Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

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76 people out, 40 in. Overall the Brits say they've done 1200, 300 of whom are UK citizens. This is out of a total of ~6k UK citizens in and around Kabul (and who knows how many in Herat and other cities).

These itty bitty numbers, <100 people per plane, are what we've been seeing all day. And they haven't been succeeding at 1 plane per hour...at peak times, sure, they've even exceeded that, but not every hour of the day. Not even close.

These are not the kinds of numbers that will allow NATO members to retrieve all of their countrymen. A lot of people are going to be left behind. Even the fucking Guardian is running the story that the US may pull out within days and abandon this operation altogether. If that actually comes to pass, America is doomed.

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Like it's a stupid fucking example but that Genshin impact game that's huge right now doesn't allow players to mention hong kong or taiwan. And since china's gaining control of other games companies like epic, i think it's totally possible for it to spread beyond to social media or anywhere else they feel they can get a hold.
Another example to add, the shenanigans with one of the GMs in the NBA tweeting in support of Hong Kong and the entire god damned circus act came down on him and made him apologize and the most popular player (who makes hundreds of millions from China) literally spouting out a variation of "it's their culture and we shouldn't meddle in it when we don't know anything".
While some people have said 5000 evacuated so far, I seriously do not believe that is possible based on the combined air traffic over the last several days. I believe they may reach a total of 5000 in the next 24 hours, but it's hard to believe they were even close at the earlier briefing where that figure was given. I think we're being straight-up lied to and everyone's getting out of town and trying not to be left with the hot potato.
This makes me wonder if part of the plan is to completely smother any communications, abandon some Americans, and claim that they brought everyone back. Given the disregard for people's safety in the notices the State Department sent out to people outside of Kabul, this seems to be in the realm of possibility.
 
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76 people out, 40 in. Overall the Brits say they've done 1200, 300 of whom are UK citizens. This is out of a total of ~6k UK citizens in and around Kabul (and who knows how many in Herat and other cities).

These itty bitty numbers, <100 people per plane, are what we've been seeing all day. And they haven't been succeeding at 1 plane per hour...at peak times, sure, they've even exceeded that, but not every hour of the day. Not even close.

These are not the kinds of numbers that will allow NATO members to retrieve all of their countrymen. A lot of people are going to be left behind. Even the fucking Guardian is running the story that the US may pull out within days and abandon this operation altogether. If that actually comes to pass, America is doomed.

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Who the hell was dumb enough to be hanging out there when the withdrawal date was already known? Tbh I have trouble feeling sorry for them.

This makes me wonder if part of the plan is to completely smother any communications, abandon some Americans, and claim that they brought everyone back. Given the disregard for people's safety in the notices the State Department sent out to people outside of Kabul.
How do you prevent the Taliban from putting their heads on spikes as proof of your failure, though?
 
Who the hell was dumb enough to be hanging out there when the withdrawal date was already known? Tbh I have trouble feeling sorry for them.


How do you prevent the Taliban from putting their heads on spikes as proof of your failure, though?
Hell, the more embarrassing thing for the US is if the Taliban gives them to the US, (relatively) safe and sound, if they abandon a lot of people on the ground.
 
How do you prevent the Taliban from putting their heads on spikes as proof of your failure, though?
>russian misinformation
>fact check by "experts"
>right-wing propaganda
>extremely convenient "distraction"
Take your pick.

Given how much happens on twitter with the general population being none-the-wiser, it wouldn't be too hard for them to bury anything the Taliban puts on the internet. As a kiwi user you're probably aware of the completely out in the open pedo rings on twitter. As much as I loathe to say, a lot of this depends on whether the corporate media (and I mean specifically CNN/NBC/ABC, no one likes Fox anymore) actually turn on this administration. They more or less sucked his dick into office and I'm wondering how far they would go to keep owning the "white supremacists" and "trumptards".
 
I have no doubt that there is a media blackout and CIA niggers are commiting acts of cyber sabotage to stop as much footage and information from escaping.

I also have no doubt there are already dead Americans that we will not hear about for months.

