Team Four Star - Creators of a bunch of stuff to make people laugh trying to figure out what to do after a decade of comedically retelling Dragon Ball Z.

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Red Ribbon being higher than anything besides Baba is criminal. First tournament is not better than the two after it, nor King Piccolo. Buu being that low is dumb, it should still be above most of DB besides the last tournament and maybe King Piccolo. Arc 1 being that low correct.

It's probably going to be 3. Piccolo, 2. Frieza and 1. Vegeta.

Think Beerus is out because they consider it a movie, so the Super recap arc doesn't count. They would totally put him it as top 3 'cus "muh Beerus best ever".
 
capitalBBustard said:
Red Ribbon being higher than anything besides Baba is criminal. First tournament is not better than the two after it, nor King Piccolo. Buu being that low is dumb, it should still be above most of DB besides the last tournament and maybe King Piccolo. Arc 1 being that low correct.

It's probably going to be 3. Piccolo, 2. Frieza and 1. Vegeta.

Think Beerus is out because they consider it a movie, so the Super recap arc doesn't count. They would totally put him it as top 3 'cus "muh Beerus best ever".
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Namek lower than Saiyan? Doubt it. Certainly not impossible, since Namek has things like pacing going against it, but they've never been afraid to admit how much they love its high points.
 
I'm now certain that the Saiyan Saga is taking #1. Because after Cell, that their other one they like to gush on.
Which is fine because that saga was by in large the game changing shift for Dragonball's direction and popularity in the US.
 
Alcatraz said:
Its impossible to have any kind of DB discussion without those fuckasses popping up in some way.
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the dragonball subreddit actually filters out TFS stuff.
im guessing the mods got annoyed.

Turtles Montana said:
I'm now certain that the Saiyan Saga is taking #1. Because after Cell, that their other one they like to gush on.
Which is fine because that saga was by in large the game changing shift for Dragonball's direction and popularity in the US.
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i think it'll be the Namek Saga.
you can tell that the creators of TFS loved that one more than any other.
that was the most parody of all the sagas they abridged.
anything after that was basically just an autistic redub.
 
The tired cat said:
I highly doubt that'll happen since apparently Kaiser owns TFS and he has more power to kick others. But if by some twisted miracle he'd get the boot, I imagine the dude will go on entire Twitter meltdown rants about how everyone was terrible and a Nazi, who mistreated him and bullied his ass.
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Kaiser doesn't turbo-hate DBZA so much that he'd dig his heels in and burn everything down to stop Buu saga from being made. If they realized they had no other option but to go back to DBZA, he'd probably go along with it with minimal complaints. As it is, their professional dubbing careers have pretty much spun out because they were relying entirely on Sabat lobbying for them and getting them roles, and once DBZA ended he had no benefit to continue doing that. That's half their excuse not to continue DBZA out. There's also the possibility that they got tipped off via their inside source (Sabat) that Funi would no longer be shielding them from claims on new videos by Toei because (reasons) - which means they just won't do it at all unless it's not on youtube, much like how they dropped their AoT abridged series after Funi was like "no." This is actually somewhat possible, as it would explain why they changed their tune suddenly after promising the Buu saga, rather than starting it, doing the Bojack movie, and dragging it all out until they just drop midway through the season (this is how burnout generally looks). It also would explain why they kept up their Dragonball content and DBZA-esque material with entirely original video, so that Toei can't claim them. (Abridged series walk the line of fair use, with DBZA probably more firmly on the side of 'legal', but Toei doesn't care and Youtube doesn't concern itself with actual legality)

