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this is why the Romans practiced decimation and crucifixion
Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.
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bet things would turn out different if Biden did this with Hunter and a field with almost all the ANA:
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They'd seriously be safer back in Kabul. I would not wish being relocated to St. Louis on my worst enemy.
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Well for one thing, the taliban have ALWAYS had problems in securing rule. Right now it’s just super obvious because it’s early, and the shock is making militia groups not exactly the most eager to fight. What’s sort of coming out now is that the President of Afghanistan may have been in talks with the Taliban since Trump announced his pullout plans, to save his own fucking ass. He’s the one that said there’d be a transitional government and ordered afghani troops to throw down their arms, then took his money and ran. He also demobilized a bunch of militia ahead of this.
The reason the Shia militias are likely to be successful is that they have a state sponsor right across the border, who they not only happily trust, but also coordinate closely with. Give them time. The situation is still developing, and they control the countryside. Iran will only tolerate the taliban for so long. The Sunni extremism of the Taliban will lead to conflict in the west of the country.
Here’s stuff to note about the Taliban advance and this whole peace deal bruhaha, that a lot of people ignore
Nothing in Trump’s peace deal had anything about us supporting the Afghan government forcefully. It was entirely about us pulling out and an agreement that they wouldn’t attack us as we pulled out. This essentially gave the taliban time to bribe, threaten, and negotiate with local warlords and the Afghan government. It also made the ANA morale completely fall apart. They knew since last February that we were going to abandon them. And rather than fight to the death for a central government that wasn’t going to pay them, they chose not to fight, were ordered not to fight, or just deserted. A lot of ANA guys are currently gone to ground and probably will form into guerilla units eventually to resist the taliban government. Plenty of the commandos and other hardcore anti-Taliban fighters are rallying around the Panjshir Valley, which will hold out for the rest of the campaign season at the very least and into next year most likely. The Taliban really can’t organize an actual offensive against them, because they a) sort of suck at that and b) they’re busy consolidating power in the cities which will suck up a lot of fighters.
Biden was stuck in a position where he wanted to pull out, but everything was descending into hell. They didn’t know or didn’t want to acknowledge how bad the issues that had been building up over the past year were, and Ghani was also lying his fucking ass off. There were no good options. Surge troops to Afghanistan? Get called a warmongering neocon/neoliberal by everyone bitching about shit here, possibly extend the time we’re fighting by maybe a year or two, and in the end changing basically nothing long term. Delaying the withdrawal by 4 months was not the dumbest idea either. The agreement not to attack US forces by the Taliban meant that we could run down the clock on the campaign season and buy the central government maybe an extra month of life by continuing occupying strategic bases in the country. Getting Americans out of the country could be done before the taliban completely collapsed the army and walked in, was what US military intelligence thought. The situation on the ground was confusing. Some soldiers and intel is saying this others are saying that, it’s a mess. So CENTCOM say, “eh, fuck it, no need to change the basic plan.” We’ve got groups of troops ready in case of an emergency that we can deploy quickly. We’ve got airlift capability on standby, and air support ready to go to delay the fall of Kabul.
They’re making a mistake but it’s not immediately obvious and US forces aren’t getting attacked as they’re withdrawing from the country and turning stuff over to the Afghan army. It’s all looking relatively fine. The government losing some territory in June/July was concerning, but not alarmingly so. It’s only two weeks ago that the alarm bells start going off and the situation becomes even more confusing. It’s at this point that the plan starts breaking down because the time table for everything has to be accelerated. They do have contingency plans in place, and those did get pulled out. This was not Saigon. The ANA didn’t fight block by block and go into a siege like we expected to happen, because Ghani stabbed his country in the fucking back. If there was a siege of Kabul, we’d have had more time to play with. There wasn’t.
We successfully withdrew all embassy staff in Kabul. We weren’t expecting to have to try and secure large sections of the city, just the embassy and then the airport. Because again, we’re expecting a siege. Everyone can move through the city and we have troops we can send into the city without too much risk to fetch people. Holding both Bagram and the airport inside the city wasn’t going to be possible in a hurry, especially if we had to seize one of them from a hostile force and clear the entire place.
Instead the Taliban just stroll on into the capital. Bagram has been isolated. We’re not flying or driving thousands of people across hostile territory that’s surrounded. Just not smart and imagine the shitshow of a helo getting shot down by the Taliban with a bunch of diplomatic staff on it. The downside of Karzi International is that it is in Kabul which means panicked refugees to deal with, but it’s inside Kabul and embassies are pretty close to the airport. We’re able to secure it and start pumping in combat troops to ensure it won’t be overrun, which is the big fucking worry.
Moving more troops into Kabul without slowing the evacuations is not possible. We don’t have enough people there to secure a large section of the city and we don’t want American soldiers getting paraded through the streets mutilated in front of Taliban cameras. We can and have held the airport, because the Taliban don’t want to walk into a free fire zone with 5k troops who fucking know what they are doing and will not surrender, and have air support on close call. The Taliban do not have the artillery to attack the airport and take it out of commission, and deploying it in the city means it’ll be airstriked. It’s a stalemate. We can’t safely press out, but they can’t press in.
