Careercow Taylor Lorenz - Crybully "journalist", self-appointed Internet Hall Monitor, professional victim, stalks teenagers for e-clout

[Flatline]

You can tell she's 40 from the way she dresses trying to look young

She is widely ridiculed for wearing outfits from "subscription boxes."

 

[H3LLH4MM3R666]

I like how covering GG was such a major event in history. I guess Zoe can never go back in time and change it as it's now a fixed point. She'll always be known as the woman who fucked five (plus) guys for a review. Sucks to be her.

I'd rather read an article from NPR than any place that Taylor wrote for. They're Left Center bias and high factual reporting according to sites that keep track of these things now.

She's just upset that they reported on her calling the President a war criminal (she thinks every president is one) and their article on her leaving Washington Post. As usual, she's just having another tantrum.

The things she said about the press were true, but GG was what made me realize it 10 years ago.

 

[Temperance]

Sounds like things haven't been going so well for TayTay on Substack.


She complains about it being a "walled garden", and she doesn't like that many readers "follow" rather than "subscribe" to Substack blogs. In other words, she's probably not making much money.


Side-note: TayTay supposedly doesn't like top-down moderation, and she also doesn't like downvote buttons.

Funny coming from her, since she loved when "disinformation" and her ideological enemies were being actively censored/deplatformed on social media. Not so fun now that she's had a small taste of it!

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Btw, her previous attacks against Substack for being a "Nazi" platform are still coming back to bite her.




People on Mastodon have been trying to convince her to switch to Ghost. Maybe she'll do it eventually.

Remember how TayTay said she doesn't like top-down moderation? Well, that doesn't stop her from complaining about Nazis and a lack of moderation on Ghost.

John O'Nolan (the Founder/CEO of Ghost) responded to her, and TayTay immediately started apologizing and fawning over him.

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Twitter stuff:

TayTay totally loves being independent now! [COPE]

The "legacy media", grrrrr!


TayTay takes offense at being called a "resistance lib".


Wish she would actually elaborate on her views. It would be really funny if she called herself Antifa or Communist or something.

TayTay whines about conservative commentators making fun of her and not engaging with her "actual journalism".

For anyone wondering, here's a peek at her "actual journalism"... Gee, I wonder why no one cares to comment on any of this junk?


TayTay says that as a young adult, she spent months calling for the assassination of George Bush and never got in trouble for it.

She blames conservatives for modern-day cancel culture ("manufactured outrage"), btw.

For context, she seems to be mad that far-left college kids have been getting in trouble for calling for an Intifada, political assassinations, etc...

Spoiler: Context

TayTay's car was broken into last year, and the thief only bothered to steal her phone charger. Part-and-parcel of living in a city like LA, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Cow-crossover with Milo Yiannopoulos. Decent riposte from TayTay, actually.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

TayTay says that as a young adult, she spent months calling for the assassination of George Bush and never got in trouble for it.

I hate to say it but she's right. Back in the day 15-20+ years ago you could say whatever you wanted online and nobody cared, once normies became terminally online thanks to smartphones it was all over.

 

[In the Sick of It]

For someone obsessed with obscuring her real age so she can pretend like she's in tune with Gen Z internet culture, she sure still types like a woman in her 40s that hasn't figured out that most people stopped using shorthand like "ppl," "abt," etc. Bitch you have a blue checkmark and will post threads that are several tweets long anyway, you don't need to type like you're hammering out a text message on your nokia.

The title of her article about meme costumes and its byline also feels so out of touch, just an excuse to shove the currently popular "brainrot" term into a headline and pretend like people haven't been doing meme costumes for several years now. No, meme costumes aren't "destroying the holiday" nor "helping us process our [lower-case i] internet-mediated reality" it's just fucking Halloween and people's costume ideas come from what they're familiar with. Out of touch hag.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

Cow-crossover with Milo Yiannopoulos. Decent riposte from TayTay, actually.

