Team Four Star - Creators of a bunch of stuff to make people laugh trying to figure out what to do after a decade of comedically retelling Dragon Ball Z.

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Just_a_Bored_Guy said:
Oh, for god's sakes. Can they just call it the Piccolo Jr. arc like normal people? And ditto for 22nd and Tien.
Anyhoo, I wonder if they'll do a bonus video like they've done for some of the other lists. Do they usually post the number 1 on Christmas or Christmas Eve?
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Christmas Eve is an honorable mentions, and Christmas is the #1.
 
Kosher Dill said:
I dunno, it's kind of like saying Homer Simpson is a bad father. A real-life Homer would be horrible, but for TV purposes we can suspend our disbelief and say "It works out somehow and the family turns out all right." Same with Goku, he's just a loving father who takes a lot of long business trips to other planets and the afterlife but somehow or other it's fine.
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I'm pretty sure Homer was a great father until the typical Simpsons flanderization occurred.
 
The tired cat said:
I always thought the reason they dropped AoT was because it pretty much sucked flaming nuts, and frankly it did.
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It did, but they've been very clear that they were told 'no' in a way that they were not allowed to divulge and they followed along with this unlike with any other abridged series.

Crystal Head Reloaded said:
I've only been big into Dragonball since the middle of last year and this is something that really annoys me.

I remember when I was first getting started I would ask around to try and find out what was the best way to watch DBZ and pretty much everyone I talked to said I should watch DBZA.

And I really don't think DBZA is a good start for a beginning, I think it takes being a fan of the source material to really appericiate the humor there's alot of references that you wouldn't get if you're not at all familiar with the series before hand and I just don't see why so many people hold it up as this masterpiece and the best way to experience DBZ. I think DBZA's purpose is to be a fun tribute to the source material that's good for people who are already very familiar with it and want to relive it but without going through 200 episodes and wanting more a humorous approach although I defintely think goes off the rails when they decide to go into super serious fan dub mode.

And honestly there's times where i see online discussion of Dragonball and get the impression that people are moreso fans of DBZA then they are of the actual show with just how much it's talked about and the stuff that gets carried over from it.

For example, ever since I got into Dragonball I have never understood the whole Goku is a bad father thing. The guy sacrificed himself to save Gohan from Raditz, constantly has visions of his enemies killing Gohan and Chichi which fuels him to keep fighting, is incredibly protective of Gohan when he's in harm's way especially in the movies, was overjoyed with meeting Goten for the first time. The whole thing with him not coming back immediately after Namek is bullshit because he really needed to learn how to control himself when in Super Sayian considering the fact that he almost lost complete control of himself and I can see the argument with what he does with Gohan Cell Saga but it really shouldn't invalidate everything else he does.

But TFS seems to be held up as Gospel so the Bad Father point sticks.
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TFS is considered a 'watch this instead' because DB Kai is low quality, and also DBZA was around before Kai, so initially 'watch this show without filler' meant DBZA with no other recourse, since unlike many other anime, a lot of Dragonball filler isn't 'this episode never happened' but 'it's taking 4 episodes for Gohan to reach super saiyan' or 'ruin the moment of Gohan finally reaching ss2 by cutting to Hercule over and over'. It's a more reasonable suggestion post-Saiyan saga when they slide further into gag dub rather than abridged parody, but it's also something that needs to be counterbalanced by making it clear that it's basically spoon-feeding you DBZ fandom as well in the form of things like the Goku vs Piccolo dad memes and playing up Goku's stupid - though Super itself then goes and does this anyway.

