Team Four Star - Creators of a bunch of stuff to make people laugh trying to figure out what to do after a decade of comedically retelling Dragon Ball Z.

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Gohan's like a toddler at this point. It's not that he can't like studying, it's more that he has zero point of reference because Chichi imposes the studies on him to the point where Goku hasn't even started training him. Which obviously wouldn't be super rational either, but Goku also lacks a good perspective because he was raised by a martial artist who found him as a youngling and would naturally get him involved if only because it was one of the few things he could do in the mountains like that.

It's fine for Gohan to have ended up preferring this over fighting, but this is why Gohan saying he wants to be a scholar when he's cornered by the guy who killed his dad and is demanding he get strong enough to fight guys even stronger in like a year is not that believable a long term perspective. He's just saying that so he can get out of doing something he doesn't want to do.
Okay, but you're imposing depth that isn't there. You're right that he is only 4 when he says this, but he's only 5 when he faces off against an alien invasion and decides he's going to Namek. If you want to walk down the path of what is reasonable psychologically and considering his actual age, Chichi is absolutely in the right, because it is horrifying to consider this prepubescent boy, who is so young he should still be learning how to color in a coloring book and starting his path down reading a few words at a time, is hurtling across space without his parents and getting his neck broken in battle. If you want to consider actual psychological implications of that, the fact that Gohan stopped having consistent parenting from ages 4 to maybe 6, spent his tweens isolated in an empty reality with only his dad for company and only training to do, only to immediately watch his dad die in front of him over something he blamed himself for...forget becoming a scholar, Gohan would not be functional as a person come Buu saga. He at best would be extremely developmentally stunted and behave more like Goten's age.

That is clearly not the case, and so we can't really examine too closely things like 'but he was a toddler'. The story treats Gohan as if he's old enough to make decisions, and Gohan says he wants to be a scholar. He doesn't later change this, so we should assume this persists.
Picollo being Gohan's dad is kinda similar to Goku being a bad father. It's played up a lot like a meme, but there are elements in even the old show, but especially reinforced with Super, that support it. As opposed to say "Yamcha is Gohan's dad" which is entirely a meme.

However, I think it's more of the reverse, Gohan is important to Piccolo's transformation into a hero. Piccolo originally kidnaps Gohan just cause he exhibit hidden power to use against the Saiyans. Gohan is the first person Picollo socializes with, develops an association with, and by the end of the arc he sacrifices his life to save Gohan.

Piccolo may be a father figure to Gohan, but Gohan also saved Piccolo from the legacy of his father King Piccolo.
Piccolo is more of the cool uncle than Gohan's dad. Gohan is like the kid that the bachelor brother of Goku could never have, who had problems with his dad growing up and doesn't think he'd be a good dad himself. People don't really trust Piccolo, but he bonds with Goku's kid anyway and while Gohan thinks Piccolo is super cool and goes through this awkward phase where he tries to dress like him and thinks it's cool while everyone else cringes about it, Gohan's trust and care for Piccolo saves Piccolo from his own daddy issues and self doubt and belief that he had only one path in life. Much like the 'cool uncle' trope, he's also made the godfather of Gohan's daughter.

It's not intentionally meant to be a mirror of that kind of trope, but if you're going to fit Piccolo into a role of male familial figure to Gohan, it's 'cool uncle' not 'real dad'. If you consider the actual role of fatherhood, Piccolo's not particularly any better at that with Gohan than Goku.
 
Piccolo is more of the cool uncle than Gohan's dad. Gohan is like the kid that the bachelor brother of Goku could never have, who had problems with his dad growing up and doesn't think he'd be a good dad himself. People don't really trust Piccolo, but he bonds with Goku's kid anyway and while Gohan thinks Piccolo is super cool and goes through this awkward phase where he tries to dress like him and thinks it's cool while everyone else cringes about it, Gohan's trust and care for Piccolo saves Piccolo from his own daddy issues and self doubt and belief that he had only one path in life. Much like the 'cool uncle' trope, he's also made the godfather of Gohan's daughter.

It's not intentionally meant to be a mirror of that kind of trope, but if you're going to fit Piccolo into a role of male familial figure to Gohan, it's 'cool uncle' not 'real dad'. If you consider the actual role of fatherhood, Piccolo's not particularly any better at that with Gohan than Goku.
Just taking Z as evidence I'd fully agree, but if we accept Super (which has at worst Movie level input from Toriyama, allegedly more than that) Piccolo has definitely step up to a more familial role in Gohan's life. Maybe arguably still not fatherly, but more fatherly than Goku.
 
Don't put words in Toei's mouth.
Thing is I'm almost certain that TFS has mentioned or implied as much, but for the life of me not only can I not find where I'm getting that, but I also can't even remember where I got that from. Starting to think it may have been a schizo post from somewhere in weeb wars.
 