Credit where credit's due, that's a pretty good dunk (if not terribly original).

 

[Flatline]

She complains about it being a "walled garden", and she doesn't like that many readers "follow" rather than "subscribe" to Substack blogs. In other words, she's probably not making much money.

TayTay supposedly doesn't like top-down moderation, and she also doesn't like downvote buttons.

"It's okay if I moderate and downvote, but it's NOT OKAY if people do it to ME! Did you know I'm disabled, and if someone harasses me online it's equivalent to a hate crime? No? Then you're part of the problem. I'm not here to educate you. You should've read my mind; it's SO EASY! Do better!"

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

I don't think Taylor is smart enough to run her own website to make Ghost really work out for her. She also does a terrible job of advertising herself. Something she'd need to do with Ghost. She can't make it on Substack so there's little reason to believe she can make it there.

 

[just Reading a post]

I don't think Taylor is smart enough to run her own website to make Ghost really work out for her. She also does a terrible job of advertising herself. Something she'd need to do with Ghost. She can't make it on Substack so there's little reason to believe she can make it there.

Not to mention her main complaint seems to be nobody pays her to post her annoying screeds. Who knew getting courting the communist left would result in them being misers with money tay tay.
Now she is switching to an even more underground fediverse thing. That even less people will read. Well it is going to be a good thing in the long run. She will have to go on a avocado toast free diet.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Not to mention her main complaint seems to be nobody pays her to post her annoying screeds. Who knew getting courting the communist left would result in them being misers with money tay tay.
Now she is switching to an even more underground fediverse thing. That even less people will read. Well it is going to be a good thing in the long run. She will have to go on a avocado toast free diet.

Ghost from what I've seen will only allow you to have a maximum of 10k subscribers at their business tier and their lowest tier allows for 500 max which is what she'd be at. You're better off just making your own website and running a Patreon. Hell, you can do better with World Anvil which isn't for journalists but has far far superior options that are cheaper in the long run.

 

[neger psykolog]

She's getting some negative coverage right now after accusing an outlet of printing lies:

https://www.piratewires.com/p/times-taylor-lorenz-has-lied-about-tech-and-people-in-tech

https://archive.md/5D21D

 

[ScooterL]

Side-note: TayTay supposedly doesn't like top-down moderation, and she also doesn't like downvote buttons.

>> "downvote buttons can very easily be weaponized, especially by..conspiracy theorists"

She doesn't understand what irony is.

 

[Temperance]

She's getting some negative coverage right now after accusing an outlet of printing lies:

Here's the original tweet from TayTay:
https://archive.ph/oFa56


I don't know anything about Pirate Wires, but this is funny. Apparently, in TayTay's mind, saying they're "not a journalistic outlet and regularly publishes false information" is just "light media criticism".
https://archive.is/fjCo2

But when the Pirate Wires journo called her out for libel (but also said he wouldn't bother suing), TayTay acted like she was being threatened.

Spoiler: Muh threat

https://archive.ph/3K2R7

I guess Pirate Wires is associated with Peter Thiel?



And now TayTay is grifting off of Elon Musk paying her a crumb of attention:


More arguing:

Spoiler

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Semi-related: Here's another example of Taylor Lorenz's deceptiveness.

Remember when you claimed I controlled the internet archive lmaoo

TayTay really likes putting words in people's mouths. Musk didn't say she "controlled the Internet Archive".
His claims were that (1) her uncle owned it and that (2) information about TayTay was deleted from IA out of nepotism.

• "Her uncle owns IA"is false, but not totally off-base. The true information was garbled by a game of telephone on Twitter.
  • Taylor Lorenz's uncle (Roger Macdonald) was the founder of the Internet Archive's television division. And he is (or was) an "executive staff" member of the Internet Archive.
  • See: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/taylor-lorenz.117172/post-16332259

Spoiler: Some pics as proof

• "Information about TayTay was deleted from IA out of nepotism"hasn't been proven or disproven.
  • Her defenders argue that technically anyone can request the IA to delete information about them. However, the request has to be approved, which is not guaranteed. It isn't unreasonable to think that TayTay's uncle might have helped get her request approved.
  • Musk shouldn't have acted so certain about it, but it's really dumb how TayTay and her defenders act like Musk just made up a crazy conspiracy theory out of thin air.

