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Vista working properly was a good OS (Windows 7). 7 was King. Like Why do you care so much to tear down a successful OS and Defend a Mediocre one? It is fucking weird.
Steam dropping Windows 7 and Windows 8 Support in 2024 - because of course a game platform is locked to one shitty web browser
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they stop service with an entire OS and half your customers are gone and your sales plummet.
this is part of why nintendo made consoles. gamecube is still gamecube even if chrome and firefox explode.
if win7 is getting increasingly more hacked to cause this maneuver, what will they fucking do when no options are left?
they already leave kiwi farms to fend for itself for every DDOS attack and allow businesses to be emotionally threatened into shutting down services.
so what will the game designer do, make their own website seems to be the best option now, despite that it's caused information leaks in the past.
i really don't think i can change everything to a console this late in the game loololol. they fucking set this shit up, this is the mozart classic of business maneuvers.
make everyone go for your deals and then everyone is under one brother bear. just like amazon.
CONSOLIDATEEEEE CONSOLIDATEEEEE
this is part of why nintendo made consoles. gamecube is still gamecube even if chrome and firefox explode.
if win7 is getting increasingly more hacked to cause this maneuver, what will they fucking do when no options are left?
they already leave kiwi farms to fend for itself for every DDOS attack and allow businesses to be emotionally threatened into shutting down services.
so what will the game designer do, make their own website seems to be the best option now, despite that it's caused information leaks in the past.
i really don't think i can change everything to a console this late in the game loololol. they fucking set this shit up, this is the mozart classic of business maneuvers.
make everyone go for your deals and then everyone is under one brother bear. just like amazon.
CONSOLIDATEEEEE CONSOLIDATEEEEE
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The big difference is that Steam doesn't force you to pay again for the games you already had on a previous platform.
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At least this is easy enough to get around for now, with the aforementioned SSD along with OpenCore such as the Late 2011 MBP running Monterey that I'm posting from rn. Ofc this isn't really a long-term solution, as Apple only guarantee new versions of MacOS for 3 years after a model is withdrawn from sale.
Given that Apple stopped selling Intel-based Macs in 2020, this would suggest that MacOS 14 will be the last Intel version (assuming it's released around October/November this year). With each version of MacOS getting 3 years worth of updates, the last of the Intel Macs will probably be EOL by the end of 2026.
Having said all this, used M1 Macs should be relatively cheap in a few years, so maybe it's not a big deal.
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Compatibility sucks ass for a lot of things past 7. The fact they're selling old ass games with hardly any fixes or modernizations on their platform that need an older OS but want to push the issue is bug fuck retarded.
Either stop selling or force the publishers of the titles to make it work on the new shit or fuck off, or don't arbitrarily force a through the pocket MS handjob change.
Either stop selling or force the publishers of the titles to make it work on the new shit or fuck off, or don't arbitrarily force a through the pocket MS handjob change.
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The built-in Windows compatibility thing was always shit. By the time Vista came around you could no longer run MS-DOS software natively, and the compatibility settings didn't matter in that case. If you really want to bitch about natively supporting old games, you'd be bound to staying on Windows XP for anything made during that era. Thankfully nowadays there's a metric fuckton of 3rd party software to make old games run on modern systems, like DxWnd, dgVoodoo or DXVK, and there's an entire info repository on how to do it for every game called PC Gaming Wiki.
Plus, if we're bitching about backwards compatibility on PC, here's the thing. You can still run MS-DOS/Win9x/WinXP games on Win10/Win11 with a little bit of fiddling, anything that was designed for Windows even natively without having to do full emulation/hypervising. Sure, it's not piss easy, it relies on software that wasn't made by Microsoft, but the thing is that it's even possible, and with a very good effect. On a modern PC you will always have a way to run an old PC game on it, which is something console gamers will never have.
PS4/PS5 owners cannot play any PS1/PS2/PS3 games if they haven't been ported or emulated because it's impossible to run them natively. That's because PS1/PS2/PS3 had such complicated architectures that PS1 BC on PS2 was done by having physical hardware of the PS1 which was later removed, same with PS3 and PS1/PS2 BC. Even the devs who worked on games for those consoles had issues because of that, and by the time PS4 got released Sony gave up and did the same closed down PC as a console schtick that Microsoft did.
Xbox owners can only play Xbox 360/OG Xbox games if Microsoft has been willing enough to bother introducing support for them, and they didn't do that for even half of their old consoles library. 633 out of 2154 X360 games are backwards compatible and 63 out of 996 OG Xbox games are backwards compatible. And 3rd party emulation for the OG Xbox and the Xbox 360 is still very rudimentary, even if you're allowed to sideload that into your XBO/XSX, which I think Microsoft recently locked down.
