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I'm having hard time remembering how often pole arms were ever represented in media.

You'll occasionally see the Beefeater guards with a pike or a halberd, and I'm sure they've showed up in battle scenes in plenty of movies.

They're not particularly glorious and were often seen as peasant weapons (because they often were), but if you have a sword and I have a halberd, I don't care how good a sword it is, you're not getting to me with it. You're going to be well out of range unless you throw it at me or something.
 
I knew a guy who fucked his shoulder up good swinging a big ass long sword around. Idiot was doing it inside and almost took his TV out with it and had to pull back to avoid it. Ended up ripping some muscle/tendon or something in his shoulder.

He wasn't fat though, he was a tall skinny stick.
 
I think it's one thing if you buy swords for actual historical value and are a historian or history enthusiast, and I suppose there's value in actual training with a sword (from an actual person who knows technique, etc) as a form of exercise like kendo or European styles.

But in general none of that shit applies to the autistic weebs buying cheap wakazashis off of some shady website and sperging about them on the internet.
 
The online sword community has really bloomed in the past ten years. A bit of background on the community is probably helpful-

There are three separate types of sword enthusiasts- Cutters, Collectors and Fencers. And three separate categories of sword- antique/custom/production. As a general rule production swords cost <800 with most being in the 150-500 range. they tend to have a host of minor inaccuracies that add up to blades that are sluggish and unresponsive. They depreciate in value quickly, think of them as the ford ka's of the sword world. Customs and very expensive production blades handle like the originals but cost a fortune and retain their value reasonably well- think a high end mercedes or BMW. Antiques vary wildly in price and quality but are generally the most expensive category and are the only type of sword that appreciates in value- think a classic sports car.

Cutters are those people who buy swords to cut objects in their back gardens and post pictures to youtube, these range from hicks to neckbeards and are all over youtube as part of the United Backyard Cutters or UBC something which began as a youtube channel but has since become almost a subculture within certain sword forums. These people often post videos arguing about historical use of swords, these range from the autistic to the genuinely informative. They almost always use production weapons. This is where most of the 'sharp' autism is.

Collectors typically specialise in antiques although for certain periods will collect high end custom or production models costing $1000+. Their online footprint is small and not really anymore exciting than any niche community revolving round antiques.

Fencers tend to be MMA types and have all the drama and dick measuring one sees in any 'fighting' community although equally a lot of it is context dependant and hard for outsiders to penetrate. They often have this bizarre almost larp like habit of taking autistic concepts like 'chivalry' seriously and tend to use absurd forms of address- 'Hail' 'noble one'
'my lord' etc etc.

Like any hobby expense serves as a gatekeeper keeping the worst of the spergs out of the high end market and the minimal social skills needed to become a decent fencer does the same there. The cringe then happens where the antisocial and the inexpensive meet- Cutters with budget swords. @Dynastia mentioned 'metatron' as the most cringe channel- he is so far wrong. I'll share some of my personal favourites now but there are plenty more out there.

lynne thompson runs Cold Steel Knives. A company known for 'making' affordable swords which while looking nice are invariably overbuilt and poorly harmonised leading to blades which feel clumsy and ungainly. This is amusing when you consider that CS runs an aggressive marketing campaign where their obese, lisping owner chops up pig carcasses to the sound of metal music. For all that he talks about quality the swords are made by a third party in India:

Their channel has hundreds of videos of fat balding men cutting pigs. I'm reasonably sure its a fetish.
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japanese swords are cheaper than western ones and so naturally there is no shortage of weeaboos with katanas. Thegn is the exception in that he is a very angry american who identifies as a Norse Pagan, has a ponytail, and makes furious videos debunking sword myths. While informative his videos stike this cringey manic tone and his habit of peppering his speech with psudeo norseism like he's thor makes for sometimes painful viewing.
If they dropped the stupid viking shit I'd quite enjoy watching a pair of rednecks fucking about with swords and shit. They also use cheap and nasty production swords but i doubt anyone cares about that. A lot of the stuff they put out is also wrong, interesting but wrong- they are the sword equivalent of that guy down the pub who knows how to get out of paying speeding tickets.