On that note: I want to point out that Brewster Kahle (the founder of the Internet Archive) is slimy.
When this minor drama about TayTay's uncle was making the rounds on Twitter, Kahle responded to Musk acting like the claims were totally false, even though Kahle 100% knew about the Roger Macdonald connection.
https://x.com/brewster_kahle/status/1659283393753006082

Of course, he never responded to any of the people in his replies pointing out his deception:

Spoiler: Sample

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

While Mike is almost a manlet at 5'9" tall, he at least has more credibility than Taylor. I think she's just jealous of the fact that he made Medium/ Substack posts into a profitable website. Just because he worked with Peter Thiel at Founders Fund doesn't mean that he is still getting paid by him even if Business Insider says so (I haven't trusted anything form them in years). You worked for Jeff while at Washington Post, does that mean Jeff still pays you? This is why you lack credibility Taylor.

I would suggest that she goes and reads about City Journal who Mike is on board for, but I know Taylor can't be bothered to do her research.

 

[Ivan Daniloff]

I’d love to know her podcast process. Who’s producing for her? They’re a detractor, Taylor, because that shit is boring and you will never grow an audience with this boring boring material.

I’m curious because while podcasting is crowded, she should probably spend a few months focused on trying to make her podcast into something. She’s radioactive in journalism anyhow. A little break can’t hurt her. She’s already dead!

 

[neger psykolog]

I used to think the whole "internet archive nepotism" angle may have had some meat to it but I only just learned that her uncle is some random dude there. Looking into it more, it doesn't really seem to be that strong of a story at all.

even though Kahle 100% knew about the Roger Macdonald connection.

I mean to be fair, how can anyone claim he "100% knew about the Roger Macdonald connection"? Like do you know the names of any of your work colleagues nieces? I am certain the answer to that is none.

like sorry, why would they know some random fucking nieces name? do these people seriously think this nigga gonna pull out the extended family tree of every single employee there?

Her defenders argue that technically anyone can request the IA to delete information about them. However, the request has to be approved, which is not guaranteed. It isn't unreasonable to think that TayTay's uncle might have helped get her request approved.

From what I thought I understood they will remove an entire domain at the domain owners request, but it looks like they will remove anything if you claim a GDPR request: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/eut3na/can_i_get_personal_information_removed_from_the/ (this is a request that someone made to remove something from a site that they didn't even own but claimed to own the account). Some say the GDPR thing doesn't work that well anymore but it seems like they will entertain requests to remove specific profiles/pages from non-owners.

So while it is of course possible nepotism influenced their decision to remove tattay's twitter from the internet archive or helped to expedite it, its also just as possible and seems more likely that taytay just googled "remove from internet archive" like I did and found a bunch of templates online that date back more than 5 years and sent a request.

Love/hate taytay all you want, the internet archive story doesn't really seem to have much validity if other people have been able to get their profiles removed.

 

[Temperance]

I used to think the whole "internet archive nepotism" angle may have had some meat to it but I only just learned that her uncle is some random dude there. Looking into it more, it doesn't really seem to be that strong of a story at all.

At the time of the drama, here's the instructions IA had for requesting information removal:
https://web.archive.org/web/2023051...request-to-remove-something-from-archive-org/

It's unknown how often they accept (vs deny) these requests, because they refuse to talk about it. I remember a bunch of conservative commentators tried to ask both IA and Taylor Lorenz herself about her info being scrubbed, but they always declined to comment.
Here's an example from Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/media/taylor-lorenz-twitter-page-excluded-internet-archive
(I forgot that this was closely related to the drama over TayTay doxing LibsofTikTok, lol.)


