Tactical gear - Plate carriers, chest rigs, belts, LBE, etc.

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Pretend To Imagine said:
Makes me think of General Butt Naked from the Liberian civil war.
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You need this some night vision goggles and you're 100% golden and he actually survived the entire of the Liberian civil war.
I'll trust this man's opinion on tactical equipment any day rather than a bunch of people who are talking hypotheticals but I can't give you the name of my African witch doctor you gotta get your own .
They only accept payment in gold in the bodies of albinos
 
At the moment I have an Ares Derma, but I really kinda hate the cobra buckles.
I'm probably going to transition to a Shellback SF because the side mounting options are better and it has a lot of cool Utility options.
 
Anyone have any recommendations on a split chest rig that uses First Spear tubes for the front closure? I’m looking at the Carcajou Tactical one, but I don’t even see many other options.
 
What’s a good rig for wilderness trekking/survival. I want something that can keep me safe for 72 hours in the woods. I don’t want to go too heavy but I also don’t want to compromise armor or storage. Preferably something low vis I can either put some shape disruptive netting on. Low IR/Thermal signature is a big bonus but I’m not anticipating the Gravy Seals coming after me.

I’m leaning towards strapped rigs on top of a plate carrier and backpack compared to a monolithic system where I need a kidney belt for weight tolerance but I’m also a retard larper that is new to this stuff.

Ideally the setup no supplies included should run me $1,000 to $2,000 including plate carrier. I plan on buying it as a nice Christmas gift for me, myself, and I.

Oh, waterproof and draining is also a necessity as in a survival scenario I’ll likely be fording the river behind my home which at its lowest runs 4 feet deep.
 
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John Badman said:
What’s a good rig for wilderness trekking/survival. I want something that can keep me safe for 72 hours in the woods. I don’t want to go too heavy but I also don’t want to compromise armor or storage. Preferably something low vis I can either put some shape disruptive netting on. Low IR/Thermal signature is a big bonus but I’m not anticipating the Gravy Seals coming after me.

I’m leaning towards strapped rigs on top of a plate carrier and backpack compared to a monolithic system where I need a kidney belt for weight tolerance but I’m also a retard larper that is new to this stuff.

Ideally the setup no supplies included should run me $1,000 to $2,000 including plate carrier. I plan on buying it as a nice Christmas gift for me, myself, and I.

Oh, waterproof and draining is also a necessity as in a survival scenario I’ll likely be fording the river behind my home which at its lowest runs 4 feet deep.
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What sort of physical condition are you in? A lot of what you posted is at odds with each other.

In a survival scenario, you would ditch plates for more food and water.

Get at backpack and put some weight in it, then go for a hike
 
John Badman said:
What’s a good rig for wilderness trekking/survival. I want something that can keep me safe for 72 hours in the woods.
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I don't know what you mean by "keep me safe for 72 hours". Does body armor have a cooldown timer like in a video game?
John Badman said:
Low IR/Thermal signature is a big bonus
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It's NIR reflectivity. If you want low thermal signature buy a space blanket and sew it into a ghillie suit cape.
John Badman said:
I’m leaning towards strapped rigs on top of a plate carrier and backpack compared to a monolithic system where I need a kidney belt for weight tolerance but I’m also a retard larper that is new to this stuff.
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If you intend on hiking around in the shit long term then a belt and suspenders rig is going to be better than a plate carrier with pouches all over it.
John Badman said:
Oh, waterproof and draining is also a necessity as in a survival scenario I’ll likely be fording the river behind my home which at its lowest runs 4 feet deep.
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Any decent pouch will have a little grommet at the bottom for draining. Avoid the high speed low drag open top pouches (except for maybe a single spare mag somewhere convenient, for example with subsonic rounds if you run a can) because that shit only works on the gun range. If you're buying closed top pouches try to buy ones you can open and close with minimal noise (not ginormous RIPPPPPPs of Velcro). Again, for a survival situation, you should be minimizing how audible you are, doing most anything.
 
VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
I don't know what you mean by "keep me safe for 72 hours". Does body armor have a cooldown timer like in a video game?

It's NIR reflectivity. If you want low thermal signature buy a space blanket and sew it into a ghillie suit cape.

