Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[Manwithn0n0men]

Yeah, that show had dozens of assholes from different timelines converging on our present with no fucking idea what they're doing or if they're even still in their own timeline. Its not perfect, but its a serviceable way to handwave lore inconsistencies.

I loved the one about the Terminator who became an architect so he could build himself into a wall because the time machine was like 100 years off

 

[ZMOT]

Yes and no, depends of the movie. T1 was about the cycle. T2 was about BREAKING the cycle.

there was no cycle in T1, whole goal was to prevent a waitress getting killed by a robot from the future. that it would end in a causal loop was established in T2. if john connor would've been killed there wouldn't probably be a judgement day either since cyberdyne would've never gotten the skynet tech in the first place (unless the T-800 was told to, but that's up in the air.).

the only thing inevitable is T3 showing judgement day is gonna happen either way, you could say it's more about fate and destiny.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

I think the theory that T1 is the 3rd iteration of the time loop explains well how we can have a "non-deterministic" set of time loops, where both SkyNet and John's destiny are set without the need for time travel. There's a prime timeline where John's father wasn't Kyle, but SkyNet still becomes self-aware and John still leads a resistance. Then SkyNet inadvertently discovers time displacement while testing quantum teleportation, sends a Terminator back through time, and creates the second timeline.

 

[The handsome tard]

I think the theory that T1 is the 3rd iteration of the time loop explains well how we can have a "non-deterministic" set of time loops, where both SkyNet and John's destiny are set without the need for time travel. There's a prime timeline where John's father wasn't Kyle, but SkyNet still becomes self-aware and John still leads a resistance. Then SkyNet inadvertently discovers time displacement while testing quantum teleportation, sends a Terminator back through time, and creates the second timeline.

I remember that video. It basically talks what I am saying in more broad terms. It basically says that the timeline we are seeing in T2 is the third one that has no Skynet and Future War (it officially becomes it when they destroy the T-800 pieces and the current T-800).

I find it touching that the T2 T-800 sacrificed itself and that was so meaningful it created a new free timeline for humanity. A world free from its creators but also free for the boy he cared about and his mother...

 

[Freddy Freaker]

So I just saw a new ad on youtube and apparently our new evil terminator disguises as a US Border Patrol agent. And we already know about Sarah Connor trying to look like Hillary. Things that make you go hmmm.....

 

[Fougaro]

There hasn't been a good Terminator movie since 1991 (...)

Tfw the last good Terminator movie was made when the Soviet Union was still around...

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

There are a handful of films that jerk some tears out of me. T2 never quite did that for me, but I still felt for John. What an excellent performance 10-year-old Eddie laid down in that scene. Poor kid.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I can't believe they're doing ANOTHER story about a robot sent back in time to kill someone and blah blah blah, that story was tired as far back as Terminator 3 in 2003.

The only thing to differentiate this one is "woke" bullshit, which is truly the final stages of a dying franchise, when it goes "woke"

Remember, Cameron intended T2 to be the end of the story, there were originally going to be more scenes to make that explicit, more future war scenes showing the actual defeat of Skynet, which were never filmed, and an epilogue showing a utopian future where Judgement Day never happened, which was filmed but deleted.

While the final movie wound up a little more ambiguous, it still works as an ending and the fact that the series has sucked ever since proves it should have ended then.

 

[Raging Capybara]

Plus the distorted French horns heralding his arrival is pure kino.

T2 soundtrack is a masterpiece. And Fiedel used basically only a crappy (and super expensive) sampler do to all the work.

I know junkie xl has a fairlight (he has a massive collection of vintage synths) but maybe the producers of this garbage movie are restricting him from using the synth too much because it sounds too "outdated". I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[The handsome tard]

There are a handful of films that jerk some tears out of me. T2 never quite did that for me, but I still felt for John. What an excellent performance 10-year-old Eddie laid down in that scene. Poor kid.