Obviously with the ending of DBCember it shows they're just burned out on DBZ in general, but these are the types of people I would fully expect to double back to milking the cow if they find all their other prospects dried up. It's just a question of whether they quit DBZA because they got a down-low warning to stop or if it really was just them getting bored of it/Kaiser burning himself out. If the latter, we can hope that maybe they'll take a more healthy approach to it from the start and not let Kaiser dominate the editing. And then we'll have to hope that when the finished product is inevitably worse because they've never done a collaborative edit before, they improve in future episodes.
James Rofl said:
number 4: cell saga

im shocked that it's number 4, considering how much they love it lol.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jR_CqFqlJmo
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As mentioned before, there's rifts in TFS. People like Kaiser idolize the Cell saga, but there's others who prefer the Frieza or Buu saga most, and so that's probably what dragged it down. That, and they likely knew everyone expected Cell to be #1 so they decided to be extra critical of it and try to leave people guessing/make a truly definitive list of their favorite sagas for their last one.
capitalBBustard said:
Red Ribbon being higher than anything besides Baba is criminal. First tournament is not better than the two after it, nor King Piccolo. Buu being that low is dumb, it should still be above most of DB besides the last tournament and maybe King Piccolo. Arc 1 being that low correct.

It's probably going to be 3. Piccolo, 2. Frieza and 1. Vegeta.

Think Beerus is out because they consider it a movie, so the Super recap arc doesn't count. They would totally put him it as top 3 'cus "muh Beerus best ever".
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They're probably rating the first tournament so highly because it's as much of a game changer for Dragonball as Saiyan saga was. The tournament arc is what shifted it from an adventure gag manga to a battle gag manga that slowly shaved off the gag part. They unfairly rag on Buu saga because they overly embellish the Cell saga, and probably also because they dislike things like Gohan losing prominence. People who hate on Buu saga always seem to forget that fusions come from Buu saga, though, and those are some of the most popular things next to super saiyans.
 
Allanon said:
Kaiser doesn't turbo-hate DBZA so much that he'd dig his heels in and burn everything down to stop Buu saga from being made. If they realized they had no other option but to go back to DBZA, he'd probably go along with it with minimal complaints. As it is, their professional dubbing careers have pretty much spun out because they were relying entirely on Sabat lobbying for them and getting them roles, and once DBZA ended he had no benefit to continue doing that. That's half their excuse not to continue DBZA out. There's also the possibility that they got tipped off via their inside source (Sabat) that Funi would no longer be shielding them from claims on new videos by Toei because (reasons) - which means they just won't do it at all unless it's not on youtube, much like how they dropped their AoT abridged series after Funi was like "no."
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I always thought the reason they dropped AoT was because it pretty much sucked flaming nuts, and frankly it did.
 
Alcatraz said:
Its impossible to have any kind of DB discussion without those fuckasses popping up in some way.
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I've only been big into Dragonball since the middle of last year and this is something that really annoys me.

I remember when I was first getting started I would ask around to try and find out what was the best way to watch DBZ and pretty much everyone I talked to said I should watch DBZA.

And I really don't think DBZA is a good start for a beginning, I think it takes being a fan of the source material to really appericiate the humor there's alot of references that you wouldn't get if you're not at all familiar with the series before hand and I just don't see why so many people hold it up as this masterpiece and the best way to experience DBZ. I think DBZA's purpose is to be a fun tribute to the source material that's good for people who are already very familiar with it and want to relive it but without going through 200 episodes and wanting more a humorous approach although I defintely think goes off the rails when they decide to go into super serious fan dub mode.

And honestly there's times where i see online discussion of Dragonball and get the impression that people are moreso fans of DBZA then they are of the actual show with just how much it's talked about and the stuff that gets carried over from it.

For example, ever since I got into Dragonball I have never understood the whole Goku is a bad father thing. The guy sacrificed himself to save Gohan from Raditz, constantly has visions of his enemies killing Gohan and Chichi which fuels him to keep fighting, is incredibly protective of Gohan when he's in harm's way especially in the movies, was overjoyed with meeting Goten for the first time. The whole thing with him not coming back immediately after Namek is bullshit because he really needed to learn how to control himself when in Super Sayian considering the fact that he almost lost complete control of himself and I can see the argument with what he does with Gohan Cell Saga but it really shouldn't invalidate everything else he does.