Not saying this hasn't happened, but is it possible that their telecom networks have crumbled, either from lack of staff and/or overloaded networks? I have NFI from a low level how these kinds of networks are maintained / kept running... But just a thought
 
>russian misinformation
>fact check by "experts"
>right-wing propaganda
>extremely convenient "distraction"
Take your pick.

Given how much happens on twitter with the general population being none-the-wiser, it wouldn't be too hard for them to bury anything the Taliban puts on the internet. As a kiwi user you're probably aware of the completely out in the open pedo rings on twitter. As much as I loathe to say, a lot of this depends on whether the corporate media (and I mean specifically CNN/NBC/ABC, no one likes Fox anymore) actually turn on this administration. They more or less sucked his dick into office and I'm wondering how far they would go to keep owning the "white supremacists" and "trumptards".
This shouldn't be partisan. Rep. got us into the war as shit as possible to start with, dems let it keep going, rep. started getting us out at a terrible time in a shit way, dems kept that going too. There's more than enough blame to go around.
 
This shouldn't be partisan. Rep. got us into the war as shit as possible to start with, dems let it keep going, rep. started getting us out at a terrible time in a shit way, dems kept that going too. There's more than enough blame to go around.
Fair point. Leaving out the partisanship, the media (both sides) has plenty of practice hiding stuff through failing to report or through misrepresention. Even they have some blame for this shitshow since they all helped the gov't justify the initial deployment and continued presence until it started crumbling around them.
 
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Already there is problems occuring with this air lift. Namely that space is limited and resources don't exist. In Doha (pictured) they have already run out of cots and the only food they have is MRE, with potentially upwards of 100k more people being airlifted out.
There is not a chance in hell 100,000 Afghanis helped us even over 20 years. I'm not even sure it'd be that high if you include entire families. Where is this 100k number coming from? I don't find it hard to believe but there are a decent number of non-Afghani over there who need to get out of Talibanland in a hurry, so what's the deal?

Also who the fuck cares about cots if you just escaped possible death and living under Sharia law?
 
This makes me wonder if part of the plan is to completely smother any communications, abandon some Americans, and claim that they brought everyone back. Given the disregard for people's safety in the notices the State Department sent out to people outside of Kabul, this seems to be in the realm of possibility.
Wouldn't that be a little risky for PR just in case some other country decides to go in and get some of their people and happens to liberate some americans while they were doing that?
 
So we trained a fighting force of 300,000 Afghani men with good weapons and gear and training programs and paid them money. Then it turned out, were disloyal at the first potential opportunity and gave over everything the US put in arm's reach to their Taliban cousin and his entourage.

Now, we're supposed to believe there is a group of 100,000 Afghan civilians who were "working for us" as well, and that because they've done so well "working for us" and being trained by us, we should definitely fly them all back to our nice developed nations.

I'm sure none of these guys are doublecrossers more loyal to their local warlord than the US government. All the doublecrossers were the ones we gave guns to. The ones we didn't give guns to before are honest, hardworking people who would never betray us.
 
So we trained a fighting force of 300,000 Afghani men with good weapons and gear and training programs and paid them money. Then it turned out, were disloyal at the first potential opportunity and gave over everything the US put in arm's reach to their Taliban cousin and his entourage.

Now, we're supposed to believe there is a group of 100,000 Afghan civilians who were "working for us" as well, and that because they've done so well "working for us" and being trained by us, we should definitely fly them all back to our nice developed nations.

I'm sure none of these guys are doublecrossers more loyal to their local warlord than the US government. All the doublecrossers were the ones we gave guns to. The ones we didn't give guns to before are honest, hardworking people who would never betray us.
It the afghani that military bribed & helped for intel & other work.
 
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Tucker was discussing the elites who want to import refugees and showed a clip where they admitted to Afghani refugees fucking up Pakistan.

This administration is what happens when voters dropped accountability for having nobles rule over them. The democrat voter was guilt tripped and brow beaten into voting Biden. Nancy will not impeach him even with this fuck up.
 