Jeff Gerstmann said:
Nah. Even into the Buu saga he was vocally disappointed in how weak Gohan was because he would rather have a life than train endlessly. Of course, this got basically nixed later in Super when they just erased his character growth again to make him a fighter AND sometimes a scholar.
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They did that because people in fandom refused to let Gohan just be who he wanted to be. One of the biggest complaints about GT even before it fell off a cliff was that Gohan fully embraced the scholar thing. This ignores the fact that as early as 4 years old Gohan just wanted to be a scholar, and most of the stuff where he's resisting being one because fighting is cooler is filler. I think Super has made a reasonable concession in line with Gohan's character, though. He may want to be a scholar, but he has always stepped up when necessary to protect what he loves. GT went with the reasoning of 'I don't need to do that because Dad will do it for me'. Super made the already obvious clear to Gohan, in that Goku cannot and won't always be present in every possible situation, and will also sometimes need backup. Balancing scholar and fighter is probably the most true-to-Gohan position he can take, neither abandoning what he loves nor becoming useless to protect what's important to him.
Dumpster dived waifu said:
Well, guess I was wrong.
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They did have it down for a long time, they probably just re-uploaded it much later when s1 of AoT wasn't super new anymore on the contingency that they won't make more (and the episode had been up on youtube in the form of 3rd person re-uploads for ages)
capitalBBustard said:
That wasn't when the shift happened though. Tien's tournament was the one that was half gag half real fights, Roshi's was still fully gag fights/martial arts parody. It didn't change anything, as far as the direction of DB as a gag or battle manga. The only thing that arc did was be more popular than arc 1&3, which is important for why the series went in the direction it did after Red Ribbon, but it wasn't because the first tournament was made to be different compared to the other two arcs.

Buu gets a bad rap because Gohan turns into a lamo at first, but then the complaint turns into "Super Buu is just Cell again". Which is rich, when you consider that nobody complains that Vegeta&Frieza are both just King Piccolo version 2&3.

@Crystal Head Reloaded "Watch DBZA" used to be a joke whenever people asked what's the best way to watch DBZ. A tongue in cheek shitpost. Unfortunately, most TFS nufans are retards that can't differentiate jokes from reality, so they unironically started believing and parroting it, in the hopes of being the smartest fanboy in their minds. Hence also parroting literally everything TFS ever said.

My favorite one is "Goku forgot to take the cure for his heart disease". If you tell them what actually happened, that the medicine is for treating the disease after he gets it only he got it a lot later than he was supposed to, they react as if you said the earth was flat.

@Jeff Gerstmann You're treating Gohan as if this is some emo Harry Potter shit, lmao "instill good values". This isn't unique to you, the whole "Goku is a bad parent" take relies on shallow, out of place parental psychoanalysis, which is so far removed from what DB is and how the characters are written an behave in it, that people can't even formulate a counter argument that isn't equally stupid psychoanalysis since the supposition is based on autism. Like, actual "I can't read social ques" level autism.

I mean jesus, you're projecting passive aggressive parental disappointment intended to cut into his son, on a few lines of irrelevant throwaway dialogue.
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Actually, Akira Toryama specifically credits the first tournament arc for the shift from what we saw in the initial dragonball arc to the battle focused manga it turns into. His readership got a huge jump upward during that arc and then he started getting a lot of feedback and requests for more, which is why he kept going back to the tournaments. As I said, it's the triggering moment for transitioning it from a gag adventure manga to a gag battle manga that slowly slides from there to more serious battle manga. I'm not saying he set out for it to be different, just that it is different. And they've made it clear that the Saiyan saga is super important to the series in their opinion (specifically when Raditz appears) because it's the moment that opens the world up into space and radically changed the direction of the manga from that point. Similarly the moment Goku goes Super Saiyan does so too. You can argue that those are more distinct moments of change, but there's functionally very little different to Kaio Ken and Super Saiyan except that the latter has been set up all arc before being deployed, and Raditz could definitely have ended up this one weird moment in Dragonball where they revealed Goku was an alien and then moved on to other things again - it continuing on into the Namek saga is something that only happened because the response to the Raditz reveal and the attack of two more aliens was well received, and Namek transitioning into the Frieza saga that dragged on instead of just being 'the Emperor Pilaf saga in space' was a response to the popularity to that point.

