Team Four Star - Creators of a bunch of stuff to make people laugh trying to figure out what to do after a decade of comedically retelling Dragon Ball Z.

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It’s a shame that this is the last of their one remaining DBZ staple, it’s funny how they’re burnt out on the series yet that’s the one thing anyone really comes to them anymore for, just another crack to their already crumbling popularity, why do the best creators, not just YouTube but anyone in the media industry all seem to make creative habits to just never keep a good thing going and try to kill the golden goose of their best series by ending it on a ‘safe’ note. For reasons that only ever really are justifiable in their minds, or to preserve their legacy by not ‘jumping the shark’ by discontinuing any series they believed had reached its sell by date.

People don’t care even if it’s not their best, long running online series benefit fan catering and if you don’t reward long time followers of your biggest cash cow by actually finishing the series to its actual conclusion what precedent does that say about you as content creators and your ability to deliver on fan promise. It only infuriates and turns off further fans if you don’t want to continue your trademark series for whatever ‘noble’ reasons of preservation and fear of declining quality taht only has any greater meaning for their ego and minds rather than trying to maintain a solid fan base.

Honestly if TFS had simply made it clear that they were only going up to the Cell saga years before cutting it off than maybe I’d have more respect, but the fact they had originally planned to finish the show and even discussed ideas in the credits of the final Cell episode, only to cut the series off due to ‘creative differences’ when really it was kaiser being an egotistical furry megalomaniac who had weeb wars over a Saga he or they didn’t like, makes the whole cancellation feel so damn sour and unprofessional, it’s honestly sad how they blasted both feet off with such moronic decisions.
 
thegooddoctor said:
It’s a shame that this is the last of their one remaining DBZ staple, it’s funny how they’re burnt out on the series yet that’s the one thing anyone really comes to them anymore for, just another crack to their already crumbling popularity, why do the best creators, not just YouTube but anyone in the media industry all seem to make creative habits to just never keep a good thing going and try to kill the golden goose of their best series by ending it on a ‘safe’ note. For reasons that only ever really are justifiable in their minds, or to preserve their legacy by not ‘jumping the shark’ by discontinuing any series they believed had reached its sell by date.

People don’t care even if it’s not their best, long running online series benefit fan catering and if you don’t reward long time followers of your biggest cash cow by actually finishing the series to its actual conclusion what precedent does that say about you as content creators and your ability to deliver on fan promise. It only infuriates and turns off further fans if you don’t want to continue your trademark series for whatever ‘noble’ reasons of preservation and fear of declining quality taht only has any greater meaning for their ego and minds rather than trying to maintain a solid fan base.

Honestly if TFS had simply made it clear that they were only going up to the Cell saga years before cutting it off than maybe I’d have more respect, but the fact they had originally planned to finish the show and even discussed ideas in the credits of the final Cell episode, only to cut the series off due to ‘creative differences’ when really it was kaiser being an egotistical furry megalomaniac who had weeb wars over a Saga he or they didn’t like, makes the whole cancellation feel so damn sour and unprofessional, it’s honestly sad how they blasted both feet off with such moronic decisions.
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They actually flip flopped on this for years, which is why people were somewhat anxious when Cell saga was coming to a close and were so excited when they announced at the end that Buu would be made. Back in early s2 they refused to commit to Buu saga because they thought even finishing the Cell saga was so far away and such a huge effort they couldn't imagine ever doing that. Then as it got closer, certain members made it clear they really wanted to do the Buu saga, and Kaiser warmed to the idea, making mentions in his behind the scenes streams and stuff about how he planned to write Videl and Dende. It's very likely people like Kaiser never wanted to do Buu saga and always wanted to end it where it 'should have' ended with Gohan as Goku's replacement, but other members like the Buu saga or at least thought it'd be funny to abridge, similar to the tug of war over Broly. Creative burnout and "we need to move on or it will ruin our professional careers" was probably both a trump card and Kaiser's final excuse.
 
