Terror Trouble in Orlando

Over 50 killed. RIP

 

[bearycool]

This sucks, as always for these types of things. However, I always keep thinking and thinking... "will people forget this too?"

A lot of people forgot Sandy Hook, then they forgot the Aurora Shooting, and then will they forget this? As always, I have almost no political views-- I believe namely that if all parties are consenting and it hurts nobody, then it is fine. Ergo, this event violates that single clause I have grossly, and I am, o course, disgusted beyond belief as not just a gay man, but as a human in general.
So I think the worse of this situation...

I wrote this actually for the Christina Grimmie incident that, after the light of this incident, will be quickly forgotten too sadly.

"A Memory

You have done so much for mankind,
You have given so much love to many!
You will never be forgotten.

.... Now what else is on the news?"

I just keep wondering how much it takes for a group of people to not constantly forget and actually keep the memory long enough for events not to repeat themselves like this. Yeah... to not to forget, and also not to scream at each other because you have a different view on how to protect people. To come together in that harsh memory and be able to deal with it in the future.

I guess for a tl;dr, I just don't like that we will forget this, and continue on with the bipartisan/dichotomous arguments/politics (Democrat vs. Republican, Gun Controllers Vs. Non-Gun Controllers, Islam vs Anti-Islam)-- a repeating feedback loop that goes on, and, and on. As W.B. Fucking Yeats said. "turning and turning in the widening gyre..."

I wonder how long we will turn before the cycle is broken.

 

[Hypodermic Johnny]

Update re: Blood donations - OneBlood is currently at capacity and having to turn away walk-up donators. However it is highly encouraged that people make appointments to donate in the coming hours/days because they're still going to need them. Also they may have lifted the ban for gay people to be able to donate but I'm not sure if that was actually confirmed or not.

I've been trying to just keep up with my local social media to get relevant info, but when there isn't any; people who don't live here have been getting on Tumblr and Facebook to tear each other apart trying to claim the tragedy was motivated by this ideology or that.

There are people who still can't access their deceased loved ones, because the crime scene isn't cleared and their bodies are still in club. There are people in critical condition who may still die. And instead fucking assholes are using the tragedy to push a political agenda.

I mean, I'm not surprised in the slightest. But I'm still disappointed.

I'm just...fuck, I'm so tired.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

You should probably avoid large crowds, protests, concerts, conventions, nightclubs, sporting events or anything with a ton of people packed into a small place if you can. These are the targets mass murderers go after.

We need to protest though. If we are so afraid of them that we will no longer protest their actions then they are no longer terrorists and are now occupiers

 

[Emo Supremo]

political discourse aside, i keep getting hung up on how hellish it must've been/still must be for the medical teams over there. apparently there weren't enough ambulances to go around and civilians were having to load up victims into flatbeds so they could get to the hospital that way. every single emergency room in the area must've looked like a fucking mess at the peak of it.

eta: found out that the hospitals were especially having a rough go at it on account of the flatbeds thing: in short, since the victims weren't being sent via ambulance with paramedics radioing in their status so the doctors knew what to expect, the staff were suddenly getting bombarded with a whole lot of patients that had more holes than a block of swiss cheese, which as you can expect had slingshot them into the weeds pretty fucking quick.

 

[AA 102]

Obama's speech just has me shaking my head. He mentions a snide remark about gun control and how they're dirty and need to be banned. Nothing about his potential connections to ISIL. Nothing about potential radical terrorism. Nothing about how the assault rifle he bought was most likely purchased on the black market. Nothing about fighting back about this hate.

Spineless. Absolutely spineless.

It's still very early, not all the facts have been verified. Chill out. Obama doesn't want to incite a panic. I do disagree with his remarks on guns. He did take the opportunity to further his agenda.

 

[Shugo]

A coordinated and planed attack like Paris (that required a lot of planing and people) or lone wolfs like San Bernadino.

I'm not sure. This guy alone killed 50 and wounded 53 others. In the Paris attacks, it took 9 people to kill 130 and wound 368. On a per-martyr basis, this attack was much more effective.

In the Paris attacks as well, the biggest hit target was an inside venue with music and dancing, some theater hosting a band. 89 people died inside there. It looks like the deadliness of the attack comes from the targets they choose, with small crowded club/music venue places being very deadly.

You also don't need to "plan" to get armed like you do in Paris if you live in the US. As long as you have a clean criminal record, you're set. If you don't, it's not that hard to buy a gun from a private individual.

This was close to the level of the Paris attacks, I believe, and it does not take much planning or direct support from ISIS.

