[0:00] Ana
Yeah, uh, what's, uh, how's the court thing going on? Like, I re- watched the recent one. It seems to be going pretty all right there. How long will it be though? Like...
[0:09] Destiny
Um, well, the only bad thing now, it's just a matter of, like, time and waiting. So, time and money, and yeah.
[0:14] Ana
Mm-hmm.
[0:14] Destiny
Just bleeding away, you know, years of my life waiting for this day, and so feels good.
[0:18] Ana
Oh, that's... Are you okay with us chattin' a little bit about that or is it, like, a subject non-
[0:24] Destiny
Um...
[0:24] Ana
... non-discussable?
[0:25] Destiny
No, if you want to, yeah. What's up?
[0:28] Ana
I mean, I'm just, uh, I don't know. I just feel like, uh, the whole Trump people gaslighted me and I feel like this whole thing gaslighted me as well. Because initially, I wro- I read it obviously, because I don't wanna, like, discard things, you know, immediately, so I read the, how it's called? Sub- sub- the subsub thing, the sub- sub-
[0:44] Destiny
Mm-hmm.
[0:44] Ana
... tag? Tag? Yeah, so I read that thing and I was like, you know, "I wanna know what's up." Obviously, I wrote, uh, on Reddit, I wrote to you as well. I asked you questions about it because I wasn't gucci with the idea of, uh, you filmin' people and, uh, distributin' it without their, you know, their agreement, or filmin' them without their agreement, what was-
[1:04] Destiny
Mm-hmm.
[1:04] Ana
... called bif- at the time, right? I wasn't okay with that. But I- I- I- I wanted obviously to hear what you have to say, so I messaged you first because, you know, I trust you and I respect you. I don't trust those people (laughs) sure as fuck, not like, um, Mister Girls and all of that shit, and, you know, all- all that crowd, all, like, people, commies who, like, fucking hate you and all of that. So, I have zero reason to trust anything they say. And, uh, so yeah, but then- then I read the Substack, and then I think I even told you, pointed you out the- the bit when the, uh, there were so much things that I was reading and I'm like, "Am I, like, insane or is this insane?" Like, about the- the thing that Hasan thing.
[1:39] Destiny
Mm-hmm.
[1:40] Ana
That the... Uh, that she was like, "He is, uh, threatening to sue millionaire Hasan-"
[1:45] Destiny
Yeah.
[1:45] Ana
"... as if trying to..." And I remember I wrote this to you, and I was like, "This is, like, weird as shit." It's like some next level paranoia, because like, you know, you have beef obviously with Hasan that has fuck-all to do with her and it's, like, way before anything happened. And he made, like, weird claims about you and- and you were talking about maybe that's actually worth suing for, you know, about all the, you know, stuff.
[2:08] Destiny
Yeah.
[2:08] Ana
And it, like, how does it... to do anything with her, and like, a lot of things, and like this whole, um, Virgin Mary thing. I don't know, it's like all seems so fucking strange. And now I'm, like, kind of vindicated that I wasn't, uh, you know-
[2:20] Destiny
Yeah.
[2:20] Ana
... believing the fuck all.
[2:20] Destiny
I think the... I feel like the clearest, like, line of everything is the, um... We had a big hearing, like a, I guess a month ago at this point, and I think there was a... I think that was a lot of stuff that was, like, very clearly laid out there. But the issue is I- I think-
[2:33] Ana
Mm-hmm.
[2:33] Destiny
... that it went so badly for them that they moved to try to seal it afterwards, so that I wouldn't be able to... So it's not published anywhere, you can't read it anywhere. So, I'm just waiting for the judge-
[2:41] Ana
Yeah, yeah.
[2:41] Destiny
... to rule on the sealing. And then if I can read that, I think that, I think that, like, o- opens up a lot of stuff. But, uh, and also kinda destroys, I think, her credibility and everything on a lot of this. So, but...
[2:51] Ana
Yeah, I'm just... I was just... I'm not in- and, you know, don't know much about, like, uh, to be honest, other than movies (laughs) about, you know, American court thing. But, uh, it's just that, uh... Also, I was thinking that they will, like, try to sue you for, like... How it's called in English? Uh, neglect? Neglectful something? Harmful negligence?
[3:11] Destiny
Maybe.
[3:11] Ana
Something like that.
[3:11] Destiny
Sure.
[3:12] Ana
Uh, but yeah. I was thinking that will be, but no, they're actually, like, going for the fa- I- I can't, couldn't believe they're going for the angle of you, like, uh, spreading your own stuff just to do revenge porn on her.
[3:23] Destiny
Mm-hmm.
[3:24] Ana
Like, when you are revenge porn victim yourself. And I will not be like this guy anymore, okay? I will not, like, be, like, silent about it. I wasn't. I was, I was... I publicly spoke out a bit about it. But it's just, yeah, it's just they're so stupid. I never saw anything with her, uh, before the whole thing. But I have been sent a fuck-ton of your stuff, like... (laughs)
[3:42] Destiny
Yeah.
[3:43] Ana
You know? So, so it's- it's clearly who was, like, a fucking target and who was and who wasn't, in a sense. Like, it's pretty fucking awful. I don't know. Like, I- I would be mad as shit. And I imagine you guys, people would be like, "Oh, you know, he's- he's maliciously spreading his own stuff." (laughs)
[3:58] Destiny
Mm-hmm.
