Stupid Stuff we Learn in College, and the Professors that Teach it. - From the Faggiest Sociologists to the Stupidest Historians

[Belisarius Cawl]

Honestly I believe in the value of a liberal education (as defined there, not having to do with the SJW stuff), specifically this section:

"Knowledge of human cultures and the physical and natural world through study in the sciences and mathematics, social sciences, humanities, histories, languages, and the arts—focused by engagement with big questions, both contemporary and enduring."

One good thing about that approach is that you don't have a myopic focus on expertise in one area to where you at least know when to do more research when speaking outside of your expertise. That's actually one thing the USA (at least in principle) does right.

 

[DotDem]

I've only taken engineering and stem shit so far and kind of want to take these pozzed humanities courses for the fuck of it. Especially since I've already read a lot of the literature from the academics they love so much.

Honestly I believe in the value of a liberal education (as defined there, not having to do with the SJW stuff), specifically this section:

Reading through this it seems pretty good. A lot of academic types I've talked to seemingly lack tools for critical thinking. Something I think almost anybody can learn.

 

[Fascist Frederick]

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it's so cool how humanities professors are categorically idiots who are literally paid to be wrong. kiwis, what's the easiest way to get tenure?

I don't get how posting a bunch of pictures of white men proves your point...

 

[Devout Muslim]

that same professor said anyone who finds Asian women attractive are pedophiles. And she said this when there were Asian students IN THE CLASS.

Her reasoning was that anyone who finds Asian women attractive most likely has "yellow fever" and that they are pedophiles because Asian woman look young and have child-like features.

I guess people who like black women are into beastiality then.

Honestly I believe in the value of a liberal education (as defined there, not having to do with the SJW stuff)

Liberal education has been a disaster for public discourse. They learn just enough on a topic to be able to repeat the talking points, but not enough to actually engage critically with the material. It’s just propaganda.

 

[Belisarius Cawl]

I've only taken engineering and stem shit so far and kind of want to take these pozzed humanities courses for the fuck of it. Especially since I've already read a lot of the literature from the academics they love so much.

Only looking at the pozzed side will skew things though. For instance, my existing shitter reading material has gotten stale so I dug The Wizards of Armageddon out of a box. From the website:

"This is the untold story of the small group of men who have devised the plans and shaped the policies on how to use the Bomb. The book (first published in 1983) explores the secret world of these strategists of the nuclear age and brings to light a chapter in American political and military history never before revealed."

It is not a hugely technical text, but you might appreciate that things like sensitivity analysis are discussed (briefly). More importantly, it is not a pozzed polemic. The overt criticism directed towards some of Herman Kahn's projections of the outcome of a nuclear war on the home front is sensible because (per his own partial admission in his writing) there are a number of assumptions that appear highly unrealistic. In other words, he doesn't take flak for being an evil capitalist white man publishing a manual for raping the planet.

 

[Meat Target]

I took a "History of Baseball" summer elective that was just a disguised White Guilt 101 class. Any discussion of baseball was ancillary to Muh Jim Crow and dickriding Jackie Robinson (who was, all things considered, a mediocre ballplayer).

And during my senior year, some of my classmates in a business class endorsed forced diversity in Marvel movies. I thought nothing of it at the time, but now I realize I was at one of Clown World's ground zeroes.

 

[The Deep State]

I had a class where the prompts for every paper specifically asked you to (over)analyze how a book, movie, song, etc. handles representation, idpol, and the usual shit. You got to pick the piece of media you're writing about, and since I didn't pick any woke stuff, I usually had fuck all to write about and bullshitted all my papers.

I still got all 100's because the professor likely didn't read any of the papers and gave everyone perfect scores for free just before the semester's grading deadline (edit: this is supposed to be a good uni btw; then again, I wouldn't be surprised if this kind of shit happens in even the "best" universities these days, plus it was peak covid season). I didn't even bother finding out what happened. Luckily, this was the only elective of its kind I had to endure and my major didn't have much room for all that BS.

 

[Major]

Honestly I believe in the value of a liberal education (as defined there, not having to do with the SJW stuff), specifically this section:

"Knowledge of human cultures and the physical and natural world through study in the sciences and mathematics, social sciences, humanities, histories, languages, and the arts—focused by engagement with big questions, both contemporary and enduring."

One good thing about that approach is that you don't have a myopic focus on expertise in one area to where you at least know when to do more research when speaking outside of your expertise. That's actually one thing the USA (at least in principle) does right.