 

[niggers]

People should hope that this guy was propped up by ISIS, trained, instructed, funded, and deliberately came here to do this. It's a lot easier to stop people invading and controlled by foreign entities to commit acts of terror, and as you said, it's impossible to weed out lone wolves or sleeper agents inspired by ISIS

exactly.

however, eradication of ISIS will help discourage lone wolves and self-radicalization. ISIS is currently a major player in the middle east, that inspires people with issues with the west. we hear about ISIS gaining ground and seizing territory in the mass media (because fear sells), so potential sleeper agents can feel secure in joining the "winning" side, or at least paving a path for the destruction of the west. people can give their lives "for the movement", as long as the movement exists. it's not 100% flawless (someone seriously wanting to cause mass-scale violence can justify themselves with anything, and totally uprooting radicalism is impossible) but a destroyed ISIS is an ISIS that is much less appealing to die for.

so, yeah, this is awful, and normally i stay out of politicizing tragedy, but i honestly think this sort of thing will keep happening until we take strident measures against radical islam overseas. the funny part is that the people this will protect are precisely those who will vehemently oppose such actions.

Unless you have some mods on standby, that pandora's box ain't gonna close itself. This site can't just stop being autistic on it's own

i am part of the problem

 

[autisticdragonkin]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...t-motivated-orlando-nightclub-shooter-n590496
The shooter called 9/11 and pledged his allegiance to ISIS

I just realized that this time Ramadan and Gay pride month overlap

 

[DuskEngine]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...t-motivated-orlando-nightclub-shooter-n590496
The shooter called 9/11 and pledged his allegiance to ISIS

Shooter Omar Mateen, 29, appeared to be a follower of ISIS propaganda and referenced the Tsarnaev brothers, who carried out the Boston Marathon bombings in 2013, at the scene, sources said.

The Tsarnaevs never pledged allegiance to ISIS, as I recall. And he's an ethnic Afghani while the Tsarnaevs were from the Caucasus. Strange.

 

[bearycool]

What needs to happen is a deep introspection of ourselves. Most of us here have one main trait in common: We are all Americans. Regardless of race, sex, class, age, or creed, this is an undeniable fact.

We spend so much time looking at the evil "boogeyman", in our own respective rights instead of focusing on our faults and coming to a common ground to compromise for the greater good of the country. We have no pride in our country anymore because there is next to nothing to be proud of. What I see is a withered husk of a nation destroyed by 50 years of terrible and self-serving leadership, piss-poor executive choices, destructive corporate and counter-cultures and the raping of our national sovereignty for the sake of "free trade" and "international relations".

What needs to happen is for this country to get back to the old ways. As strange as it may seem, isolationism might be the best choice of action for this country in the long run. The world is pretty much falling to shit right now, and one slight wind that shakes up the world economy will fuck all of us over.

I doubt Trump is the answer that this country is looking for, but the depressing part is that he's probably the best candidate we've got right now. We're probably going to be fucked unless this country chooses to take care of itself instead of the world first.

I sadly can't give you what the answer is to what we should do, hence why I think you are right in that we need introspection and just need to come together.

I just don't want people to forget, and I just want them to talk this out and find the best path for everyone with this. No more screaming at one another, and no more forgetting.

 

[Dr.Research]

What also matters the most now is that we need a President who has the mental and emotional fortitude to whip this country back into some kind of shape. I don't know if that's Trump, I don't know if it's Hillary. Hell, I don't even know if it's Gary Johnson. The point is that whoever gets the presidency next is going to have some HUGE work to do trying to fix all the messes left behind by not just Obama, but Dubya's messes (and perhaps even going as far back as Bill Clinton), too. They're going to have the most unenviable presidency since Jimmy Carter's, IMHO.

Totally agree.
I think part of the issue is that no one wants to moderate. And I don't mean moderate as having no opinion or spineless, but someone who isn't always balls to the wall left or right. And that politicians don't want to swallow their pride and admit maybe they fucked up or maybe they don't speak for what the people want at the moment.

 

[Ntwadumela]

exactly.

however, eradication of ISIS will help discourage lone wolves and self-radicalization. ISIS is currently a major player in the middle east, that inspires people with issues with the west. we hear about ISIS gaining ground and seizing territory in the mass media (because fear sells), so potential sleeper agents can feel secure in joining the "winning" side, or at least paving a path for the destruction of the west. people can give their lives "for the movement", as long as the movement exists. it's not 100% flawless (someone seriously wanting to cause mass-scale violence can justify themselves with anything, and totally uprooting radicalism is impossible) but a destroyed ISIS is an ISIS that is much less appealing to die for.

so, yeah, this is awful, and normally i stay out of politicizing tragedy, but i honestly think this sort of thing will keep happening until we take strident measures against radical islam overseas. the funny part is that the people this will protect are precisely those who will vehemently oppose such actions.



i am part of the problem

My country, and the people here including myself are Muslims. We strongly condemn organizations like ISIS and executed those who were found supporting them and those who assisted the suicide bombing that occurred last year at a Shia mosque. We have also mounted efforts for a Counter-terrorist group. The reality of the matter is, those Wahhabist bastards are enemies of everyone, not just the West.