I guess the movie spoke to a generation of boys that were raised without a father...they could see themselves in John Connor, rebellious but still with a heart of gold underneath when it mattered, I mean, his first orders to the T-800 was to not kill and he taught it the value of humanity. Guess all boys felt like having an T-800 for a father, a big, tough, manly figure that could also learn to appreciate human things. Sarah even points it out in the movie how the T-800 was like a perfect father for John (I wouldnt say perfect but the image of a protective father figure it gave).

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Man, what a powerful soliloquy that was. "Watching John with the Terminator ... " And I never thought I'd use the term "soliloquy" when talking about T2. Goddamn is that movie good.

Does anyone like the extended cut of T2? I personally loved having more of the film to enjoy than before, and I guess that speaks to how well those scenes were written and shot. They were unnecessary, but they added more meat and flavor to the film. T1 also had some cut scenes and subplots that demonstrated how much of T2's DNA was in T1, and gave us a little more of the supporting cast with Lt. Traxler and Det. Vukovich.

I thought Biehn's crying performance in that one deleted scene in the forest was a little laughable, but I still appreciate that scene. To his credit, I think Biehn or someone else could've done a lot worse. The way he delivered that "it's like a dream" line was kind of haunting. Funny thing about that scene is that's actually where the phrase "There's no fate but what we make for ourselves" came from. Those were Sarah's word; her interpretation of Kyle's and John's message: "the future is not set".

If there's any saving grace for Dark Fate, it would be the music. While I'm not impressed with what I've heard so far, maybe Junkie XL will pull through with something decent. Then again, I'm assuming he's also in charge of the overall sound design of the film, which means he's responsible for the goofy squished mustard bottle sound effect when Grace smashed the REKT-9's leg in the earlier trailers. Well, maybe that's jumping the gun. Trailers often have a different sound production than the final film.

 

[Relic 31]

Man, what a powerful soliloquy that was. "Watching John with the Terminator ... " And I never thought I'd use the term "soliloquy" when talking about T2. Goddamn is that movie good.

Does anyone like the extended cut of T2? I personally loved having more of the film to enjoy than before, and I guess that speaks to how well those scenes were written and shot. They were unnecessary, but they added more meat and flavor to the film. T1 also had some cut scenes and subplots that demonstrated how much of T2's DNA was in T1, and gave us a little more of the supporting cast with Lt. Traxler and Det. Vukovich.

I thought Biehn's crying performance in that one deleted scene in the forest was a little laughable, but I still appreciate that scene. To his credit, I think Biehn or someone else could've done a lot worse. The way he delivered that "it's like a dream" line was kind of haunting. Funny thing about that scene is that's actually where the phrase "There's no fate but what we make for ourselves" came from. Those were Sarah's word; her interpretation of Kyle's and John's message: "the future is not set".

If there's any saving grace for Dark Fate, it would be the music. While I'm not impressed with what I've heard so far, maybe Junkie XL will pull through with something decent. Then again, I'm assuming he's also in charge of the overall sound design of the film, which means he's responsible for the goofy squished mustard bottle sound effect when Grace smashed the REKT-9's leg in the earlier trailers. Well, maybe that's jumping the gun. Trailers often have a different sound production than the final film.

I definitely prefer the extended cut of T2. Like you said, the scenes weren’t needed, but scenes like the CPU switching and showing the T-1000 glitching out after the liquid nitrogen are great.

I feel the same way about the extended cut of T2 as I do about the “Aliens” extended cut, they are the definitive versions for me and I always notice the missing scenes when I see the theatrical versions.

I wish there was an extended cut of T1 with the deleted scenes put back in. I love the plot point of Sarah taking the initiative to blow up the Cyberdyne building and that being the reason they made the pipe bombs. This followed by the fact that in trying to do so, those events allowed the T-800 CPU to be recovered thus leading to the creation of SkyNet.

 

[A Grey Cat]

So as bad a Genysis was I often lump it with the other sequels from 3 onward. They have some redeeming factors whether it's the over the top action in 3 or the use of social media and futuristic tech like nanites in Genysis but there's almost nothing that looks like it can save dark fate.