It was also deemed suspicious (at least here on KF) when the Internet Archive scrubbed Kiwi Farms from the archive during #DropKiwiFarms. Taylor Lorenz, of course, was possibly the most prominent journoscum championing #DKF, and she allegedly helped Keffals make & distribute his little "press kits". It's not a huge leap to think she might have been involved somehow with getting KF removed from IA.
(I agree that there's no real way to be sure, though.)

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There's some more context I want to point out. The tweets from Elon Musk and Brewster Kahle were posted in a big "Twitter Files" thread which showed that Taylor Lorenz had a lot of undue power/influence in pre-Musk Twitter, and she used this power to get her critics banned.
One of the accounts she got banned mentioned her wealthy parents, as well as her uncle "owning" IA. This was what Musk responded to.
https://x.com/thackerpd/status/1659162337448697856

Spoiler: Full thread - goes into much more depth

So, Taylor Lorenz used to have undue power at Twitter (which she abused), and we've also heard similar things about TayTay on other social media platforms, btw. I don't think it's too far-fetched to speculate that she might have used her uncle (or other media connections) to get her information taken down from IA. Ditto for having KF scrubbed from IA.

It's speculation, yes, but I think there's merit to it. Taylor Lorenz is exactly the kind of person who would abuse any and all "backchannels" to attack her critics/enemies and to protect herself. (She's also a notorious liar.)

I mean to be fair, how can anyone claim he "100% knew about the Roger Macdonald connection"?

You're right. It's possible that Brewster Kahle might not have known about the Roger Macdonald connection beforehand (although I remain skeptical). But he definitely heard about it immediately after, as shown by those screencaps of people replying to his tweet, and he never bothered to respond to that information. There was no follow-up.

So what ended up happening is that Brewster Kahle's lone tweet (about how no one "owns" IA and how he isn't TayTay's uncle) was used to DEBOONK the broader theory that TayTay used her connections to get what she wanted from IA.

And even today, TayTay and her defenders use this as "proof" that her critics just make up wild conspiracy theories to smear her - even though they've fastidiously (and IMO suspiciously) avoided addressing the core point of the argument this entire time.

Very weasel-like.

 

[neger psykolog]

fucking shit, I wrote a reply and lost it and now have to rewrite it

It's unknown how often they accept (vs deny) these requests, because they refuse to talk about it

This is partially true in that there is no list of requests, but there are partial lists of websites, domains and twitter accounts that have been excluded:

• https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index....k_Machine/Partial_exclusions/Twitter_accounts
• https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index....d_from_the_Wayback_Machine/Partial_exclusions
• https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/List_of_websites_excluded_from_the_Wayback_Machine

So there are twitter accounts (probably more than are listed above) that have also been taken down.

You're right. It's possible that Brewster Kahle might not have known about the Roger Macdonald connection beforehand (although I remain skeptical).

But this is setting an absurd "guilt by association" standard that is setting the expectation that the CEO of Google should know that their chief marketing officer has a niece with a different family name. It's ridiculous.
It also still doesn't prove at all that "the Roger Macdonald connection" (some guy who founded the TV archives section) would've had anything to actually do with any of this.

What it does 100% prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that when you get into excluding domains or accounts from an archive it becomes a messy business very quickly.

But he definitely heard about it immediately after, as shown by those screencaps of people replying to his tweet, and he never bothered to respond to that information. There was no follow-up.

While this is true it is also the case that there are older more mature people on the internet who will just issue a one-off statement and not reply to all the shit that comes after it. None of the responses even refuted what he said, which is that he doesn't know taytay and has never met her.

Like look at this shit and tell me if you would respond to this kind of shit when you're running a non-profit charity.:

• https://x.com/keepitwilder/status/1659338543578087426
  • "Seems like alot of power for one person...who do you report to?"
• https://x.com/SLABBYBABBY/status/1659309182779117568
  • "Has George Soros paid you to say this and make Elon Musk look like a gullible fuckwit?"
• https://x.com/SueJohnson_/status/1659356402261925891
  • "Who started this project ? And where did the seed money come from ?"