john Clements runs a US based fencing school called ARMA he is infamous in the fighting community for an elitist and secretive attitude. He used to be known for a belligerent demeanor which led to several polish and finnish clubs offering to fly him over so they could 'duel' to disprove his theories. he had previously challenged anyone to prove him wrong in practice. The controversy springs from his insistence in using the flat of the blade alone for blocking. he claimed that this is the only historical technique and forbid his club from joining in cross club tournaments. he refused to publish his sources or fight someone from his own club leading to accusations he was afraid and had effectively built a hugbox. In 2010 internal drama resulting from his behaviour leaked out. I'll post what I can find of it here but its been a long time and my memory is fuzzy. I found this remnant on a sword forum:
https://archive.is/8JQTQ
A challenge issued by John Clements, ARMA Director – our statement
On Feb 7th 2010 Krzysztof Kruczyński officially resigned as the chief of ARMA-PL. His reasons are explained in an attached letter which is a direct translation of his post on ARMA-PL forum. This resignation was met with a response from John Clements, where the ARMA Director issued a challenge to Krzysztof and anyone whom he wished to bring during his visit in Poland in September 2010. This response is also attached below.

More than 20 people were ready to take up this challenge. New chief of ARMA-PL – Maciej Talaga – did everything to accommodate the needs of John Clements and to organize the meeting in Warsaw where such an event could take place. He also tried to negotiate the rules under which the fights would be fought, but this correspondence did not receive a reply. When everything was almost ready (a gym was rented, accommodation arranged, and money for air ticket collected), on Aug 1st John Clements unexpectedly cancelled his seminar and event in Poland, citing his business travel to Denmark as an excuse.

We were present both in Rzeszow (where we took part in the 2nd World Scientific Congress of Martial Arts and Combat Sports) and in Warsaw (on excellent event organized by Maciej Talaga), waiting for the possibility of meeting John Clements, but to no avail. ARMA Director – the person who issued a challenge, set the dates and place – was missing, and, more importantly, to this day has not shown any intent to pursue this issue to its resolution.

However, coming from the nation with long tradition of gentlemanly and honourable conduct, we take such challenges to heart, and do not consider them trifle matters.

Thereby we wish to inform anyone whom it might concern, that whenever John Clements comes to Europe to hold a seminar, some of us still intend to take him up on the challenge that he himself issued and failed to live up to, hoping sincerely that he will not withdraw again.

Jan Chodkiewicz, Fechtschule Gdańsk, Vice-president of FEDER

Krzysztof Kruczyński, former Chief of ARMA-PL, Vice-president of FEDER

Maciej Talaga, Chief of ARMA-PL

Bartłomiej Walczak, founder and former Chief of ARMA-PL

Adam Marek, President of FEDER – Polish Federation of Historical European Martial Arts

Tomasz Maziarz, Ringschule Wrocław, Vice-president of FEDER

Marcin Surdel, Vectir Gliwice, Vice-president of FEDER



ARMA Poland Chief Krzysztof Kruczyński Resignation
febuary 2010


(this is a corrected translation of the original post, a link below leads to the original version of translation)

Welcome,

And goodbye. On the 7th of February I officially resigned from membership in ARMA and as a consequence I am not the ARMA-PL chief anymore.

What convinced me to make such a sudden and unexpected decision? The person of John Clements. His lack of modesty was very hard to me and finally become unbearable. John, who without doubts has knowledge and skills, didn’t let himself be verified. He closed himself in his Organization and does not let in anybody from other organizations, and for his students it is hard to beat their Master. So John is “invincible” and likes to underscore that. Personally it bothers me, I was raised in a different way.

Also what is worrying me is the direction in which ARMA drifts. I don’t see any specific goal which my ex-School wants achieve. I agree that sometimes a breakthrough discovery happens, i.e. frequens motus is really good and helpful in combat. The problem is that I was learning the same stuff a year earlier at the FEDER Camp in Srebrna Góra. And nobody tried to keep it secret.