[3:58] Ana
It's just absolutely wild. I don't know. It just doesn't make any fucking sense to me. I- I- I- I- I- I understand being mad about, like, negligent bit, perhaps. Like, you know, about the, um... Uh, yeah, but the rest is just doesn't make sense. It just seems like you just go for the biggest, you know, what will get you the biggest compensation and that's it-
[4:16] Destiny
Yep.
[4:16] Ana
... pretty much.
[4:17] Destiny
Basically, yeah. So, hopefully-
[4:19] Ana
Or, um-
[4:19] Destiny
... if I'm really lucky I'm done in a month. If I'm kinda unlucky, then I'm done in, like, four months. And then if I'm really und- unlucky, then I'm done in a year. So, yeah, we'll see what happens.
[4:26] Ana
Yeah. People still, like throw shit, which I don't like, because they're like, "Oh, of course you would like never, uh, be, like, uh, against, like, anything or, like, supporting, uh, no, supporting because you get, like, money from the fundraisers." People say for my s- but, you know, w- for the fundraiser. But I wrote specifically on GG, like, subreddit and feel- things like that about your subreddit, and talked with people, and they were like, "Yeah, no matter if you'd never, like, uh, go on streams, if you never, like, do anything, we will still, like, support fundraisers." So, it was very clearly made to me that I don't need to be like your, uh, you know... to publicly speak out to, f- for you or anything. People will still support, because they believe in the fundraisers and they like doing the good thing and, you know, people are happy with it, with my, like, being, you know, transparent and showing them everything.
[5:11] Ana
And, you know, they trust me and stuff, which I am very grateful for, obviously.
[5:15] Destiny
Mm-hmm.
[5:15] Ana
But yeah, I'm not doing it because I'm like... I ju- I- I wasn't doing it... You know, like, I messaged you a while back. I was, like, about to (laughs) publish a whole, like, manifesto your style, and you told me not to. So, I wasn't, like, you know, uh, not speaking out about it, because... Yeah, anyway. I ju- I just felt bad, because I- I wasn't speaking out and I felt like I should, but, you know, people are, like, sending me weird shit. As you know, because your, uh, people who hate you, like, are, uh, the most upstanding, uh, defenders of women, uh, on Earth.
[5:45] Destiny
Yeah.
[5:46] Ana
Uh, truly mo- magnificent stuff they have sent me, and- and still continue to. So, yeah, I don't know.
[5:53] Destiny
Yeah, such is life on the internet. Here we are.
[5:57] Ana
Are you, are you, like, at least, I don't know, partially annoyed that so many people just, like-... dropped off without waiting for the court at all. So it must be-
[6:07] Destiny
Um, you know, listen, we cut the, what did they cut? The wheat from the chaff, I guess, but yeah, it was pretty surprising, but hey, I guess it is what it is. (laughs) It's, it's the nature of online relationships, huh?
[6:16] Ana
I don't know. That's kind of... I don't know. It feels, it feels bad to me. Maybe we're like weird like that, but you know, but, uh, American friends of mine say people here are like, uh, loyal dogs. (laughs)
[6:26] Destiny
Sure.
[6:26] Ana
And I, I don't know. It's not... It's partially a compliment and partially a meme, but to me it's just, yes, it's just... Loyalty, you know, is, is, uh, virtuous. (laughs) And just, yeah, just to me, I don't say you should support a fucking, like, I don't know, like someone, uh, is proven to be a rapist or some shit, then you should support them. Obviously not, right?
[6:42] Destiny
Mm-hmm.
[6:42] Ana
But it's, uh, it has limits. But, but yeah, but just dropping people like that just because it's a, I don't know, bad rap or inconvenience or anything like that, it just seems, uh, not, not good to me, morally. So-
[6:55] Destiny
Yeah.
[6:56] Ana
... yeah, I don't know.
[6:58] Destiny
Okay.
[6:59] Ana
What do I know? Okay. Americans are impressed if I cook food for them and meet them at the train station, okay? So your standards are low. (laughs)
[7:07] Destiny
Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
[7:08] Ana
(laughs) Like, seriously though, I swear. Like people are like, "Oh, you cooked me breakfast?" And it's like, "Well, yeah." (laughs) You're like a guest at my house, obviously. Or like, I meet them at the train station just, you know, so it's easier for them to get to the place and stuff. I mean, it's fine, um, like, mm-mm, it's new town, they don't know places, some don't know language as well. English people know, but not all of them, right? And it just, it's a good thing to meet your friend, uh, at the train station. And be like, they'd be like sho- shook up, uh, like, "What is going on over there?" Like, "Is nobody doing anything for anyone for free?" Yeah, it's just, yeah, very strange.
[7:45] Destiny
I mean, I think-
[7:45] Ana
Yeah, maybe it's just streamer people.
[7:46] Destiny
... yeah. Don't let, yeah, don't let the online stuff poison you. Like I think most people are... The, the online stuff is kind of weird, but you know.
[7:53] Ana
Yeah. My people are people I, uh, got to know as streamer related and, you know, so that's affects obviously how they... how autistic they are, I guess.
[8:02] Destiny
Mm-hmm. Okay.
[8:05] Ana
Well, yeah.
[8:05] Destiny
Well, have fun. Be careful. Stay safe.
[8:08] Ana
Yeah. Same to you. Bye-bye. Yeah.
[8:11] Destiny
Thanks for-
[8:12] Ana
Have a nice evening, day.
[8:13] Destiny
Yeah. Thanks for stopping by. Take care.
[8:14] Ana
Um, bye-bye.
[8:16] Destiny
Bye. I'm gonna use the restroom real quick. Hold on one sec.
