Tabletop Community Watch

[Adamska]

I should have made it more clear. These are more so rumors I just heard, but these rumors came about when TC devs started making discord posts about The Leviathan, so now people are speculating that the next faction to be introduced will be, as I said, naval themed or some sort of deep abyss/lovecraftian themed faction. Though others argue that since Leviathan is the Demon Lord of Envy, it's probably more to do with the Court. So really, it could go two ways.

Oh please tell me that they're going to be ripping off Keith Thompson. I need to know if they're actually going to full-on rip off the Leviathan books.

 

[Average Russian Spy]

Oh please tell me that they're going to be ripping off Keith Thompson. I need to know if they're actually going to full-on rip off the Leviathan books.

Considering the whole Trench Crusade world is built around an actually talented artist's drawings, I doubt they would straight up rip off another artist. I'm sure the TC devs would have no issue with doing such a thing, but I am sure the artist himself wouldn't stoop that low.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Are we entering Star citizen territory? Where you have to release a new ship to get more funding because you spent all you have on broken crap?

 

[p1138]

https://www.trenchcrusade.com/product/pre-order-carcass-front/

So there it is. $130 for 11 minis, a pile of cards, book, little map, and a thin scenario pamphlet.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

https://www.trenchcrusade.com/product/pre-order-carcass-front/

So there it is. $130 for 11 minis, a pile of cards, book, little map, and a thin scenario pamphlet.
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hey its a good time to bring back my sperg post comparing other starter sets. To be very slightly fair, it also has terrain, but a fucking scenario map being a fancy A2 poster board instead of a simple download is asinine

Note that Trench Crusade's miniature agnosticism and free rulebook technically would make it cheaper, but not at all affordable or viable for LGS-es selling constant churns of merchandise for it. Currently, if buying official, it is a much worse deal than even Killteam.

Killteam's has an actual mat, is 18 bucks cheaper, only has two less models, (but they're space marines instead of jobbers from the pilgrims and heretic legion). Frostgrave et al are also cheaper, the only one it has more value over is BLKOUT, which is a truly niche indie game thats more boutique, Mantic still has almost double the models for 2 bucks less, game mats, dice and the tokens

 

[p1138]

To be very slightly fair, it also has terrain,

I guess that is mentioned on the preorder page, but not shown so that could mean anything.

All the elements you’ll need to fight your campaigns are provided, including a selection of terrain pieces, record sheets, and a premium A2 poster map that
you can use to track the progress of your Warbands.

There's no clear images showing what the terrain is. Cardboard punch sheets? Plastic? How much? The current Kill Team starter comes with printed MDF that slots together, but they also show it.

I also had to go back and read, the TC starter comes with 16 models not 11. They just show 11... again not showing what actually comes in the box. Why the fuck is this so difficult? You have a product, show what the fuck is actually included?

 

[Bœuf Bourguignon]

https://www.trenchcrusade.com/product/pre-order-carcass-front/

So there it is. $130 for 11 minis, a pile of cards, book, little map, and a thin scenario pamphlet.
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That's a hefty price for not rven having the core rulebook attached. And I don't see what kind of terrain is included.

the only one it has more value over is BLKOUT, which is a truly niche indie game thats more boutique,

With their new starter set I can agree. BLKOUT is really expensive. Their old one, however, was OKish. Had 18 minis, the rule"book" and actual plastic tokens and markers. Even the cardboardboxes for the teams were good and sturdy quality that can be used for storage and transport and looked good. Still expensive, but I considere that a better starter kit quality and price-wise.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Compare the new kings of war starter to this. You get 60 models for the same cost. 20 of them are troll sized. 11 minis if a joke.

I got some Gundam assemble minis. They're very simple to put together. Basically the torso comes in 2 parts and the rest is complete bits you add on. Entire leg, entire backpack etc. They're quite large and quality seems good. Not sure they're going to be good game pieces but they're easy to build. You could build one in 5 minutes if you did no clean up work.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

That's a hefty price for not rven having the core rulebook attached. And I don't see what kind of terrain is included.


With their new starter set I can agree. BLKOUT is really expensive. Their old one, however, was OKish. Had 18 minis, the rule"book" and actual plastic tokens and markers. Even the cardboardboxes for the teams were good and sturdy quality that can be used for storage and transport and looked good. Still expensive, but I considere that a better starter kit quality and price-wise.

I think BLKOUT still seems to have an edge because you atleast get two full forces out of it, like the last TC boxset you do get your full 700 ducat starter warbands but only if you upgrade your mooks to fuck, as far as im seeing, ill do an autistic calc to see if my theory holds true for this set also

 

[Buckaroo]

There's no clear images showing what the terrain is. Cardboard punch sheets? Plastic? How much? The current Kill Team starter comes with printed MDF that slots together, but they also show it.

There's a few pieces of scatter terrain in the pictures, but if that's the terrain included then that's worthless for gaming.

 

[Ghostse]

There's a few pieces of scatter terrain in the pictures, but if that's the terrain included then that's worthless for gaming.

Haha, that's where they got you, sucker.
Like anyone is going to actually use any of the shit in the box for actually playing a game.