This isn’t really the fault of any one individual, and it also is hard to assign degrees of blame for this mess. It’s natural to point fingers right now in the heat of things, but honestly? This isn’t Tehran in ‘79. This isn’t Benghazi. This did not go anywhere in the same zip code as bad as half the people in the thread think would happen and they’ll still bitch about how it’s the worst thing ever. The Afghan government was discouraging people from trying to leave and start a panic, there were and are mistakes that can and should be called out and dissected, but at the moment the situation is stable, not ideal, but stable. Anything big is going to take time to get ready, like say, seizing Bagram in an air assault, and require a bit of a crazy route because of fucking Pakistan.
We’re also not leaving the airport until every American is out or accounted for.
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How the fuck can you still have faith in this administration, lol. Cuck harder bro.
They literally said they aren't prioritizing their own citizens. You can't be this gullible even for all he shit we talk at each other.
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You’re a fucking retard. The embassy staff that isn’t essential is already gone. The rest is at the airport processing everything. We’re also not the only nation evacing people, and the more refugees we clear out the less people that we have to worry about interfering with anything, or feeding or taking care of. What, you just want us to machine gun a crowd of scared civilians afraid for their lives and desperate to escape a horrifically repressive and brutal regime? Great look, with every fucking news crew on the planet paying attention.
Of the ~10k or so people still in the country, we don’t know where all of them are. We recommended they leave a while ago. Some might not want to leave, others might have already left the country before shit hit the fan by land, and scrambling everything to pick up some dumb tourist in Herat will just slow the process of getting everyone out down even further.
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don't care if late, funny story
https://nationalfile.com/twitter-fr...-of-spanish-diplomats-after-government-fails/ (https://archive.vn/0OzlI)
“Nangarhar’s sweet district was completely conquered,” Taliban spokesperson Mansoor Afghan announced on August 14, to which the account @panamach2 reached out to respond using Google translate, “Hello brother, please don’t hurt the Spanish people at the embassy, we were forces in your country by America. We don’t like them either.”
Mansoor Afghan responded in English, “We are human beings, we all respect each other, we don’t say anything to any foreign troops.” The exchange was viewed as somewhat humorous by many Twitter users, with one pointing out that “a guy with a picture of pepe has done more for the spanish people in afghanistan than the spanish government.”
The Associated Press reported on August 13 that the Spanish government had moved to evacuate Spanish nationals after the Taliban began moving to take control of the country. An email from the Spanish government stated that “the advance of Taliban forces in their march towards Kabul,” and that the country would commence “the repatriation of the embassy staff, the Spaniards remaining in the country, and those Afghans and their families who have worked side by side with us.”
It does not appear that the Spanish government was able to establish a direct line of communication with the Taliban to negotiate for the safe passage of its embassy staff, unlike the frog-avatar Twitter user who was able to secure a swift response with just one tweet.
Much of the blame for the chaotic withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan has been placed by experts at the feet of the Biden regime, which moved back the deadline for withdrawal set by President Donald Trump in 2020.
(https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-taliban-8311b42904cb0a44d5a12392c577a840) (the "reported" hyperlinks to this article which is just an obligatory UN statement that will do nothing)
https://nationalfile.com/twitter-fr...-of-spanish-diplomats-after-government-fails/ (https://archive.vn/0OzlI)
A Spanish Twitter account with an Apu Apustaja frog avatar has successfully negotiated with the Taliban for fair and humane treatment of Spanish citizens at the nation’s embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan. The Spanish government had seemingly failed to establish a clear and open line of communication with the Taliban, inspiring the owner of the frog-avatar account to take action.
“Nangarhar’s sweet district was completely conquered,” Taliban spokesperson Mansoor Afghan announced on August 14, to which the account @panamach2 reached out to respond using Google translate, “Hello brother, please don’t hurt the Spanish people at the embassy, we were forces in your country by America. We don’t like them either.”
Mansoor Afghan responded in English, “We are human beings, we all respect each other, we don’t say anything to any foreign troops.” The exchange was viewed as somewhat humorous by many Twitter users, with one pointing out that “a guy with a picture of pepe has done more for the spanish people in afghanistan than the spanish government.”
The Associated Press reported on August 13 that the Spanish government had moved to evacuate Spanish nationals after the Taliban began moving to take control of the country. An email from the Spanish government stated that “the advance of Taliban forces in their march towards Kabul,” and that the country would commence “the repatriation of the embassy staff, the Spaniards remaining in the country, and those Afghans and their families who have worked side by side with us.”
It does not appear that the Spanish government was able to establish a direct line of communication with the Taliban to negotiate for the safe passage of its embassy staff, unlike the frog-avatar Twitter user who was able to secure a swift response with just one tweet.
