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Stop Killing Games (EU edition) - Moldman vs. Publishers
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Discord killing forums forever will never not piss me off. Discord can barely be a voice chat app, it has not ONCE been more effective than a forum.
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I've never used it myself and I was wondering how you archive anything. Is it basically like chat logs? Since Discord is used for so many game related discussions and releases how do you get that stuff after it's been posted? Like if something you wanted to see was posted a month ago isn't it going to be a chore finding it?
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Be autistic and screencap everything. Everything that's been posted more than a. Hour ago might as well be deleted.
It sounds like the EU campaign is a bust. If they are still 1/3 of the way there after the initial hype died down completely then it's hopeless, even with the planned multiple gay influencers trying to bring up the topic.
Guess it makes sense, euros can barely put the effort to make their own countries habitable.
Also if Ubisoft really is going bankrupt then it can fuck a lot of the groundwork.
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Yes, it will be a chore. They do have an actual thread feature that is awful. The search feature sucks. Even if you put something in the announcement channel it's going to be swallowed up by additional announcements. It's retarded because most games will also post shit to their steam discussions/steam page with the information you need and you can actually find it. I swear the only reason discord is actually used is so a bunch of freak trannies can put community manager on their resume, and you can ban people for wrongthink from your "community" more easily.
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I swear if I hear about another shitty pointless Discord server being created by someone on the Internet I'm going to bomb Discord HQ (in Minecraft, with loads of TNT).
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Discord is perfect for the game companies. Unlike the classic forums, they can just ignore the feedback. 343 did this for example, they shut down Halo Waypoint and the Steam forum for their games is used as a way to bait and ban people.
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I suspect discord was only created so game companies could have more control and do censorship.
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The UK government petition to stop publishers destroying games is now open! Here's a video with more details on it. Sign the petition if you're a UK citizen or resident!
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I wouldn't bet on the British ever doing something positive ever, though maybe Labour will decide to go against an easy enemy.
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Discord is more for casual chatting, not for archiving anything.
If you want to search for something, there is a search feature with filters, but it doesn't necessarily suck (it can though). Mods or whatever can also "pin" the comment into a list, if they do, from there you will be able to jump to that old message easily.
Now if you want to actually archive a Discord server, you'll need something like Discord Chat Exporter, which will download an HTML/CSS page with all attachments, messages, etc of your choosing. It serves as an archive as long as you know that the file has not been modified, because anyone could then alter the HTML of the file they downloaded.
So it's almost effectively as taking screenshots, but you can tell the program to do it in bulk for you instead of manually, and will also include useful information, like the participants' (18 digit) ID in the code.
So right now it's at 406500, and 7 countries have reached the threshold (so that's done), do you think it's possible?
The trend/graph is very telling, so it will need a massive push, but is it realistically doable?
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It was a long shot from the very beginning.
The only way I see this reaching 1 million is if it somehow catches a second wind among European YouTubers. Ross would need a team of people aggressively pestering those specific YouTubers to cover SKG, or something would need to happen to bring SKG into the spotlight.
I think the route through consumer protection groups was always more promising.
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He talked about having a big push with influencers but I doubt it will work.
The fact is only Americans care about owning the things they buy. Europeans and Asians basically still practice monarchy and don't even care about their basic human rights, let alone their property rights.
The Tall Man
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That is true to some extent.
Europeans tend to be far more cynical and blackpilled when it comes to things like this, despite Ross' journey showing that there are better options for action in Europe.
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It's the fine print of gaming. "Oh yeah we totally got a place to talk about our game" 3 devs join, mute the server, promote 5 grifters to admin status, create so many channels no clique can form, ignore.
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Ross really went about it the wrong way. He could get 10 times the amount of signatures needed and it will amount to fuck all in the EU and its countries who will just talk about it for an hour and maybe set some special council who will cost millions of euros and end up writing a strongly worded letter. The only way to pass it is to appeal to a big party that will have either ideological or monetary reason to pursue it.
Yeah the USA is harder to pass pro consumer laws in, but that's solely because Americans actually attempt those and sometimes win.
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I agree, and find it ironic since americans are completely fucked when it comes to consumer rights. Merricans talk about their freedoms all the time and yet USA became cyberpunk-lite where corpos can basically rape consumers and at worst get a slap on the wrist. EU still has a chance but stupid sheep became complacent, and wait for politicians to babysit them instead of protesting.
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I've checked the site as I was curious as to what the success rate was. As of the time of this post, Stop Killing Games is the second most successful initiative:
For comparison, the first most successful initiative has more than twice as many votes and is about guaranteeing safe abortions. And the third most successful wants to ban the slaughter of animals for food, period.
If you check the initiatives that have received an answer by the EU, almost all of them are about environmentalism or animal rights (and it's not like the EU fully solved their issues either):
The initiatives need to get outrageously lucky and defend environmentalism or social justice to even have a chance. Ross is fighting an uphill battle he's unlikely to win by choosing this site to defend vidya.