The leads are either too old to still be relevant in this franchise or Manish and fugly as sin

The effects look worse than the cgi in 3 and salvation

And it Just reeks of being made post 2016 with the other lead being a Hispanic possibly an immigrant and the Terminator is using the guise of a big bad ice agent the promo photo which showed Linda Hamilton and that she male hambeast front and center and the director's claim said ham beast is gonna "scare the f out of mysgonists" already trying to blame any failure of the movie on "alt right trolls"

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

did anyone else have a crush on edward furlong?

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Remember, Cameron intended T2 to be the end of the story, there were originally going to be more scenes to make that explicit, more future war scenes showing the actual defeat of Skynet, which were never filmed, and an epilogue showing a utopian future where Judgement Day never happened, which was filmed but deleted.

Check the DVD deleted scenes bro

at least one was

 

[Tootsie Bear]

So as bad a Genysis was I often lump it with the other sequels from 3 onward. They have some redeeming factors whether it's the over the top action in 3 or the use of social media and futuristic tech like nanites in Genysis but there's almost nothing that looks like it can save dark fate.

The writers did the right move in having Skynet disguised as Genisys, instead of it simply being a powerful AI built by the military for defense but ends up going rogue on its creators. Unfortunately the movie only briefly showed scenes of characters interacting with the technology that failed to life up to anything meaningful. What would had been awesome to see was a critical look at how the majority people, regardless of their background, are glued to technology that it would be easy for Skynet to not only effortlessly connect across the network but learn more about people, possibly the Connors and Reese family, then what it would had in the 1990's.

 

[A Grey Cat]

The writers did the right move in having Skynet disguised as Genisys, instead of it simply being a powerful AI built by the military for defense but ends up going rogue on its creators. Unfortunately the movie only briefly showed scenes of characters interacting with the technology that failed to life up to anything meaningful. What would had been awesome to see was a critical look at how the majority people, regardless of their background, are glued to technology that it would be easy for Skynet to not only effortlessly connect across the network but learn more about people, possibly the Connors and Reese family, then what it would had in the 1990's.

Yup build up all these swipes at social media and overdependce on technology, but ohhh no we can't say anything bad that might get our movie's Facebook and Twitter feed banned for badmouthing big tech.

Still at least that was the only cop out they pulled when compared to dark fate. You can really see the landscape of Cinema really took a nosedive after 2015 and the election of trump in 2016,. They turned the social engineering and pro leftist propaganda up past 11.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Yup build up all these swipes at social media and overdependce on technology, but ohhh no we can't say anything bad that might get our movie's Facebook and Twitter feed banned for badmouthing big tech.

Still at least that was the only cop out they pulled when compared to dark fate. You can really see the landscape of Cinema really took a nosedive after 2015 and the election of trump in 2016,. They turned the social engineering and pro leftist propaganda up past 11.

Not just Cinema hell the entire Western entertainment industry went all in on SocJus in 2015.

 

[Miller]

Yup build up all these swipes at social media and overdependce on technology, but ohhh no we can't say anything bad that might get our movie's Facebook and Twitter feed banned for badmouthing big tech.

Still at least that was the only cop out they pulled when compared to dark fate. You can really see the landscape of Cinema really took a nosedive after 2015 and the election of trump in 2016,. They turned the social engineering and pro leftist propaganda up past 11.

It saddens me that the Watchmen tv series also seems to be another wasted opportunity. They could have told a story about the manipulation and fear mongering of the mainstream media, instead the villains are the ebil huwite supremacists. That said, I knew the show was doomed to fail since Lindelof is the showrunner.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

The effects look worse than the cgi in 3 and salvation

I'd want to say it comes off as the CGI still being unfinished (and given the release date in November, are likely crunching like all hell to get it done). But I think the bigger problem's that I don't see any major practical effects or animatronics in the trailers, it seems to be all CGI in terms of effects besides some explosions and car stunts, and the film's going to suffer for it like Genesys did.