The clue's in the name - it's just propaganda as education

 

[Belisarius Cawl]

The clue's in the name - it's just propaganda as education

I'm going to have to disagree because terms like artes liberales go all the way back to antiquity

 

[Salacious Krumb]

Oh, I remember that. Have you ever done those "equal opportunity" lines where you'd have to step forward/back based on your circumstances?

I had a diversity in the workplace course. One lecture was about how wearing ties is symbolic to toxicity by having your penis out. Something asisine like that.

Haven't done that yet thankfully. If we ever do that, I'll be sure to post it here.

I've only taken engineering and stem shit so far and kind of want to take these pozzed humanities courses for the fuck of it. Especially since I've already read a lot of the literature from the academics they love so much.

Reading through this it seems pretty good. A lot of academic types I've talked to seemingly lack tools for critical thinking. Something I think almost anybody can learn.

I highly recommend sociology. It's a wonderful source of entertainment, the only downside is you have to keep a straight face during each class period. Psychology might also work, but I actually sort of buy psychology, even if I think the DSM-5 is dead wrong on a lot of stuff. Actually, my psychology instructor readily acknowledges that the DSM is likely wrong in many ways. She's not in agreement with me on the troons and the gays, but she's at least not just talking out of her ass like me sociology prof. History might work too, but I've only had good experiences with my current history professor. He's old and has made tenure, so he gets to say whatever he wants.

 

[Belisarius Cawl]

I highly recommend sociology. It's a wonderful source of entertainment, the only downside is you have to keep a straight face during each class period.

Depends. I have to look into it more but it seems like what's called middle-range theory seems to be a good keyword for looking into non-pozzed ideas in sociology:

"A term developed in sociology by Robert K. Merton in the late 1940s as a way of connecting high‐level social theory with empirically observable patterns."

Obviously that requires trying to do actual science. As I understand it social network analysis is a large part of this research program and my rule of thumb is that, if you can formulate a prediction or explanation well enough to get a computer to understand it, then you are certainly doing enough to test either.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

My uni had an entire factory-sized department dedicated to afghan studies. And here I was feeling bad about my semi humanities/marketing type 'at least not a complete waste' degree, knowing these fuckers are out there sucking cock for good gigs white peepo like myself wouldn't get a shot at anyway.

 

[Named User]

I took two media studies classes taught by the same Jewish female post-doc whose dissertation was on the cultural appropriation of black American musicians in the 50s and 60s. You can do the Kabbalah math.

 

[Salacious Krumb]

Depends. I have to look into it more but it seems like what's called middle-range theory seems to be a good keyword for looking into non-pozzed ideas in sociology:

"A term developed in sociology by Robert K. Merton in the late 1940s as a way of connecting high‐level social theory with empirically observable patterns."

Obviously that requires trying to do actual science. As I understand it social network analysis is a large part of this research program and my rule of thumb is that, if you can formulate a prediction or explanation well enough to get a computer to understand it, then you are certainly doing enough to test either.

Non-pozzed sociology is definitely interesting if you can find it. That's the challenge, the entire field needs to be burned to the ground and restarted from zero.

 

[NerdShamer]

The american higher education system sounds terrible

Because the options for your mandatory electives are usually an joke, tbh. I've asked around about the exact specifics of what goes on, but all I got was that is the usual spiel of "broadening your horizons." Bear in mind that this is for shit like indigenous studies and the gender theory stuff.

I'm reasonably sure that this is mainly to keep the liberal arts stuff afloat, in this day and age.

 

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

I remember my sociology teacher teaching a lesson on how race was a social construct. To demonstrate this, she showed us various pictures of people and asked us to guess their races. It turns out that our thoughts were supposedly wrong, thus disproving the reality of race itself. I remember especially an otherwise white-looking woman supposedly being a part of the Chickasaw tribe.

A history teacher taught a Viking history class. It was fun, though you could tell she was an Progressive type. Especially when I called the Vikings superstitious for removing the prows from their ships upon returning home, lest the spirits along the shore become angry. She was upset by that, and took a rather heated tone.

Another teacher taught some sort of theory class involving pop culture and history. It was a bit of a mess, but the man himself was okay (quite young for a professor, and you could tell based on his rather nerdy appearance). I wrote an essay in defense of Christopher Columbus, and he gave me an A. I only remember him because he was apparently taken aback in reading an excerpt from Columbus' journal concerning the taking of natives back to England. For my part, I wasn't especially moved.

