Study shows gun control would prevent mass shootings

AnOminous said:
So far as I know, retarded people haven't really been an issue with guns. The main issues seem to be people with a propensity for violence due to mental illness, and people presumed to have a propensity for violence because of their convictions for crimes.

In at least one recent case, that of Dylann Roof, the shooter was unambiguously ineligible to purchase a firearm because of existing law, but was nevertheless greenlighted to buy because of the inability to communicate between federal and state authorities.

I certainly don't think all the legislation that would be constitutionally permissible is on the books, but there are a few things that meet with near universal approval, such as background checks so that violent criminals and psychotics can't just buy a gun with no problem, and there are laws that would cover these cases. They just aren't being enforced.

That would seem to be the pragmatic place to start, at least if people were actually serious about doing something possible, instead of just demanding all guns be done away with, or that everyone has the right to their own roof-mounted machinegun on their SUV.
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Poor choice of words on my part. What I was trying to say is guns should only be in the hands of the mentally stable, which is pretty similar to what you said. I do agree though that universal background checks would certainly help. And back to my earlier point I just find it s frustrating that American politics can't even agree on that point. It just seems like such an easy thing that were letting the lobbyists make more difficult then it needs to be.
 
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SunLightStreak said:
Off topic: Um, the Iraqi Insurgency did not win. The US left after the Iraqi government decided not to let us stay. The US are not in the business of acquiring territory any longer. When the US left the country was stable.
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If the U.S. giving up and leaving was not a win for the insurgents, Great Britain giving up and leaving was not a win for the American Revolutionaries.
 
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The only spree shootings Utah has ever had have been in Gun Free Zones: a news station and a shopping mall. The shopping mall shooting was stopped by an off duty police officer who happened to be dining there and had his weapon, but it could have been avoided all together if the mall wasn't a Gun Free Zone. Our schools are NOT Gun Free Zones. Teachers are permitted to carry concealed, as well as visitors, parents, or anyone legally carrying open or concealed. Our colleges are likewise NOT Gun Free Zones. Students, faculty, and visitors are allowed to carry legally there. We have never had a school shooting. We also are among the highest per-capita in gun ownership and concealed firearms license issuance. I also tend to ignore Gun Free Zone signs, because I refuse to be a victim. The worst that can happen is they ask me to leave. Its never come up.

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The Dude said:
The only spree shootings Utah has ever had have been in Gun Free Zones: a news station and a shopping mall. The shopping mall shooting was stopped by an off duty police officer who happened to be dining there and had his weapon, but it could have been avoided all together if the mall wasn't a Gun Free Zone. Our schools are NOT Gun Free Zones. Teachers are permitted to carry concealed, as well as visitors, parents, or anyone legally carrying open or concealed. Our colleges are likewise NOT Gun Free Zones. Students, faculty, and visitors are allowed to carry legally there. We have never had a school shooting. We also are among the highest per-capita in gun ownership and concealed firearms license issuance. I also tend to ignore Gun Free Zone signs, because I refuse to be a victim. The worst that can happen is they ask me to leave. Its never come up.
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I've removed an ad homniem from your post, consider this an informal warning. Personal attacks do nothing to further discussion, please don't use them in future posts. Especially when you have perfectly valid points to bring to the topic at hand.
 
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The Dude said:
The only spree shootings Utah has ever had have been in Gun Free Zones: a news station and a shopping mall. The shopping mall shooting was stopped by an off duty police officer who happened to be dining there and had his weapon, but it could have been avoided all together if the mall wasn't a Gun Free Zone. Our schools are NOT Gun Free Zones. Teachers are permitted to carry concealed, as well as visitors, parents, or anyone legally carrying open or concealed. Our colleges are likewise NOT Gun Free Zones. Students, faculty, and visitors are allowed to carry legally there. We have never had a school shooting. We also are among the highest per-capita in gun ownership and concealed firearms license issuance. I also tend to ignore Gun Free Zone signs, because I refuse to be a victim. The worst that can happen is they ask me to leave. Its never come up.

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I agree that "Gun Free Zones" aren't helpful because it's too easy to just carry a gun into one, which is meanwhile made into a soft target because most people will follow the law. Gun control has to be comprehensive, including geographically, to be effective.
 
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So there's a recent story about an instance where a carjacking actually became worse when there was a "good guy with a gun" present.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/tex...ots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/

Here a guy stole a car, and a witness pulled out a gun and began firing at the car. And he accidentally shot the owner of the car in the head while the thief drove away. The shooter also picked up his shell casings and fled.
 
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Watcher said:
So there's a recent story about an instance where a carjacking actually became worse when there was a "good guy with a gun" present.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/tex...ots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/

Here a guy stole a car, and a witness pulled out a gun and began firing at the car. And he accidentally shot the owner of the car in the head while the thief drove away. The shooter also picked up his shell casings and fled.
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Pretty dumb to try to stop a carjacking when someone's driving away by shooting at them.
 
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Le Bateleur said:
The problem isn't that the US simply has a lot of guns - it's that it has a lot of people who build carrying a gun into part of their personal identity.
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I'm a gun owner myself, and I don't understand people who feel like they have to carry it with them, all the fucking time. The vast majority of them don't cause problems with other people, though.
 
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Lol you yanks and you're 'freedums'. You must be the last first world country to actually come close to figuring this one out. We had one school shooting and we banned handguns, since then no more school shootings. Seriously.
 
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LazarusOwenhart said:
Lol you yanks and you're 'freedums'. You must be the last first world country to actually come close to figuring this one out. We had one school shooting and we banned handguns, since then no more school shootings. Seriously.
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I would love it if it was this simple, but I think even if there was a major move away from easy-access-to-guns in the USA, we'd still see school shootings. They do happen in countries with relatively restrictive gun laws.

However we might very well see less of them.
 
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http://news.sky.com/story/1564353/boy-11-shoots-dead-8-year-old-over-puppy

So if gun culture isn't the issue explain this 11 year old kids train of thought. I grew up with shotguns in the house, in a locked steel cabinet. I was always told that they were the single most dangerous thing in the house and too this day I still live by that philosophy and teach my kids the same lesson. How fucking lax do you have to be when a kid that age think that this is an appropriate escalation?
 
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LazarusOwenhart said:
So if gun culture isn't the issue explain this 11 year old kids train of thought.
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He had fuck-retard parents who didn't secure their guns and didn't teach their child any responsibility about respecting human life (i.e. not murdering another child) or firearms.

You had guns in the house, so why weren't you a victim of 'gun culture?' Because, obviously, you had sane parents.

I don't get why you blame the 'culture' of dozens of millions of Americans because a few freak cases where dipshits leave guns out available for their violent kids. It's not a culture of millions of Americans to do that sort of thing.
 
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Latest school shooter's mother on Yahoo! Answers:
Answering a question about state gun laws several years ago, Ms. Harper, a registered nurse, took a jab at “lame states” that impose limits on keeping loaded firearms in the home, and noted that she had AR-15 and AK-47 semiautomatic rifles, along with a Glock handgun. She also indicated that her son, who lived with her, was well versed in guns, citing him as her source of information on gun laws, saying he “has much knowledge in this field.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/us/mother-of-oregon-gunman-wrote-of-keeping-firearms.html?_r=0

smh
 
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