Basically, the first tournament - following the metrics TFS uses - is as important in setting the tone and direction of the series and changing it from its previous one - as the arrival of Raditz and Goku turning Super Saiyan. Which would explain why they'd put it so high.
Alcatraz said:
Honestl,y I could argue about the merits of Goku's parenting all day and try to prove you wrong, but this is a TFS thread, and one thing is abundantly clear in the way a huge part of the community views things like "Goku Bad Dad" is, I would argue, because of TFS themselves having gone all in on the bad parenting schtick. They themselves have gone on record saying how much they regretted playing it up, but they refused to take responsibility for making it way worse than it actually was.

What’s hilarious is that, when FighterZ came out and really pushed for the "Goku being disappointed in Gohan" meme during the beta test, (which the Super manga adopted funnily enough) they actually did start to question their role in spreading, popularizing, and reinforcing these things… only to then just handwave it shortly after. Was a fuckin' sight to behold.

You can’t even have a conversation about DB in the western fandom without Abridged being quoted or its memes being shouted in your face, when every game announced has people outright demanding TFS to be brought in to do voice work, or when there was a petition to cancel the official english dubs and just license DBZA; then it got to be an absurd problem
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I mean, you can't really blame TFS for having an annoying fandom. The fandom pushed for TFS to replace the english dub crew because they didn't like the dub crew but they did like TFS. It's also worth noting that during the height of TFS' popularity the only thing happening in DBZ was releasing DVD collections of a show that ended at the turn of the century, and then rereleasing the series via Kai -which was looked upon very dimly because of the extra censoring and the fact that they no longer had the license for Faulconer tracks - so the context there is that fans were in a desert and DBZA was all they had for a long time. By the time Super debuted, DBZA was already starting to wind down because they were burning out, and for anime-watchers, Super is still just a single-season anime about half-full of disappointing tournament arcs (for some reason. The manga is still ongoing and actually features normal arcs in it, I don't know what Toei is doing)
 
Random Internet Person said:
@Allanon I do remember part of Super was also dedicated to rehashing Battle of Gods and Ressurection; F.
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the anime retold the movies longer, the manga skipped the movies. Some parts of the anime were better than the movie version, some worse. IMO Battle of Gods arc was worse than the movie, RoF arc was better than the movie. It's arguable which one treats Gohan better, but I would lean toward the series. Yes he gets gimped by Ginyu, but it's working off of him not being fully prepared for the shot - on the flip side, he is treated as more of the central hero figure by the other characters, he alone is the beacon of power that allows Goku to get a lock on Earth from the opposite end of the universe, and Piccolo dying again in a callback to the Saiyan saga is used as a catalyst for Gohan to become more serious about training to find that aforementioned balance between protecting his family and living a life that makes him happy. And he gets to be cooler before that point, where the show makes it clear he needs to put in like .5% effort to deal with Frieza's goons. With the movie he's taken out by Frieza...but he's done so completely effortlessly, so isn't really involved in getting Goku back to Earth, and he doesn't really learn anything or make any commitment to change from it, he's just taken down because he's weak now. Krillin also has a decent moment in the show where he relives his trauma from fighting Frieza and has to overcome that, and the moment that the world is destroyed just feels better due to seeing the explosion wash over all of the innocents caught up by it.

There's more things I like about the series vs the RoF movie as well, particularly concerning the fight with Frieza, but I'll leave it at that. The series embarrasses Vegeta less in Battle of Gods arc and lets his moment of cool go on a bit longer, the movie makes Goku smarter and doesn't drag out the fight as long. The fight being dragged out was honestly so bad in the series that it makes the movie win out there, where the Frieza fight didn't feel as dragged out.
 
Xenomorphs Are Cute said:
Someone just post the list in numbers, these cunts didn't do something that every listing channel does, numbering.

Also, I fucking swear to god if Baby Arc is not on fucking top of the list. That arc is pure kino, & it deserves to be number 1.
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Given that its in the thumbnail. That's a definite nope even if I agree with you slightly
 
So Yong Yee is the villain in the new Jojos bizarre adventure anime.... As far as I know, that's done through netflix, and they didnt get Funi Talent. I know that the well has been poisoned for tfs in regards to Funi, but what about netflix?... Or even not, anime and maybe voicing western cartoons like cartoon network stuff.
 