The Big Secret, meaning the ARMA concealment of its “breakthrough” discoveries was another aspect which tired me. Everything was confidential and nothing could be told to anyone. Personally my opinion is that it is the sharing of knowledge that is the key to reconstruct HEMA, no matter the logo that someone wears. (…)

KK Resignation PDF

John Clements ARMA Director Challenge
febuary 2010


(emphasis added)

(...)

Since you have absurdly asserted publicly that I, who have been practicing
martial arts literally since before you were born, am somehow avoiding encounters with outsiders, I invite you to come and match me in person when I visit Poland in September 2010. Bring anyone you choose. I will show you exactly why I am the expert I am at armed fighting arts --- something I might point out has been attested to both on video and in audio by the very ex students now influencing you.

I look forward to crossing weapons with anyone who questions the skills I have demonstrated in 14 countries and which have earned me the reputation I have --- the same expertise which trained the very people whose spell you have now sadly fallen under.

So, if the new anti-ARMA mantra by disgruntled and bitter ex members is to be that I am avoiding sparring non members, bring it on. It will be fun to see who avoids whom.

(...)

J.C Answer PDF

ARMA–PL Forum topic
Best regards

further there is a 6 page thread of nerds bitching about him not being 'knightly' here: https://archive.is/zfA3a

A key point of contention is that Clements published numerous articles on his website decrying the rest of the fencing community as 'children playing a tag game' and was openly contemptible of their work as lacking scholarly merit. ARMA worked from a book that he claimed to have put together from classic histoorical manuals however for years this document was kept private within the club. Eventually he published it and a copy fell into the hands of the Martinez's. Unlike in the USA a living lineage did survive for classic or military fencing in europe- cavalry of both the UK, France , hungary, austria and germany were all expexted to be able to fence in a military context as late as 1918 and later in some areas. Though greatly reduced these schools survived intact until the present day albeit only barely. Mr and Mrs Martinez are from this background and probably the best swordsman and woman in the world. The couple released a scathing review of clements book here: http://www.classicalfencing.com/articles/martinez_review.php
A blow to his reputation from which he never truly recovered.

A widely mocked video of clements is the source of a Fleht of the strehng meme one occasionally sees on Sword forums:

I mentioned weeaboos are a problem- few fit the stereotype better than Billy. Obese self described 'badass' and horribly autistic this manchild makes videos of him cutting various objects with his katana. He has a lively and busy youtube channel and for a long time i was sure he was a hoax.
Obv he's talking shite.

For anyone wanting less autistic videos on this stuff Matt Easton @Scholagladiatora is quite good.
 
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I mentioned weeaboos are a problem- few fit the stereotype better than Billy. Obese self described 'badass' and horribly autistic this manchild makes videos of him cutting various objects with his katana. He has a lively and busy youtube channel and for a long time i was sure he was a hoax.
Obv he's talking shite.

That video of him thrusting with a katana made the sword sperg in me cry.
 
he's also a novellist:
and this classic:


The sad thing is that a medieval zombie apocalypse book could be good, if it was written by someone with actual writing skills and historical knowledge, and without autism. But I'm willing to bet my keyboard that his medieval zombie apocalypse is just an excuse to write a gary stu killing zombies with a sword (probably a katana, too. In medieval Europe.).

And I feel like he is trying to compensate for something with that greatsword...
 
Nice pasta. A true autistic classic.

Why is it that no morbidly obese nerds go around with halberds and glaives and other pole arms?
Oh, they do. It's just a different kind of nerds:

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http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Relic/61986


 
Kinda related, but are there scimitar, mace or warhammer (not the game, the weapon) spergs as well? Or is it mainly swords?
 
Kinda related, but are there scimitar, mace or warhammer (not the game, the weapon) spergs as well? Or is it mainly swords?

In my personal experience anyone wandering around with Maces or other blunt medieval weapons are generally the ones you don't want to piss off. Mostly because you really don't need all that much skill to be terrifying with them. You do need some strength, however.

It seems the spergiest relegate themselves to katanas because they're weeaboos and see them in crap like Bleach and every over anime where they're magical sword-based superweapons rather than the hilariously poor swords they actually are.
 
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