 

[*Asterisk*]

I agree with this. We need to stop getting involved with every little thing that happens in the world. Whatever the US touches gets fucked up in some way (e.g. tearing down governments, failing to install stable governments, having "evidence" of nukes, etc.). On thew other hand, we have gone too deep to just stop. We have also become powerful, and no government ever wants to lose power. Isolationism is ideal but is no longer practical. We need to moderate ourselves and our actions and keep involvement overseas to a minimum.

We've spent the last eight years pulling back, and shit's worse now than ever. Clerical fascists don't take "let's find a compromise" as an answer.

 

[AA 102]

Senator Bill Nelson just said ISIS took credit, though it is not confirmed if ISIS is telling the truth,

 

[Without A Gout]

It's still very early, not all the facts have been verified. Chill out. Obama doesn't want to incite a panic. I do disagree with his remarks on guns. He did take the opportunity to further his agenda.

This is the part that angered me. If you're going to make a snide remark about gun control, at least understand where the guns actually came from before you go spouting off about "MUH GUN CONTROL!" The pistol was legally bought, but the assault rifle was most likely bought on the black market.

I may be jumping to conclusions, but the Obama administration seems to be doing so as well.

Sadly, that'll never happen. It didn't happen after Columbine. It didn't happen after 911. It didn't happen after Sandy Hook.

This country was pretty close to doing this after 9/11. I remember there being a massive swelling of patriotism in the months afterwards. The only problem was that the Bush administration chose to just chuck darts on a billboard and go after the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, yet do nothing about Saudi Arabia. The Tailban was the right choice, since they were allies with al-Qaeda, but Iraq was a terrible one to begin with, since Saddam had no ties to 9/11 and was one of the main reasons that area was stable.

Ever since he's been out of power, Iraq has turned into an utter shithole that has done nothing more than fuel more extremism, like ISIS. Afghanistan has also turned out to be the same, but for reasons of weak and uninspired leadership. No surprise that the Taliban has regained strength in that region again.

 

[cans.wav]

Senator Bill Nelson just said ISIS took credit, though it is not confirmed if ISIS is telling the truth,

When ISIS claims they did it and a shooter claims he supported ISIS AND was on a terrorist watch list, you can assume he was.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

This sucks, as always for these types of things. However, I always keep thinking and thinking... "will people forget this too?"

A lot of people forgot Sandy Hook, then they forgot the Aurora Shooting, and then will they forget this? As always, I have almost no political views-- I believe namely that if all parties are consenting and it hurts nobody, then it is fine. Ergo, this event violates that single clause I have grossly, and I am, o course, disgusted beyond belief as not just a gay man, but as a human in general.
So I think the worse of this situation...

I wrote this actually for the Christina Grimmie incident that, after the light of this incident, will be quickly forgotten too sadly.

"A Memory

You have done so much for mankind,
You have given so much love to many!
You will never be forgotten.

.... Now what else is on the news?"

I just keep wondering how much it takes for a group of people to not constantly forget and actually keep the memory long enough for events not to repeat themselves like this. Yeah... to not to forget, and also not to scream at each other because you have a different view on how to protect people. To come together in that harsh memory and be able to deal with it in the future.

I guess for a tl;dr, I just don't like that we will forget this, and continue on with the bipartisan/dichotomous arguments/politics (Democrat vs. Republican, Gun Controllers Vs. Non-Gun Controllers, Islam vs Anti-Islam)-- a repeating feedback loop that goes on, and, and on. As W.B. Fucking Yeats said. "turning and turning in the widening gyre..."

I wonder how long we will turn before the cycle is broken.

They forget this one because there is always another to mourn for. This cycle will continue on for as long as there are human beings. All we can do is be grateful for how lucky we are to be alive. And in the meantime, I suppose, try to work out something to deal with ISIS.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hree-days-issuing-warning-Florida-target.html

 

[cans.wav]

If this has already been posted my apolgies but fuck you Yahoo

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-just-nailed-real-143350298.html

 

[Male Idiot]

My country, and the people here including myself are Muslims. We strongly condemn organizations like ISIS and executed those who were found supporting them and those who assisted the suicide bombing that occurred last year at a Shia mosque. We have also mounted efforts for a Counter-terrorist group. The reality of the matter is, those Wahhabist bastards are enemies of everyone, not just the West.

The problem is that a "few apples spoil the barrel" effect is in full force.
The dumb, the mentally disturbed and the craven flock to ISIS not just in the Middle east.
Just like how Westboros make every christian look like a total idiot, so do Wahabis make every muslim look like !!!danger!!! and there is a lot of them migrating all over the place, giving very bad publicity.

In Europe, these people are going after the christian arabs and the Shia muslim arabs too, and liberals got no idea why this is happening.

This situations is going to head from bad to worse . I do feel for the moderates that will get flak for the radicals, but the longer nothing is done about the radicals, the worse everything will get.
A fewer number of pedofiles managed to ruin a thousand years of reputation the Catholic church managed to amass, so this is a very powerful social effect I'm afraid.

Oh Bernie. People will always find ways to kill each other. Home made bombs, black market weapons, or even just knives and boards with nails through them, or if that fails, their bare fists.