Everyone knows gaming stores are full of chuds and complicit in murdering Muslims and Trannies.
*local game store has rainbow and deranged pederast flags, I STAND WITH PALESTINE sign, still only get gaming tat from Kickstarter*

 

[MazonLabs Recruitment Rep]

hey its a good time to bring back my sperg post comparing other starter sets. To be very slightly fair, it also has terrain, but a fucking scenario map being a fancy A2 poster board instead of a simple download is asinine

Killteam's has an actual mat, is 18 bucks cheaper, only has two less models, (but they're space marines instead of jobbers from the pilgrims and heretic legion). Frostgrave et al are also cheaper, the only one it has more value over is BLKOUT, which is a truly niche indie game thats more boutique, Mantic still has almost double the models for 2 bucks less, game mats, dice and the tokens

Another one;
Deadzone boxed set.
Two skirmish armies (24 figs total)
Mat
2 softcover books
Lots of terrain
Dice.
Roughly same price I think.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Another one;
Deadzone boxed set.
Two skirmish armies (24 figs total)
Mat
2 softcover books
Lots of terrain
Dice.
Roughly same price I think.

that was included in my comparison already, it and KoW have some pretty good value for the boxsets as a whole, some slightly less unorthodox aesthetics though

 

[p1138]

There's a few pieces of scatter terrain in the pictures, but if that's the terrain included then that's worthless for gaming.

Sure but for some reason they can't simply show a picture of what the hell is included in the box like every other company manages to do. I shouldn't need to be guessing what they mean by terrain or which models have duplicates or whatever. This isn't 1995 doing mail order with few if any images from a printed price list in a magazine.

 

[MazonLabs Recruitment Rep]

that was included in my comparison already, it and KoW have some pretty good value for the boxsets as a whole, some slightly less unorthodox aesthetics though

KZ would be average value by today's standards if it weren't for the terrain though. It put it over the top as pretty good.

Blood and Plunder also isn't too shabby for 100 bucks.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Is it controversial to say I think $100s for a starter set is pushing it already? It's a lot of money to invest in a game you may not like. I know this is a hobby and we spend money on it, but the board game and tabletop space is getting ridiculous. Dawn of war is always going to be a cheaper overall investment, but having to spend 3 figures to try a game makes me very hesitant to buy into anything.

 

[MazonLabs Recruitment Rep]

Is it controversial to say I think $100s for a starter set is pushing it already? It's a lot of money to invest in a game you may not like. I know this is a hobby and we spend money on it, but the board game and tabletop space is getting ridiculous. Dawn of war is always going to be a cheaper overall investment, but having to spend 3 figures to try a game makes me very hesitant to buy into anything.

It is. Unfortunately, the grading curve is so bad these days that 100 bucks is considered just about standard, if not a tad bit below. It's also a reason I wish game stores did more "Hey, come and try this game, see if you like it!" demos. Seems like they were so much more frequent back then. Hell, I remember someone at Historicon of all places running demo games with the starter box of 2nd Ed. 40k just to let people have a taste.

 

[Dead Lion]

Battletech deserves an honourable mention in the starter box debate.

You can get going for 40 dollars, 70 for the premium experience. Works across two different systems.

that was included in my comparison already, it and KoW have some pretty good value for the boxsets as a whole, some slightly less unorthodox aesthetics though

KoW comes with the bonus that you can use their models with WFB/OW without much issue.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Is it controversial to say I think $100s for a starter set is pushing it already? It's a lot of money to invest in a game you may not like. I know this is a hobby and we spend money on it, but the board game and tabletop space is getting ridiculous. Dawn of war is always going to be a cheaper overall investment, but having to spend 3 figures to try a game makes me very hesitant to buy into anything.

i think Wargames being the next big nerd thing skewed prices for alot of people, some of the 100-160 sets are two players though, so if you have someone to split the minis with and maybe keep the rest of the contents at a home or a club then it comes up to 50-80 per person and they usually get either enough minis for a full game or a decent chunk
Warhammer 40k skews it with combat patrols often being barely fractions of "full" points games and the game mode being shit. Spearhead from AOS is a tiny bit better by making Spearhead not a shit game mode, but id imagine the same still applies. The deluge of skimrish slop does lead to some gems that do require lesser amount of minis to shine too,

 

[Kofi Drinka]

It is. Unfortunately, the grading curve is so bad these days that 100 bucks is considered just about standard, if not a tad bit below. It's also a reason I wish game stores did more "Hey, come and try this game, see if you like it!" demos. Seems like they were so much more frequent back then. Hell, I remember someone at Historicon of all places running demo games with the starter box of 2nd Ed. 40k just to let people have a taste.

100-200 seems to be the current rage for board games and I just can't see the value in most of them. I play 1 big war game and then I'll buy very cheap side games. There's just not enough value in any of them to be worth the investment.

i think Wargames being the next big nerd thing skewed prices for alot of people, some of the 100-160 sets are two players though, so if you have someone to split the minis with and maybe keep the rest of the contents at a home or a club then it comes up to 50-80 per person and they usually get either enough minis for a full game or a decent chunk
Warhammer 40k skews it with combat patrols often being barely fractions of "full" points games and the game mode being shit. Spearhead from AOS is a tiny bit better by making Spearhead not a shit game mode, but id imagine the same still applies. The deluge of skimrish slop does lead to some gems that do require lesser amount of minis to shine too,

Covid really shot up the cost of board games and board games with minis in them became popular. So wargaming is pricing it's self inline with covid inflation board games. I'm not one to go "reeee normies!" but that is basically what has fucked up the value in the hobby. Kickstarter hasn't helped where they jack up the RRP and then say 20% retail on kickstarter which is the actual price they want to sell it at.

And we're entering the DLC area now, where every game needs 50 different minor expansion boxes. Here's Gaping butthole expansion, The forgotten dilator, and our extra special as expensive as the base game "Popular character's deluxe battle pass", which is just a normal expansion but you get an extra mini boss and board tile. It's like games are now designed for stretch goals and expansions before the base game is finished. The same digital games are designed with parts missing for DLC.