Much of the blame for the chaotic withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan has been placed by experts at the feet of the Biden regime, which moved back the deadline for withdrawal set by President Donald Trump in 2020.
(https://apnews.com/article/afghanistan-taliban-8311b42904cb0a44d5a12392c577a840) (the "reported" hyperlinks to this article which is just an obligatory UN statement that will do nothing)
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I think everyone knows the reason why Biden did what they did, but it really boggles the mind that he went ahead and did it anyway. Could they not, just this once, give Trump a single sliver of credit for something? They like to suck each other off that the "adults" are back in charge and that they're trying to heal the political divide in the country, well that would have been the perfect time to do it. Guess that being the president to end America's longest war or whatever was too good to not add to Biden's legacy.
I'm pretty sure if Biden said something like, "Trump was a bad dude, but he laid the groundwork getting us out of Afghanistan and I will honor his promise," would have gotten him a lot more respect from Trump's base. Sure it would have pissed off some TDS leftoids, but it's not like they weren't gonna vote Dem forever anyway. Even just sticking to the damn plan and giving a bit of a nod to the previous admin would have done wonders. But nah, they had to be fucking children and move it forward with no fucking plan on 9/11 just so they can pat each other on the back with the symbolism.
Now the whole thing blew up in their faces completely and Biden looks like a fucking moron and America's image is tainted worldwide. All that just for a neat little factoid on the history books that the Afgan war ended on the anniversary of the event that helped kick it off in the first place.
Hope it was worth it.
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Is funny how you go about the consequences of something that was perfectly preventable, at the end of the day is a fact that this disaster happened because the Starbucks central we call the White House wanted to erase anything about Trump, was good or bad it did not matter, and this is the consequences of the "no, i dont believe it will happen" mantra the WH has been doing for months, the other countries also did not leave because they believe the word of the Americans that nothing was going to happen
if they followed the schedule, the MSM would have say that this is a brave decision of the Biden administration to stop the endless war,Biden would appear bragging about how he stopped the endless cycle and get brownie points from the Veterans, everyone would have being evacuated on time and the Talibans would have been playing Fortnite IRL in their little sandbox but at least is not NATO or America problem anymore
Instead you got Farmers of peace, people wanting to leave because the gibs were going to die and the WAPO saying that the Talibans are infinitely better than Trump
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The schedule wasn’t going to happen. Leaving in May was not going to fucking happen. Leaving in may was going to cause as much of a shit show as this one. American forces inside the country as a permanent anti-terrorism task force based in the embassy or some shit. The Trump deal was a decent framework but optimistic and blindsided the Afghan government who were kept out of the talks. Mind you they would have pulled out of the talks most likely anyway but at least the “well we tried” would affect stuff.
Anyway, the Taliban are going to run into the same buzzsaw that killed the communist government before them. The civil war in Afghanistan has not ended, merely entered a new phase.
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it is not the fault of any one individual, you are right about that, but it is pretty simply to assign blame for it - it is a military operation after all, and due to the hierarchical organisation of the military, the blame ultimately lies with the commander in chief, who by definition bears the full responsibility for his subordinates' actions.
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I'm just glad now that our troops are out of Afghanistan, they can fight the Taliban at home!
Jokes aside, if Kamala was more popular, I wonder if the Dems would've used this as a reason for Biden to step down so Kamala could take charge.
Jokes aside, if Kamala was more popular, I wonder if the Dems would've used this as a reason for Biden to step down so Kamala could take charge.
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Its only exactly what the airport crew is doing. If you want to be a professional shill for the Biden administration don't set yourself up to look like a dope. The US has already shot and killed civilians inside the airport multiple times and spends hours a day shooting at the mob of people. The media doesn't report on this kind of stuff any longer, they were given firm instructions during the Iraq war back in 2003 that gore and suffering can only be showcased if the opposition cause it to civilians and they have never changed course from that. The military NEVER gets bad footage put on the MSM and the shitshow going down is exclusively on Twitter and other social media.
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MSM Using "American taliban" as a insult to the right stopped after those actually toppled a government, makes you think
You dont know that but you are right, It did not happen but did not help that the administration never prepared for leaving and believed the goat fuckers would never dare to try, Biden naively believed that the goatfuckers would wait sitting down and playing cards until september to see if they were going to leave?
Considering the short term memory of the average people he moved it to september to make people forget about it, never leave and keep the status quo
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Has a single person of prominence on the left condemned the US military shooting and killing poor brown refugees trying to get out of Afghanistan?
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This was when we had to clear the runway I’m pretty sure, they’re shooting into the air. Gets the message across.
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Who the fuck said anything about killing people you utter lunatic? What the fuck man.
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It was not, they shot at a crowd near one of the entrances and it caused a stampede which killed several. There has been many other incidents inside and outside. US Troops are shooting rifles almost nonstop at the airport along with the NATO troops and Taliban outside who are trying to manage the crowds and keep the roads clear of people so cars can pass.