There was another woman who looked like an old feminist type, but she was quite level-headed. Unfortunate that we didn't talk more, as I only had her for one class.

 

[Belisarius Cawl]

I remember my sociology teacher teaching a lesson on how race was a social construct. To demonstrate this, she showed us various pictures of people and asked us to guess their races.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372/

"We have analyzed genetic data for 326 microsatellite markers that were typed uniformly in a large multiethnic population-based sample of individuals as part of a study of the genetics of hypertension (Family Blood Pressure Program). Subjects identified themselves as belonging to one of four major racial/ethnic groups (white, African American, East Asian, and Hispanic) and were recruited from 15 different geographic locales within the United States and Taiwan. Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four self-reported race/ethnicity categories. Of 3,636 subjects of varying race/ethnicity, only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-identified race/ethnicity. On the other hand, we detected only modest genetic differentiation between different current geographic locales within each race/ethnicity group. Thus, ancient geographic ancestry, which is highly correlated with self-identified race/ethnicity—as opposed to current residence—is the major determinant of genetic structure in the U.S. population. Implications of this genetic structure for case-control association studies are discussed."

You could also bring up the two-faced way that organ donation sites describe whether race matters which is basically the opposite of the claymation pirate meme (i.e. "well no but actually yes")

https://www.donoralliance.org/newsroom/donation-essentials/multicultural-groups-donation-does-race-matter-in-organ-transplants/

"Although organ transplant candidates are not matched based on race or ethnicity and people of different ethnicities often match one another, transplant matches made within ethnic groups can be even more compatible and successful. That is why it is so important that more people in all communities register as organ, eye and tissue donors. The more people who register their decision to be donors, the more lives that can be saved and healed!"

In other words: "race does matter"

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I remember my sociology teacher teaching a lesson on how race was a social construct. To demonstrate this, she showed us various pictures of people and asked us to guess their races. It turns out that our thoughts were supposedly wrong, thus disproving the reality of race itself. I remember especially an otherwise white-looking woman supposedly being a part of the Chickasaw tribe.

That is entirely possible, even likely. You've probably seen me rant about this multiple times by now, since we've both been here a long time, if you do just skip the post.

Anywho, the Five Civilized Tribes intermixed heavily with Whites, mostly Scottish merchants that swapped deerskins for Western manufactures and rum. These Whites were, due to their Western education, business connections and ability to write much better suited for dealing with the outside world and quickly (like other "middleman minorities" around the world) wound up on top of the societies they immigrated into. In Cherokee society and I believe the others, membership in the tribe ran through the mother, so these Whites would marry a squaw, have a half-breed. Often the half-breed girls would end up marrying more Whites, and so the Indian blood got diluted more and more even as the Anglo-Indian mestizo/creole got more and more power.

This is why so many famous Indian chiefs were White men, like White by three quarters or seven eighths or more, like MacIntosh of the Creeks and Ross of the Cherokee. Norton of the Iroquois was also mixed like that, but he wasn't ethnically Iroquois himself.

I have no idea what percent of Civilized Tribes are mixed today or what the average percentage is, but I wouldn't even question someone from Oklahoma that has White or Black (these tribes had plantation economies) features claiming to be an Indian. There were tons of Indians out there that were almost completely White or Black ethnically but were 100% part of the tribe, even to the extent of being monolingual speakers of it.

But when you get down to it, that doesn't mean race doesn't exist, it's just that people incorrectly conflate the Indian race with Indian national identity/culture, really the two are no more linked than any other race/culture pair is. If an Indian buck that impregnated a White woman the child wouldn't have been part of the tribe.

 

[Claude Sigma]

I was once taught that the holocaust was something that happened in real life and not just a thing you see in the movies.
Silliest idea I've ever heard.

 

[Salacious Krumb]

I remember my sociology teacher teaching a lesson on how race was a social construct. To demonstrate this, she showed us various pictures of people and asked us to guess their races. It turns out that our thoughts were supposedly wrong, thus disproving the reality of race itself. I remember especially an otherwise white-looking woman supposedly being a part of the Chickasaw tribe.

Yeah, I got that too. I'm certainly open to the idea that race is perhaps the least important distinction between people, and even that there are twins who look like different races. However, there is certainly some genetic component to race, otherwise how would we be able to test for Native American genes? I absolutely agree with the idea that there are very white looking Indians though, I have a red haired cousin in Oklahoma who is part of a tribe. Has all the paperwork to prove it too.