Xenomorphs Are Cute said:
Also, I fucking swear to god if Baby Arc is not on fucking top of the list. That arc is pure kino, & it deserves to be number 1.
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RealtreeByGod said:
I agree with them that Saiyan is the best saga, but I'm thoroughly shocked that Namek wasn't #1. I thought the prevailing normie opinion would be too much for them to go against.
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CisnaHet Scumale said:
Given that its in the thumbnail. That's a definite nope even if I agree with you slightly
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Given Namek is 2 and Cell Saga is 4....what's left that could be considered number 1?
 
Allanon said:
the anime retold the movies longer, the manga skipped the movies. Some parts of the anime were better than the movie version, some worse. IMO Battle of Gods arc was worse than the movie, RoF arc was better than the movie. It's arguable which one treats Gohan better, but I would lean toward the series. Yes he gets gimped by Ginyu, but it's working off of him not being fully prepared for the shot - on the flip side, he is treated as more of the central hero figure by the other characters, he alone is the beacon of power that allows Goku to get a lock on Earth from the opposite end of the universe, and Piccolo dying again in a callback to the Saiyan saga is used as a catalyst for Gohan to become more serious about training to find that aforementioned balance between protecting his family and living a life that makes him happy. And he gets to be cooler before that point, where the show makes it clear he needs to put in like .5% effort to deal with Frieza's goons. With the movie he's taken out by Frieza...but he's done so completely effortlessly, so isn't really involved in getting Goku back to Earth, and he doesn't really learn anything or make any commitment to change from it, he's just taken down because he's weak now. Krillin also has a decent moment in the show where he relives his trauma from fighting Frieza and has to overcome that, and the moment that the world is destroyed just feels better due to seeing the explosion wash over all of the innocents caught up by it.

There's more things I like about the series vs the RoF movie as well, particularly concerning the fight with Frieza, but I'll leave it at that. The series embarrasses Vegeta less in Battle of Gods arc and lets his moment of cool go on a bit longer, the movie makes Goku smarter and doesn't drag out the fight as long. The fight being dragged out was honestly so bad in the series that it makes the movie win out there, where the Frieza fight didn't feel as dragged out.
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Also the show fixes the infamous "Goku is taken out by a laser to the back" scene, by having him untransform and get shot instead of being defeated in Super Saiyan Blue.
 
James Rofl said:
So Yong Yee is the villain in the new Jojos bizarre adventure anime.... As far as I know, that's done through netflix, and they didnt get Funi Talent. I know that the well has been poisoned for tfs in regards to Funi, but what about netflix?... Or even not, anime and maybe voicing western cartoons like cartoon network stuff.
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I mean that would require for 'em to swallow their pride and agree to it. An well, as much I love laughing at EgoRaptor, the dude did do voices fo some cartoons and he clearly knows how this thing works.
 
Mary the Goldsmith said:
Also the show fixes the infamous "Goku is taken out by a laser to the back" scene, by having him untransform and get shot instead of being defeated in Super Saiyan Blue.
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Did it? I feel like it was an oversight even in the movie where he wasn't detransformed, since the whole point was that he lost because he dropped his guard and ki only works consciously.
 
James Rofl said:
Honorable mentions... I'm not going go listen to this... its an hour and a half long lol.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7yMdVmDFf_M
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List is chronological
1:45 Dragon Ball filler
3:45 Garlic Jr.
10:00 Journey to Namek
13:12 Other World Tournament
19:40 Black Star Balls
29:29 Baby
39:17 Super 17
46:15 Shadow Dragons and GT's Ending
1:00:10 Battle of Gods
1:03:30 Resurrection F
1:09:29 Universe 6 (a.k.a. Hit)
1:20:52 Super filler
Black Star Balls and Res. F are considered the worst arcs overall.
They also did another podcast discussing the Super manga. I can't be bothered sifting through it.
 
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