State of the Union 2022

Do you know when the next merchandise run will be? I've missed out before since I didn't have much money to spare but I'm now in a better position to support myself and I do want to give more back to the farms since it's done a lot for me when I've been in a very dark place.

Thanks Null, I guess enjoy Christmas on the 7th where you are hey?
 
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I would also like to note that using specific key words or talking too much about certain things may lead back to you, Doesn't just go for the Oversharing thing mentioned but using specific words in sentences here like you would elsewhere. Someone determined can match some of the things you say back to an off site account and match the contents of both, Or if they follow or tag someone they know often. This may fall under the Behavior category but still wanted to bring it up.

There is also using the same avatar on another website or not cropping your images, Some have made these mistakes before and didn't think about reverse image search.


As for masking your IP address, I know many can't afford NordVPN or something else but if you can't, Never use Freeproxy, these break very easily and will reveal your IP any time.
 
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Null said:
The separation between A&H and the rest of the site is very concerning but it's less bad than it used to be, but I'm not sure if that's because they mind their own business or if it's because they've successfully alienated everyone who has complained.
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I just don't see how it hurts anyone. Yeah, people were autistically sperging about negratings; I get that that was annoying, but I like to think you've got thicker skin than that. There's gotta be something I'm not seeing here, because to me it just looks like discussions about the news with liberal usage of gamer words and people taking the bait whenever Dyn decides to drop in.

Luv me lolcows.
Luv me A&H.
Luv me stickers.
Simple as, m8.

Happy new year and thanks for everything!
 
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Null said:
The separation between A&H and the rest of the site is very concerning but it's less bad than it used to be, but I'm not sure if that's because they mind their own business or if it's because they've successfully alienated everyone who has complained.
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I am sad to see that A&H is giving you grief cause I absolutely love that there is a place to get unfiltered news and have a conversation about it without jannies molding/banning the conversation.

In your mind if is worth it to try to grow the various other sub forums like Games/Health and Fitness/etc?
 
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Back me up! said:
In your mind if is worth it to try to grow the various other sub forums like Games/Health and Fitness/etc?
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You have to look at growth as what encourages it. We're a very simple webforum and the only reason to post here is that we have topics that are usually banned. 4chan bans "e-celeb" discussion to the point where /v/ cracked down hard on the fucking Chris drama this year, which is stunning to me.

A&H grows because the people who post there are unwelcome anywhere else but it has nothing to do with lolcows which is why it's basically its own community and why when those users participate in other threads there's friction.

So how do you 'try to grow' the food board? why forbidden foods do we talk about? It's just a place for active users elsewhere to talk about food.
 
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Kiwifarms has a culture problem. One of the more salient ones is that moderation philosophy largely remains a holdover from pre-nightmare PVCC. Accountability is a lovely sentiment that I appreciate our mods espousing, but with KF's present structure, it's toothless. That's more than a little problem on a forum this large and unwieldy, where personal relationships can only guarantee so much. So, I want to workshop ideas on how to address this issue and make peers of the mods once more. Some of them come from experiences on other (sometimes ancient boards), others are more improvisational:

  1. Sanction board: per-user thread that collates their history of warnings, bans, why, and the reasoning behind extensions. Don't obfuscate behind a shell account.
  2. Formal ban appeals: to be attended to not by the mod that instituted the ban, particularly when considering long or permanent bans, as a hedge against cronyism, over-reaction, or plain error. Include appeals to the sanction board.
  3. Mod nominations: you want better coverage of the forum's corners, more diverse voices, and a less adversarial relationship? Here's a way how. Nominate on a regular cycle such that existing mods can also feel free to step down without shortchanging anyone.
  4. Mod recalls: because, let's be honest. Sometimes we get some stinkers and that's just mundane reality when it comes to running a place like this. Make nominations for recall anonymous through a bot akin to the Giftbot, and set a percentile threshold to carry the recall or not.
  5. No blanket staff posts: Append each name individually to an advisory post, not in aggregate. If you want to be regarded as like us, post like us instead of erecting a procedural wall of perfect mod unity (it mostly serves to stifle discussion and cement the perspective that you're not our peers).
  6. Forget moderation of console warring/port begging/store warz that falls below the point of personal attacks. It's all trivial consumerist faff and coming down on it so hard is a solution in search of a problem. It's busywork, not valuable work.
  7. Shed the 4chan vestiges: seriously, so much of this crud is just hanging on because of simple inertia. Do we need member castes? Do we need four canonical subforums?
  8. No more heavy-handed, "This is the last word on that, the united, formless, shapeless, and undivided mod mass decrees it" tosh. Discussions taper off and end. Don't throw weight around just to have the last word.
  9. More openness: discussion of the site's culture, future, and problems can't solely remain the prerogative of the mod team. Open discussion is the only reasonable way to make things better, work conciliation, and invest the entire forum in better outcomes.
  10. Proportion: accusations of bigotry can't be simply played off with stonewalling and blanket accusations of a criminal offense committed by the sanctioned member. It's irresponsible, it's insulting, and perfectly underlines the cultural problem that is driving people away and embittering members against a mod team that increasingly looks out of touch and out of hand.
  11. Conciliation: full and open discussions of crises like this one, including giving the accused and their witnesses the chance to speak for and defend themselves, and full ownership of mistakes, blind-spots, failings (both on the account of the mods and the accused). The social expectation to cop to fuckups should be expected of mods too, and not just as something that is nice to have when it happens.
So, these are just a few things that I've been thinking on, and I'd like to talk about where we go from here. Openly. Because it's overdue.
 
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PeeveTheSheev said:
The Farms have quickly become my favourite site since growing a pair and swapping out lurking for actively posting a few years ago.

Godspeed to Josh and everyone else in 2022. Stay exceptional out there.
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Same, I'm getting old and at this point don't have any normie social media and really have no interest in it. My online activities at this point are limited to reading about internet weirdos on here and watching a small handful of people on youtube. Wish all the best to Josh and the forum, I'd be pretty upset if it folded.

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why forbidden foods do we talk about?
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pineapple pizza

On a serious note, you are probably right, I browse/post in a couple of off topic boards regularly but I'm not sure its a growth area for the site. I mostly go there while I'm waiting for Ralph to do something stupid or Jack Scalfani to release a new abomination.
 
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thisighuf said:
I would also like to note that using specific key words or talking too much about certain things may lead back to you, Doesn't just go for the Oversharing thing mentioned but using specific words in sentences here like you would elsewhere. Someone determined can match some of the things you say back to an off site account and match the contents of both, Or if they follow or tag someone they know often. This may fall under the Behavior category but still wanted to bring it up.

There is also using the same avatar on another website or not cropping your images, Some have made these mistakes before and didn't think about reverse image search.


As for masking your IP address, I know many can't afford NordVPN or something else but if you can't, Never use Freeproxy, these break very easily and will reveal your IP any ti
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Somewhere Zed is salivating while reading this
Happy New Year!
 
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Democratic moderation is a tranny invented cancer. I pick mods who can do the job.

If there was some huge issue between mods and users I'd be more concerned with that but there really isn't. Moderation complaints are extremely rare and I almost always side with the mods. I think in the entire year of 2021 the only override I did on a staff member was in the vaccine thread.

I just wish the mod board had more active discussion, and I wish mods would tell me before they disappear, but that goes two ways. Most things that happen are just me doing things. Do you think I told anyone I was making this post before I made it? No. Not a single moderator knew I was going to start this thread and nobody looked at it except me.

Also, I'd much rather have 4chan style anonymous moderation than Discord style mod elections and gay shit like that.
 
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Yellow Yam Scam said:
  1. Sanction board: per-user thread that collates their history of warnings, bans, why, and the reasoning behind extensions. Don't obfuscate behind a shell account.
  2. Formal ban appeals: to be attended to not by the mod that instituted the ban, particularly when considering long or permanent bans, as a hedge against cronyism, over-reaction, or plain error. Include appeals to the sanction board.
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Null wants the general user base to stay anonymous. And he doesn't care if you use VPNs or Burner emails alter ego emails he repeatedly asks you to do so.

If you get banned Kiwifarms just make a new account but this time don't be a fucking asshole. You're acting like this needs to be moderated like goddam Wikipedia editor autism.
 
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