OPEC will likely reassess its policy of only accepting the US Dollar and likely add in the Yuan... not immediately, but some time over the 2020s.

OPEC will not, except for huge, HUGE shift in middle east politics that sees the Saudis lose nearly all clout, shift away from the dollar. But they will threaten it, especially now that Biden has fucked the US's energy independence. In the 2nd half of the Trump years the US was net-exporting petroleum product - OPEC could have embargoed us and we could have told them to pound sand, we don't need them.

Now they have a dollar shift as a political weapon.

China would not mandate Yuan transactions except as a dick waving contest with the US. they have sufficient Dollar & Gold reserves to oil trade with Iran.

Iran Pipeline does not really change the US foreign outlook w/r/t China. It arguably improves it, especially if it means that China stops/reverses oil import facilities in their ports and they have a very vulnerable target. China has pipelines to Russia, an oil pipeline isn't a big deal.

What this DOES change is political calculus with Iran. Iran now has a trading partner who is willing to flout international norms to the point even Russia is like "Whoa, slow down, rules exist for a reason dude". But more importantly for Iran, this means China now has a huge stake in Iran's functioning and territorial integrity.
It could be the first step to China entering into the great game forever war.


The true goal of this remains the same as ever, they're going to air lift out as many Afghani as possible, they've deliberately chosen two "swing" states to dump them, Wisconsin and Texas, the democrats have no intention of appealing to voters, they're just going to import them. The border is open and they're chartering buses and military flights for these migrants and sending them deep into the interior with this explicit goal in mind. By halting this farce the Taliban would actually be doing the voters a favor.

Supposedly the hope is that the North Alliance resurges soon and the refugees can be repatrioted.
There is no rainbow big enough. So yeah, dumb a bunch of retards into swing states. "You aren't allowed to vote, winkwink but also we're making sure no one can stop you. BTW if Dems don't win every election you're going back to Fuckfuckistan. Lates."

aliban already had something near 60-70% of the country under their control and all of the major highways were contested or fully co

The Taliban, if Biden had held to the time table, probably would have stuck to the argeement. A guaranteed 70% of the country is a safer bet than a gamble at attacking. And there is
 
Tucker was discussing the elites who want to import refugees and showed a clip where they admitted to Afghani refugees fucking up Pakistan.

This administration is what happens when voters dropped accountability for having nobles rule over them. The democrat voter was guilt tripped and brow beaten into voting Biden. Nancy will not impeach him even with this fuck up.
How exactly is this outcome Biden's fault, first and foremost? 20 years of failure led up to this moment
 
How exactly is this outcome Biden's fault, first and foremost? 20 years of failure led up to this moment

Biden was given an agreement with the Taliban to be out May 1. He didn't hold to it. He fucked up.

In addition to this fuck up, with 10,000+ american absolute morons citizens in county, he was off having a silver alert moment at Camp David, not even issuing a statement until the weekend was over.

He did not have infrastructure to protect americans. He allowed the state department to maintain full staffing levels and documents - didn't make any efforts to premptively reduce staff or get important documents out in diplomatic pouches. He had 5 months of presidency, and 3 months after he broke the agreement to have done this. No travel advisory was issued to Americans that "hey fucknuts, we said we'd be out by now, Taliban might be testy, might want to have a plan to boogie" because he was LARPign the Afghan government wasn't a complete shit show despite all reports saying 'yeah, 90% of these guys aren't all that dedicatedof fighters in the first place, and they haven't been paid since march so they are not going to take fire for some fags in Kabul'.

The issue with the collaborators was unavoidable; most of them didn't want to leave and only want to leave now because it is necessary: I keep reminding faggots in this thread the Taliban are not fucking with foriegners, but they ARE hanging them some locals. But that was no excuse for leaving thousands of citizens in the lurch, even if those citizens are fucking idiots.
But really the State Department should take the blame. Our Ambassador and the SecState should be roasted alive before congress. But they won;t, because Pelosi is a party whore who will only leave office when she dies, and that's a toss up.
 
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