If you intend on hiking around in the shit long term then a belt and suspenders rig is going to be better than a plate carrier with pouches all over it.

Any decent pouch will have a little grommet at the bottom for draining. Avoid the high speed low drag open top pouches (except for maybe a single spare mag somewhere convenient, for example with subsonic rounds if you run a can) because that shit only works on the gun range. If you're buying closed top pouches try to buy ones you can open and close with minimal noise (not ginormous RIPPPPPPs of Velcro). Again, for a survival situation, you should be minimizing how audible you are, doing most anything.
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I run Velcro on mag pouches. If I’m going for a reload, the rip noise of Velcro is the least of my problems regarding noise.
 
The more things change, the more they remain the same. Straight from the SVO zone, ballistic complex "Samurai" is designed to provide protection against shrapnel and probably pistol rounds, offering better coverage than a regular cock flap.



How it integrates with other equipment:


From https://t.me/ratnoe_delo/697
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTSuqYpo7-A
 
Does anyone know of any Black Friday deals for technical clothing? I picked up a surplus massif combat quarter zip for $75 and a pair of vertex recon x pants both in OCP to blend with my multicam plate carrier. I’m looking for something more low key civilian looking that I can also throw on under my kit this winter so I don’t LARP at the range 24/7.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
Opinions on Load Bearing Vest vs. Chest Rig vs. Battle Belt vs. Web Gear?
I've yet to use a standalone battle belt but the rest are all pretty terrible in their own way. Seems like it's similar to web gear minus the pain from suspenders.
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All depends on what you're doing. I will say wayyyy to many people think plate carriers are the be all end all. They're great for CQB shit and vehicles (if you add padding to your seat behind you lower back) but if you're going to run around in the woods in 90 degree heat you're going to be a heat casualty. I've seen it happen to very strong guys, even ex and current military. PCs have zero venting and 10 pounds of extra weight is more than it sounds.

If you like you're gear, throw it all on, go out doors (with rifle if possible) and run around. Get tired, sweat, pretend to shoot your rifle where able and actually shoot it where able (legally). You WILL find problems. Sometimes you'll find that your platform is entirely wrong for your area and what you'll be doing.


I personally like my surplus eagle H harness. It's extremely flexible, if a bit heavy and overbuilt. You can kit it out like a basic belt kit or ramp it all the way up to a 24 hour kit with a mild sleep system if you put a MAP pack and a huge butt pack on it. It is very heavy if you do thst though. I've since ditched the map pack so I can wear a ruck sack and drop it, but if you're in a vehicle the map pack is perfect for water carriage.
 
Bros, the government and big helmet don't want you to know this, but Cold War-era steel helmets block 5G radiation much better than any tinfoil hat.
 
I'm rocking a swimmer cut carrier with level III steel plates and a IIIA helmet. Would love some bestgunnit style quad nods but definitely not in the budget at the moment, IR floodlights are a decent option for home defense at least. I should probably get a set of ceramic level IV plates, but I think I would get a full size carrier for them. The swimmer's cut is great for mobility but leaves some pretty big gaps in some vital spots. I also have a concealable IIIA/stab vest in case I have to go to the city (never been worn yet).

What's everyone's opinion on armor for extremities? I have seen armor for the legs, arms, groin, and face. I get chin armor for spalling from a hit to your front plate, but is it worth armoring my nuts? Obviously a bullet to the junk will be a big problem even with armor, so I guess it's mostly for shrapnel.
 
Hantavirus said:
What's everyone's opinion on armor for extremities? I have seen armor for the legs, arms, groin, and face. I get chin armor for spalling from a hit to your front plate, but is it worth armoring my nuts? Obviously a bullet to the junk will be a big problem even with armor, so I guess it's mostly for shrapnel.
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i have thought about cumber band plates, but i don't think its worth it.
i really just have a plate carrier as a way to keep mags and other gear all together in an easy to grab package, for what im not sure, but i have it all together.
this is why i have put more effort into just having a good belt with a few mag carriers and a good holster. it would be easier to carry around if i needed to in such a situation and i can wear it on the range without getting looked at like some mall ninja.
 