But TFS seems to be held up as Gospel so the Bad Father point sticks.
 
Crystal Head Reloaded said:
For example, ever since I got into Dragonball I have never understood the whole Goku is a bad father thing. The guy sacrificed himself to save Gohan from Raditz, constantly has visions of his enemies killing Gohan and Chichi which fuels him to keep fighting, is incredibly protective of Gohan when he's in harm's way especially in the movies, was overjoyed with meeting Goten for the first time. The whole thing with him not coming back immediately after Namek is bullshit because he really needed to learn how to control himself when in Super Sayian considering the fact that he almost lost complete control of himself and I can see the argument with what he does with Gohan Cell Saga but it really shouldn't invalidate everything else he does.

But TFS seems to be held up as Gospel so the Bad Father point sticks.
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Being protective and showing affection does not a good father make. Goku is horribly negligent and ignorant, some people may find that endearing enough but I don't. He has never once instilled good values in his kids or taught them anything practical for the real world. He only taught them how to live in his and was straight up disappointed that Gohan deviated from that and wanted to be normal. He never treated his kids as individuals, only extensions of himself.
 
The tired cat said:
I always thought the reason they dropped AoT was because it pretty much sucked flaming nuts, and frankly it did.
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No, they instantly got a metric ton of heat from everyone involved with the airing of AoT. There's a reason why that entire project is completely dead and hasn't even resurfaced as an archive.
 
Jeff Gerstmann said:
Being protective and showing affection does not a good father make.
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Wut? I get that there's more to being a parent then that, but wut? Being protective and affectionate of your child is one of the major things a parent should be.
Jeff Gerstmann said:
Goku is horribly negligent and ignorant, some people may find that endearing enough but I don't. He has never once instilled good values in his kids or taught them anything practical for the real world.
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Neither was he. Goku is just going off of what he was taught growing up. That doesn’t make him the best father, sure, but that you can't entirely blame him for that.
Jeff Gerstmann said:
He only taught them how to live in his and was straight up disappointed that Gohan deviated from that and wanted to be normal. He never treated his kids as individuals, only extensions of himself.
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Wasn't that issue something the Cell saga more or less resolved with Gohan going on to be a scholar (something he stated he wanted to be in the first season) after that whole thing?
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
Wasn't that issue something the Cell saga more or less resolved with Gohan going on to be a scholar (something he stated he wanted to be in the first season) after that whole thing?
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Nah. Even into the Buu saga he was vocally disappointed in how weak Gohan was because he would rather have a life than train endlessly. Of course, this got basically nixed later in Super when they just erased his character growth again to make him a fighter AND sometimes a scholar.
 
The tired cat said:
I always thought the reason they dropped AoT was because it pretty much sucked flaming nuts, and frankly it did.
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I thought AOT Abridged came around when the main thing was white hot, or at least BEFORE the manga went completely off the rails.
Dumpster dived waifu said:
No, they instantly got a metric ton of heat from everyone involved with the airing of AoT. There's a reason why that entire project is completely dead and hasn't even resurfaced as an archive.
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About that...
 
Allanon said:
They're probably rating the first tournament so highly because it's as much of a game changer for Dragonball as Saiyan saga was. The tournament arc is what shifted it from an adventure gag manga to a battle gag manga that slowly shaved off the gag part. They unfairly rag on Buu saga because they overly embellish the Cell saga, and probably also because they dislike things like Gohan losing prominence. People who hate on Buu saga always seem to forget that fusions come from Buu saga, though, and those are some of the most popular things next to super saiyans.
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That wasn't when the shift happened though. Tien's tournament was the one that was half gag half real fights, Roshi's was still fully gag fights/martial arts parody. It didn't change anything, as far as the direction of DB as a gag or battle manga. The only thing that arc did was be more popular than arc 1&3, which is important for why the series went in the direction it did after Red Ribbon, but it wasn't because the first tournament was made to be different compared to the other two arcs.

