregon. It ain't gonna work. This is dumb. Lower the standards and you lower the quality of the force. Robert McNamara learned that lesson. Google "McNamara's Morons."
 
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This only worked during the Russian Civil War because the Czarist government was arresting communists. There wasn't that many of them actually in jail.

The US arrests socially conservative people and crazy people with esoteric beliefs.
 
No governor would be that stupid. I am pretty sure that'd be considered treason as well.

An army of untrained, undisciplined people who you won't be able to trust would not do any good. And even if you could trust and train them, the US military would obliterate them easily. Although the prisoners vs anti or prisoners vs proud boys would be pretty damn hilarious
 
I don't see ANY problems with giving career criminals, violent felons, rapists and pedophiles fully automatic weapons and armored vehicles. No siree bob. Should work out fine.
 
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