So sure, Taytay is a retard but creating and running the internet archive is a thankless task and when you get Q-anon tier retards filling up your replies I cannot see any reason why someone would reply. This is the kind of shit that people say about KF and null.

 

[Temperance]

@neger psykolog
Fair enough. I agree there isn't any definitive proof of collusion, no matter how suspicious I find the whole thing.

I'll note though that Brewster Kahle isn't just a hapless boomer. He has both a Mastodon and a Bluesky account, which is quite telling, IMO.
https://mastodon.archive.org/@brewsterkahle/
https://bsky.app/profile/brewster.kahle.org
And if you take a peek at who he's following, you'll see a few people-of-interest to the Farms.

Like Molly White (aka lolcow & Wikipedia admin GorillaWarfare, who has hated KF for years):



And Bradley Manning (who helped out Keffals during #DKF, if you don't remember):


And even Taylor Lorenz herself:

(If anyone knows a way to find out when someone followed an account on mastodon, please let me know.)

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Basically, I don't trust Brewster Kahle at all.

 

[neger psykolog]

And if you take a peek at who he's following, you'll see a few people-of-interest to the Farms.

That may also be, but if I used the same standard there are tons of people I follow on many platforms that I vehemently disagree with. I know a lot of this "who follows who" stuff came into vogue with gamergate (I believe so anyway) and does have at least some merit to it, but I caution that the mindset of "they follow people I disagree with" quickly ventures into guilt by association bullshit.

If he was tweeting out stuff similar to those other accounts or you showed him liking or retweeting stuff that was pertinent to this topic to indicate a particular slant, that too would have some merit but just the fact he follows some accounts I do not think really has that much standing.

My main point with this all is that the internet archive is a non-profit charity with what I think is a noble mission and even though it may have some flaws it remains a great service overall to the internet and human knowledge (they archive a lot more than just websites). It's not technically a public service either. Them not showing a particular website doesn't actually mean it is removed from the archives either (at least from what I understand).

People like Elon Musk retweeting stuff without even doing cursory due diligence and their own research is just sad and acts to devalue any claims of impropriety that they had in the first place. I found lists of websites and twitter accounts that have been delisted by the internet archive after like 20 seconds of searching on google, anyone trying to make bold claims should also be able to do so. I say that simply because making a bold accusation that someone isn't being impartial at least makes more sense if people are impartial themselves and include a footnote that says "I was able to locate a list of twitter accounts that were also delisted, it does not appear many get delisted so this still raises questions of how many accounts actually get delisted and under what reasoning"

Taytay is just one singular journalist who gets a lot more attention than she deserves and it is unfortunate that people would try to use her as the sole example for saying the internet archive sucks. It's like saying the whole of YouTube or Wikipedia sucks and is irredeemable just because they banned a single account or did one action that someone didn't like (YouTube/wikipedia do far more dodgy shit than this as far as I'm concerned, but they're still very valuable projects).

It's still valuable to point out strange events but from what I can tell the Internet Archive will remove any webpage upon the request of the owner. I would say that the fact KF is delisted is far more concerning than Taytay's account being delisted. But I can imagine that leaving aside the potential for that to be caused by internet or external "political pressure" that the goal of the internet archive is bigger than just KF or taytay's twitter account and it may just not be worth the drama for them to publicly host certain archives (that still doesn't mean they are actually removed from the archive though AFAIK).

And even today, TayTay and her defenders use this as "proof" that her critics just make up wild conspiracy theories to smear her - even though they've fastidiously (and IMO suspiciously) avoided addressing the core point of the argument this entire time.

I have made this failure myself plenty of times, but that's the problem when people don't do enough research and jump their guns. You basically just hand Taytay a lie that was told about her that she can repeat infinitely to "own da trolls"