Buu gets a bad rap because Gohan turns into a lamo at first, but then the complaint turns into "Super Buu is just Cell again". Which is rich, when you consider that nobody complains that Vegeta&Frieza are both just King Piccolo version 2&3.

@Crystal Head Reloaded "Watch DBZA" used to be a joke whenever people asked what's the best way to watch DBZ. A tongue in cheek shitpost. Unfortunately, most TFS nufans are retards that can't differentiate jokes from reality, so they unironically started believing and parroting it, in the hopes of being the smartest fanboy in their minds. Hence also parroting literally everything TFS ever said.

My favorite one is "Goku forgot to take the cure for his heart disease". If you tell them what actually happened, that the medicine is for treating the disease after he gets it only he got it a lot later than he was supposed to, they react as if you said the earth was flat.

@Jeff Gerstmann You're treating Gohan as if this is some emo Harry Potter shit, lmao "instill good values". This isn't unique to you, the whole "Goku is a bad parent" take relies on shallow, out of place parental psychoanalysis, which is so far removed from what DB is and how the characters are written an behave in it, that people can't even formulate a counter argument that isn't equally stupid psychoanalysis since the supposition is based on autism. Like, actual "I can't read social ques" level autism.

I mean jesus, you're projecting passive aggressive parental disappointment intended to cut into his son, on a few lines of irrelevant throwaway dialogue.
 
Jeff Gerstmann said:
Nah. Even into the Buu saga he was vocally disappointed in how weak Gohan was because he would rather have a life than train endlessly. Of course, this got basically nixed later in Super when they just erased his character growth again to make him a fighter AND sometimes a scholar.
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Honestl,y I could argue about the merits of Goku's parenting all day and try to prove you wrong, but this is a TFS thread, and one thing is abundantly clear in the way a huge part of the community views things like "Goku Bad Dad" is, I would argue, because of TFS themselves having gone all in on the bad parenting schtick. They themselves have gone on record saying how much they regretted playing it up, but they refused to take responsibility for making it way worse than it actually was.

What’s hilarious is that, when FighterZ came out and really pushed for the "Goku being disappointed in Gohan" meme during the beta test, (which the Super manga adopted funnily enough) they actually did start to question their role in spreading, popularizing, and reinforcing these things… only to then just handwave it shortly after. Was a fuckin' sight to behold.
capitalBBustard said:
"Watch DBZA" used to be a joke whenever people asked what's the best way to watch DBZ. A tongue in cheek shitpost. Unfortunately, most TFS nufans are retards that can't differentiate jokes from reality, so they unironically started believing and parroting it, in the hopes of being the smartest fanboy in their minds. Hence also parroting literally everything TFS ever said.
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You can’t even have a conversation about DB in the western fandom without Abridged being quoted or its memes being shouted in your face, when every game announced has people outright demanding TFS to be brought in to do voice work, or when there was a petition to cancel the official english dubs and just license DBZA; then it got to be an absurd problem
 
Random Internet Person said:
Funny thing, TFS got some bit part in a Xenoverse game, and got total creative freedom when it came to their lines.
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Well sure, they're in bed with Funi and had to be bailed out several times. It's not even the first time, given how they were the ones to voice the mock cell games during the Kai Buu saga. But Toei axed that idea as soon as they got wind of it. Bet Kaiser hated that segment, making fun of his precious Cell Saga.
 
Jeff Gerstmann said:
Being protective and showing affection does not a good father make. Goku is horribly negligent and ignorant, some people may find that endearing enough but I don't. He has never once instilled good values in his kids or taught them anything practical for the real world.
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I dunno, it's kind of like saying Homer Simpson is a bad father. A real-life Homer would be horrible, but for TV purposes we can suspend our disbelief and say "It works out somehow and the family turns out all right." Same with Goku, he's just a loving father who takes a lot of long business trips to other planets and the afterlife but somehow or other it's fine.
 
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