Allanon said:
They actually flip flopped on this for years, which is why people were somewhat anxious when Cell saga was coming to a close and were so excited when they announced at the end that Buu would be made. Back in early s2 they refused to commit to Buu saga because they thought even finishing the Cell saga was so far away and such a huge effort they couldn't imagine ever doing that. Then as it got closer, certain members made it clear they really wanted to do the Buu saga, and Kaiser warmed to the idea, making mentions in his behind the scenes streams and stuff about how he planned to write Videl and Dende. It's very likely people like Kaiser never wanted to do Buu saga and always wanted to end it where it 'should have' ended with Gohan as Goku's replacement, but other members like the Buu saga or at least thought it'd be funny to abridge, similar to the tug of war over Broly. Creative burnout and "we need to move on or it will ruin our professional careers" was probably both a trump card and Kaiser's final excuse.
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Broken promises. Broken promises that they then went back and edited out of their uploaded videos to pretend it never happened.
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MuuMuu Bunnylips said:
Considering the riots fiery but mostly peaceful protests went on for a good percentage of a year, that sound like someone's taken a big hit of Copium.
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thegooddoctor said:
It’s a shame that this is the last of their one remaining DBZ staple, it’s funny how they’re burnt out on the series yet that’s the one thing anyone really comes to them anymore for, just another crack to their already crumbling popularity, why do the best creators, not just YouTube but anyone in the media industry all seem to make creative habits to just never keep a good thing going and try to kill the golden goose of their best series by ending it on a ‘safe’ note. For reasons that only ever really are justifiable in their minds, or to preserve their legacy by not ‘jumping the shark’ by discontinuing any series they believed had reached its sell by date.

People don’t care even if it’s not their best, long running online series benefit fan catering and if you don’t reward long time followers of your biggest cash cow by actually finishing the series to its actual conclusion what precedent does that say about you as content creators and your ability to deliver on fan promise. It only infuriates and turns off further fans if you don’t want to continue your trademark series for whatever ‘noble’ reasons of preservation and fear of declining quality taht only has any greater meaning for their ego and minds rather than trying to maintain a solid fan base.

Honestly if TFS had simply made it clear that they were only going up to the Cell saga years before cutting it off than maybe I’d have more respect, but the fact they had originally planned to finish the show and even discussed ideas in the credits of the final Cell episode, only to cut the series off due to ‘creative differences’ when really it was kaiser being an egotistical furry megalomaniac who had weeb wars over a Saga he or they didn’t like, makes the whole cancellation feel so damn sour and unprofessional, it’s honestly sad how they blasted both feet off with such moronic decisions.
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Allanon said:
They actually flip flopped on this for years, which is why people were somewhat anxious when Cell saga was coming to a close and were so excited when they announced at the end that Buu would be made. Back in early s2 they refused to commit to Buu saga because they thought even finishing the Cell saga was so far away and such a huge effort they couldn't imagine ever doing that. Then as it got closer, certain members made it clear they really wanted to do the Buu saga, and Kaiser warmed to the idea, making mentions in his behind the scenes streams and stuff about how he planned to write Videl and Dende. It's very likely people like Kaiser never wanted to do Buu saga and always wanted to end it where it 'should have' ended with Gohan as Goku's replacement, but other members like the Buu saga or at least thought it'd be funny to abridge, similar to the tug of war over Broly. Creative burnout and "we need to move on or it will ruin our professional careers" was probably both a trump card and Kaiser's final excuse.
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Sounds like any future DBZA will be done without KaiserNeko. Once he's out of the picture (or the views and monies get REAL shitty), and DBZ Abridged is going to be back on the menu.
 
Random Internet Person said:
Sounds like any future DBZA will be done without KaiserNeko. Once he's out of the picture (or the views and monies get REAL shitty), and DBZ Abridged is going to be back on the menu.
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I highly doubt that'll happen since apparently Kaiser owns TFS and he has more power to kick others. But if by some twisted miracle he'd get the boot, I imagine the dude will go on entire Twitter meltdown rants about how everyone was terrible and a Nazi, who mistreated him and bullied his ass.
 