So be glad that you're a PC gamer, because you actually have a way for functional backwards compatibility by work of other people and the fact Windows is such an archaic mess, whereas console players can only count on the console manufacturer's good will to do so.
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No? Because you can change your OS and still have access to all the games you've bought previously? If you buy a Deck, you can log in with the same Steam account you have on your PC and have access to all your games on that. Same with your PC if you'll update Windows or switch to Linux. And also, if you have a Gamecube game disk, you cannot play it on a Switch, and you'll have to buy it again, if you can even buy it for that system.
If you have a 10 year old PC with Steam, and you buy a brand new one, once you log into Steam you once again have access to your entire game library because it's not locked down to the older hardware. The comparison of Steam to a console like Gamecube is completely illogical, because companies like Nintendo do less to make sure you can play all your old games on your newer hardware than Steam.
Also, going back to your post:
This statement is completely false, because firstly, Windows users compose 96.38% of Steam userbase, of which 1.67% are on versions that will be discontinued in 2024. They won't lose any customers, because that's just 1.67% of their userbase that's gonna have to decide to either change their OS to something modern or stay bitter and mad about nothing and bitch on forum threads like this one.
It's funny how people being mad about this change in this thread become more and more irrational. It's like some people are living in a parallel universe where Windows 7 runs the entire world, and to abandon support for it is to destroy your company for good. All of what you've said makes zero logical sense and if you had a sliver of self-awareness you'd simply say that you're mad because you don't like change and you refuse to do any change.
You have a million ways to keep playing your Steam games, but you refuse all of them. One of which is completely free, which is dual booting Linux, by which you get to use your beloved abandoned OS with countless unpatchable security holes and play all your Steam games, all on the same computer. But even that is an inconvenience for you because it demands effort and losing a tiny bit of convenience.
It's really funny, you know, especially since the exact same thing happened years ago but no one was bitching this irrationally to this extent, and back then you had less choices than today.
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No. Once you've bought the games on the Steam store, you can play them wherever you want (Windows, GNU/Linux and/or Mac).
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Go back to kindergarten and learn counting.
We have 2 ways - install Winblows Spyware/Adware edition or use Linux, which sad to say is BARELY less of a complete pain in the ass than it was 15 years ago. It is not, and probably never will be, a drop-in replacement. Sadly.
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Windows had "spyware" and "adware" since Windows XP. It's just it had less of it, it was less obvious, and it was less of a loud issue than Win10/11. This is just blind nostalgia. You can put in effort to make Windows 10/Windows 11 not phone home and have it run as well as Windows 7. It's possible, despite of how much your little echo chamber says otherwise.
It's just that you and everyone else in this thread refuses to do any change in their lives and instead bitch about something they could change but don't want to because the sheer thought of moving out of their mom's basement terrifies them on a primal level, if you wanna go down the childish insult path.
Seriously, if every single sperg in this thread who's bitching about this just grew up, installed Windows 11 and patched it up, they wouldn't bitch about this issue. You're basically the same sort of autist as the people who refused to move on from XP and had to rely on a browser made by a fat autist, who probably looks like you and everyone else bitching about this.
Stay mad, keep bitching about the present because you refuse to let go of the past. There's been thousands of people like you before, and there will be in the future, while normal people either patch out telemetry from Windows 11 or move to Linux. I've said the same thing multiple times in this thread and the same bunch of people couldn't accept the truth and instead gave me mean stickers to cope with a reality check.
EDIT: Also it's really cute how you've only quoted my little exaggeration and only responded to that, because you couldn't refute anything of what I've said. If anything, you're the one who's still stuck in kindergarten given your argumentation skills.
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valve isn't in charge of other people's software compatibility. if you're too much of a brainlet to check software requirements and read reviews before buying shit go get a fucking console.
also wtf you're talking about? you aware valve has linux developers on their payroll, right? why "help out" microsoft?
if you wanna throw shit at valve, do it for being lazy and turning steam into an electron app. the reason they require windows 10 is because steam uses embedded chrome, which in turn requires win10. it's right in the fucking OP ffs.
meanwhile valve has enough money to hire one guy to lock that shit down with a html/xml subset that works with a for-purpose renderer (similar to what the w3c tried way too late because they're even more retarded). nothing on steam requires full html5, and even the stuff that might like their little event games and other shit already runs better in proper browser.