French Dip said:
I will say wayyyy to many people think plate carriers are the be all end all. They're great for CQB shit and vehicles (if you add padding to your seat behind you lower back) but if you're going to run around in the woods in 90 degree heat you're going to be a heat casualty.
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Yup. Plate carriers are good if you're going to be mostly stationary or in a vehicle, but if you're going to be moving on foot a lot, there are better options. I know everyone loves chest rigs, but those don't breathe very well and trap heat, which sucks in hot weather. I've become a fan of belt kit / webbing / PLCE / jungle kit / whatever people are calling it now. America moved away from this sort of thing during the GWOT, but the Brits and Aussies are still rocking it. I think the Russians are still using the SMERSH here and there? The only downside to belt kit is that you need to carefully choose a pack to pair with it, since you want a pack that will sit nicely on top of the rear pouches or butt pack.

You can still wear a plate carrier with belt kit too, as long as the belt harness you're using isn't overly padded. If you need to, you can keep a slick carrier in your pack, and take it out and put it on when you're expecting a fight. You do need to avoid thick shoulder pads on the carrier though, since you'll be 3 shoulder straps deep with the pack straps over carrier straps over harness straps.

Belt kit isn't for everyone though. Very V-shaped guys with slim waists might struggle with fitting everything they'd easily fit on a chest rig.
 
Samhain said:
Yup. Plate carriers are good if you're going to be mostly stationary or in a vehicle, but if you're going to be moving on foot a lot, there are better options. I know everyone loves chest rigs, but those don't breathe very well and trap heat, which sucks in hot weather. I've become a fan of belt kit / webbing / PLCE / jungle kit / whatever people are calling it now. America moved away from this sort of thing during the GWOT, but the Brits and Aussies are still rocking it. I think the Russians are still using the SMERSH here and there? The only downside to belt kit is that you need to carefully choose a pack to pair with it, since you want a pack that will sit nicely on top of the rear pouches or butt pack.

You can still wear a plate carrier with belt kit too, as long as the belt harness you're using isn't overly padded. If you need to, you can keep a slick carrier in your pack, and take it out and put it on when you're expecting a fight. You do need to avoid thick shoulder pads on the carrier though, since you'll be 3 shoulder straps deep with the pack straps over carrier straps over harness straps.

Belt kit isn't for everyone though. Very V-shaped guys with slim waists might struggle with fitting everything they'd easily fit on a chest rig.
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I like everything about LBE except trying to use a pistol with it.
 
Samhain said:
Yup. Plate carriers are good if you're going to be mostly stationary or in a vehicle, but if you're going to be moving on foot a lot, there are better options. I know everyone loves chest rigs, but those don't breathe very well and trap heat, which sucks in hot weather. I've become a fan of belt kit / webbing / PLCE / jungle kit / whatever people are calling it now. America moved away from this sort of thing during the GWOT, but the Brits and Aussies are still rocking it. I think the Russians are still using the SMERSH here and there? The only downside to belt kit is that you need to carefully choose a pack to pair with it, since you want a pack that will sit nicely on top of the rear pouches or butt pack.

You can still wear a plate carrier with belt kit too, as long as the belt harness you're using isn't overly padded. If you need to, you can keep a slick carrier in your pack, and take it out and put it on when you're expecting a fight. You do need to avoid thick shoulder pads on the carrier though, since you'll be 3 shoulder straps deep with the pack straps over carrier straps over harness straps.

Belt kit isn't for everyone though. Very V-shaped guys with slim waists might struggle with fitting everything they'd easily fit on a chest rig.
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America went to plate carriers because in the desert wars they were doing a lot of urban warfare where they were more likely to get shot, and where they had vehicles stationed nearby. It's also why a lot of vetbros came back telling everyone that 6 mags was a standard combat load. When you kick in a door and clear a house, you're not going through 6 mags, and you can get more out of your hummvee when you're done with that house. Plate carriers are great for quick, vehicle-born actions, or sentries. Our soldiers are probably moving back to belt kit, just like they're painting all the tan tanks back to green. We got super specialized for one specific conflict. Carriers can be used in many niches in any conflict but they aren't the baseline.
 
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