The tired cat said:
I highly doubt that'll happen since apparently Kaiser owns TFS and he has more power to kick others. But if by some twisted miracle he'd get the boot, I imagine the dude will go on entire Twitter meltdown rants about how everyone was terrible and a Nazi, who mistreated him and bullied his ass.
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If there’s any trouble in paradise, or the views really go down the shitter, I think we’re going to hear some sniping once sides are taken and somebody can find a way to make themselves look good. At some point, even YouTube videos from a channel like this one is just another part of the cutthroat dog eat dog world that is the entertainment industry.
 
thegooddoctor said:
why do the best creators, not just YouTube but anyone in the media industry all seem to make creative habits to just never keep a good thing going and try to kill the golden goose of their best series by ending it on a ‘safe’ note.
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In most cases, it's people not wanting to be known for just one thing, or at the very least they want to move onto something else. Working on the same thing for years and years on end can be taxing, creatively and mentally. You see this often with musicians; some are okay with doing the same thing since it works and guarantees money, but most of them want to do something else after a while. Doing the same thing over and over isn't really creative. Of course, trying to do something new is incredibly risky and doesn't work out more often than not. It's an unfortunate crossroads most creators cross after some time.

I sorta see that with TFS, but at the same time most of the blame lies on Kaiser. Most of the issues he was experiencing would have been easily fixed with someone else in the editing room, but his adamant refusal to have anyone else help him sped up the burnout. What happened with TFS was far more avoidable than what usually happens with creators who are fed up with their own work. There were solutions, but no one took any of them. Plus the way they teased the Buu saga then walked back on it ensured lack of interest in anything else they tried to do.
 
All I know is that I lost all interest in TFS after they ended DBZA through a PSA on YouTube and Reddit. DBZA was the only good content they made.
 
James Roancrest said:
All I know is that I lost all interest in TFS after they ended DBZA through a PSA on YouTube and Reddit. DBZA was the only good content they made.
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Yeah, even their gaming streams do not interest me.
Their Metal Gear streams were fun, Nuzlocke was great (at least before they tinkered it), and I'll admit their Dragonball game streams were entertaining at first.
Then they got stale (mostly because the later Pokemon games didn't have some of the same features as the older games).
 
Their overall attitude about Cell and the Cell Saga makes sense if you take their obvious shift into fandub territory as their impetus to "rewrite" the arc into "what it should have been".

I remember thinking to myself how bullshit their reasoning was for axing the Buu Saga. More likely Kaiser saw an out for not wanting to work on it and took it. It wasn't a "serious anime for serious artists" anymore.

Fucking newsflash: Toriyama is first and foremost a gag mangaka. He simply blended his old storytelling with the muscly battles of DBZ. Its why Buu is one of my favorite villains. He's simple minded, but not in the way you think. That pink blob is scarily clever and cunning. Something you don't see often with any DB villain, and then you add the zany bullshit for flavoring. That's the thing with Toriyama. There's always a stupid twist to it.

Cell had to be constantly handed things to be relevant and threw temper tantrums when things weren't working out. Frieza doubled down on being a murderous jackass and Buu just crazier.

Also, their gaming vids might have been interesting if they put any effort into the DBZ ones. They almost never read tutorials, talk about design decisions, art direction, character interaction, or anything of that sort. Its just memes and yelling like the rest. All that really tells me is their interpretation of anything that isn't paltry background knowledge (Like 18's real name being Lazuli) they just gloss over.

Its impossible to have any kind of DB discussion without those fuckasses popping up in some way.
 
3. Piccolo Jr.
2. Saiyan
1. Namek

I do have to hand it to them, though I disagree with several of their listings, I think this is the most well thought-out and elaborated DBcember they've done. The past few I thought were pretty half-assed.
 
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