The only thing legal you should be dicussing is if Kaiser can legally buy a gun to blow his brains out.
This is the only on-topic post in the last 3 pages (and Kaiser would probably shove the gun up his ass anyway because there's only one thing he would bother blowing)
 
Just taking Z as evidence I'd fully agree, but if we accept Super (which has at worst Movie level input from Toriyama, allegedly more than that) Piccolo has definitely step up to a more familial role in Gohan's life. Maybe arguably still not fatherly, but more fatherly than Goku.
Thus the godfather position. He's not really being fatherly toward Gohan but to Pan.
Thing is I'm almost certain that TFS has mentioned or implied as much, but for the life of me not only can I not find where I'm getting that, but I also can't even remember where I got that from. Starting to think it may have been a schizo post from somewhere in weeb wars.
They certainly have not ever said that. They've definitely indicated that Toei specifically has an axe to grind with them, which is clearly true, but nothing about being offended. That's weebposting about "JAPANESE HONOR!" and always has been.
This is the only on-topic post in the last 3 pages (and Kaiser would probably shove the gun up his ass anyway because there's only one thing he would bother blowing)
Arguing about whether Toei thinks TFS has dishonored them by making fun of them is on topic.
 
Arguing about whether Toei thinks TFS has dishonored them by making fun of them is on topic.
It would be, if you didn't then immediately start sperging about your headcanon/interpretation of some shit about Goku being a dad and whatever Gohan wants to do as an adult. I think everyone stopped paying attention after the first couple of posts.
 
Im just wondering what these guys gonna do now. They stoppes doing Abridged stuff, their own original material is barely a blip and their streams arent fairing better.
 
Im just wondering what these guys gonna do now. They stoppes doing Abridged stuff, their own original material is barely a blip and their streams arent fairing better.
Outside of the awful 3d cg cell stuff their doing right now, do they have any other projects?

In x minutes is infrequent and will succeed based purely on what they're covering (niche titles like Beastars did good, but nowhere near the levels that MHA or Demon Slayer did)
The podcast seems to be dead in the water, there hasn't been an episode in 7 months
Their original animations did not do well considering the amount of effort were required to make them
They have officially run out of DBZ to cover

I do not see what future they have.
 
I mean, they have the Buu saga... You know, if they got desperate enough.

I don't think TFS will be a thing within five years, but I would love for them to come up with a quality project to prove me wrong.
I guess that's kind of their only DBZ left, but if they wait too long before starting that, nobody will be left to watch.
 
There's an entire Otherworld Tournament arc they can cover too, which is filler but I imagine they'd probably do just as an excuse to put a bunch of Super jokes in, given it touches on old powerful warriors across the universe before the same subject occasionally comes up in Super. There's also the bulk of DBZ movies, GT, Dragonball, and eventually Super. As long as they don't waste too much of their filler opportunity being irrationally angry with it like Garlic Jr they actually have plenty of content to milk with abridged. The fact that Toei is dumb and lazy and cancelled Super for some other anime with the intention of starting another Super-era show with a different name later once there's more content to adapt means that Super is actually abridgeable sooner than it would otherwise have been.

That, and they actually didn't wait that long from the end of Z before they abridged it. The final episode of Z aired in 2003. GT in 2005. The first episode of DBZA came out in 2008. Super's final episode aired in 2018. In 2023 they will have waited exactly as long after the end of Super as they did Z. Thus, if Kaiser weren't lazy, they have probably at least 5-7 years of content creation left, assuming a reasonable pace and not Kaiser's glacier pace.

All things considered, it actually seems very likely they'll turn back to Abridged eventually because they don't have anything else and there is just a whole lot of content left for them to milk. Even without including GT I'm pretty sure they have more content they haven't done than they have done.
 
There's an entire Otherworld Tournament arc they can cover too, which is filler but I imagine they'd probably do just as an excuse to put a bunch of Super jokes in, given it touches on old powerful warriors across the universe before the same subject occasionally comes up in Super. There's also the bulk of DBZ movies, GT, Dragonball, and eventually Super. As long as they don't waste too much of their filler opportunity being irrationally angry with it like Garlic Jr they actually have plenty of content to milk with abridged. The fact that Toei is dumb and lazy and cancelled Super for some other anime with the intention of starting another Super-era show with a different name later once there's more content to adapt means that Super is actually abridgeable sooner than it would otherwise have been.

That, and they actually didn't wait that long from the end of Z before they abridged it. The final episode of Z aired in 2003. GT in 2005. The first episode of DBZA came out in 2008. Super's final episode aired in 2018. In 2023 they will have waited exactly as long after the end of Super as they did Z. Thus, if Kaiser weren't lazy, they have probably at least 5-7 years of content creation left, assuming a reasonable pace and not Kaiser's glacier pace.

All things considered, it actually seems very likely they'll turn back to Abridged eventually because they don't have anything else and there is just a whole lot of content left for them to milk. Even without including GT I'm pretty sure they have more content they haven't done than they have done.
Definitely, I think I could see them going the route of having a couple extra episodes covering filler, like they sometimes did in DBZA proper, like with Krillin's girlfriend, but going back to it would make too much sense at this point. Considering the rash of terrible decisions they've made since cancelling DBZA, they definitely wouldn't go for that though.
 
So in the end what did TFS say is worse, GT or Super? From the little I remember GT at least tried to do something new, while Super was basically DBZ going full retard. Also SSJ4 is way better of a design than the zero effort design in Super.
Overall, they seem to prefer Super. Although, if you divide that series into "movie recaps" and "original shit", I think they prefer GT to the recaps.
Even Kaiser said the Resurrection F arc was the worst in the series.
 
TFS posted their yearly double-dip of the top 12 list.

This prompted me to look at the view stats. This year each video averaged out 206K, slightly lower than last years 228K. I thought that this being the last DBZ thing they churn out (with the exception of more god awful HFIL shit) would bring in more users that normal.
 
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