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What? Throwing shit at Valve for using Electron? No, Valve is literally the antichrist because they are cutting support for the best Windows OS with zero spyware and want everyone to force into using the antichrist OS that is Windows 10/Windows 11 or use Linux which doesn't work and is useless just to play games I paid for and don't even own. No sir, I will hate on Valve mindlessly because they are literally trying to take away my freedoms, and no, I won't change anything about my computer because I don't like change and I get a panic attack at the thought of it.
This is your average line of argument in this thread. Don't bother, you're trying to reason with people who are unreasonable, who contradict themselves and who refute to ad hominem insults when they run out of arguments against you. People here don't try to argue why Valve shouldn't be using Electron, people just want to hate on Valve for locking them out of their games on an ancient OS.
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I did tech support for win 7 and win 10 for four years. I've used both extensively, and even used 11 a little in that job. Let me tell you right now. You are wrong. You are a retarded fucking nigger.
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you forget the average normie shouldn't have to deal with this shit in the first place. of course they get angry, even if their anger is misdirected, it's not wrong.
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The thing is normies already updated to Windows 10 or Windows 11 so it's not an issue to them. People who still use Windows 7/8/8.1 and get around any issues arising from them being outdated are tech savvy enough to deal with this shit, but they are also too autistic to do so.
I can't wait until the next cohort of kids starts bitching about how Windows 10 was the last good version of windows, just like people are doing about 7 and like they did with XP, 2K, and 95.
Sooner or later you'll have no choice but to upgrade. I don't know why Windows users are like this, you don't see it hardly at all among Mac or Linux users.
Sooner or later you'll have no choice but to upgrade. I don't know why Windows users are like this, you don't see it hardly at all among Mac or Linux users.
They generally work well in proton, which is clearly where Valve sees a large part of Steam's future.
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it's easy to think so, but not all of them. for example, try to explain to a normie why he should update "if everything works". it's similar to the mindset of any company with "spending money one something that doesn't make us any?". add their laziness/tech illiteracy and often limited hardware - good luck trying to explain them they suddenly have to buy new a new laptop or pc - and you get quite a few stuck on windows 7.
because macfags use theirs either as a tool (music/dtp/coding/etc) so aren't as beholden to new versions, or buy the newest shit anyway because they're brand whores. also going by iphones apple for all their faults still supports older hardware (which came with it's own issues, but still). dunno if they still do.
apple also makes alot of sales via hardware, so less need to push new software.
linux is linux, meaning their users are usually a lot more versed in tech, and linux can be run as slim as you want it to be. they don't sell hardware and are mostly non-commercial.
windows on the other hand is run by basically everyone, from your 90 yo grandma to some zoomer with a surface tablet. MS doesn't sell hardware either for the most part, but know they have a stranglehold on the desktop/business OS market so know they can push all kinds of shit. what else you gonna do, buy a mac or switch to linux (which, as much as I'm a linuxfag, wasn't really an option for the longest time for most people, especially gaymurs)?
technically there was no reason to have directx10 require windows vista (and they properly fucked themselves with that thankfully), but after windows7 it became even more obvious that nothing they "add" could've been down with a smaller, more compatible upgrade. and keep in mind windows 10 was supposed to be the last one, now they want everyone on windows 11 and windows 12 is already in the pipeline. the diminishing returns simple got higher, which made a lot more people obvious to their bullshit. it also doesn't help that with every new version microsoft shoves their new design paradigms down people's throat, whether they want to or not, see the ribbon in office or fullscreen start menu in windows 8. as I've said people are lazy but even then there's really no reason to force them to adapt every fucking time - and there's no other option either, these days you can't even go back to classic without hacks (which most people either don't do or when they do it end up with shit like bonzi buddy and dozens of IE menubars, a simple theming engine is apparently still too difficult for pajeetsoft after 3 decades).
(also the last good version for most is considered 98se when ME came out, 2000 was largely ignored before everyone switched to XP and enjoyed the NT kernel for the first time).
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Case in point me and the computer I built for my dad years ago. He's running
Windows 10, and my laptop runs on 11. Both work and do the job, and though personally I prefer 10, I can't be fucked to install Linux on my laptop since it does everything asked of it. Normies updated years ago, as computers broke and HDD's fried.
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According to MS, there are a number of features in DX10 that would have required a kernel upgrade to Windows XP. How do you know this wasn't the case?
How can you tell what OS features in Windows 10 are and aren't compatible with the Windows 7 kernel?