Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[SchizoDaemon]

There's a simple answer to that. Those people are retarded. With the number of chargers out there now you can almost always plan to just use the next one on a long trip.

No, there simply aren't enough of them already. The infrastructure doesn't exist where I am.

Anytime you try to bring this up, someone will pretend that country A is the same as Country B. It isn't.

If they're the dumbass that gets to a charger at 3% then, guess what, they're retarded.

I agree.

In cities it's common for chargers to be more busy as people can't charge at home, if you have an EV and can't charge at home... guess what... retarded.

EVs are being made mandatory in the UK for new vehicles in 4 years' time. Many people won't have a choice. That isn't them being retarded. It is being mandated by the government.

I guess there's a third option, following the route planner recommendation,

As I told you before, they are an estimation, and guess what? Often you have to change plans on the fly. I had to drive an extra hour into rural areas with single-track roads that say "not suitable for motor vehicles" because the police closed the one road through a particular village the last time I did a long trip. The only reason I was having to go through that village was because of flooding in another area. I had to do a 50-mile diversion once because a caravan disintegrated on the highway.

I don't have to worry about this being a major problem with a regular car, because there are filling stations everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere in Scotland, Wales or NI.

I just did a sample route and it said "Oh, hey, charge at this charger in the major city at the airport." Yea, fuck that.

Yeh, it's always this: "Just go out of your way to charge," "inconvenience yourself," and "buy this expensive vehicle that's still super expensive with a government subsidy." "Just do all this extra shit that you didn't need to do before."

I don't have to do any of that now. I don't want to have to do any of this in the future. All I have to do before a long journey is check the car over, fill up, stick the location into the satnav/Google Maps and go.

If I'm going 500 miles then I have to stop once, maybe twice anyway unless I want to pee in a bottle. So I need to charge at least once for maybe an extra 15 minutes on one of those two stops.
I'm not sure how adding 15-30 minutes to a 6 hour drive would "double" your time. Now, maybe they have something with under 200 mile range and are trying to take a long trip. I refer back to my first point... "retarded"

I've explained why twice now. I shouldn't do so again, but I will.

You lose a significant amount of time coming off and onto highways and major roads. It depends, obviously, on the location. You may be 15 minutes in the services themselves, but you've lost 30 (or more) minutes on the road because it may take you 5-10 minutes to get back onto the highway. There is one services on the M6, where you have to go through a series of roundabouts and traffic lights to simply enter, and then you have to do all of that over again on the way out. Others, you can simply pull on/off on the slip road. None of this is obvious just looking at a route planner or Google Maps or similar. You only know this from doing the journey repeatedly.

You can also end up hitting busy periods that you otherwise wouldn't have because you've had to wait around. This can literally put you at a standstill.

 

[Betonhaus]

I'm not sure how adding 15-30 minutes to a 6 hour drive would "double" your time. Now, maybe they have something with under 200 mile range and are trying to take a long trip. I refer back to my first point... "retarded

Just out of curiosity do these “rapid chargers” often have lineups for them or are electric vehicles unpopular enough that you can easily find a charger that isn’t in use?

 

[DavidS877]

Just out of curiosity do these “rapid chargers” often have lineups for them or are electric vehicles unpopular enough that you can easily find a charger that isn’t in use?

In the cities, yes, thus my comment about "if you can't charge at home don't get an EV". On long freeway drives in the US there are usually options every 25-50 miles or so, which means just skipping one if it's a problem. I've made the mistake once of trying to charge in a city where there was one at a grocery store where I figured I could get snacks and the charger(and the city) was full of brown people driving Teslas, so I continued up the road and resigned myself to truck stop snacks. In the rural western US you're more likely to encounter a dead charger than a full charger. On some place like my hypothetical Kansas trip if you zoom in then there's a fast charger every 30 miles or so along I-70.

 

[Steve Harwell's ghost]

No, there simply aren't enough of them already. The infrastructure doesn't exist where I am.

This is the crux of my main argument. If Ev's are going to work , how if even in the most well funded/subsidized economies it doesn't work how do we get the river shitters to operate?
shout out to the home *cite not site. Its been a long day.
EV's are the big bang of "progress" they ignore any model for technological development cycle, but its super cool. says who? retards that don' t understand engineering principles, and post in the discussions board on canvas like it's their personal facebook.

 

[DavidS877]

even in the most well funded/subsidized economies

I thought he said he lived in the UK. By the time they mandate EVs the country won't have any gasoline or electricity but it will have a billion Indians.

 

[SchizoDaemon]

I thought he said he lived in the UK. By the time they mandate EVs the country won't have any gasoline or electricity but it will have a billion Indians.

Unfortunately, that is probably going to be the case.

There are propaganda studies put out now and then about how there is going to be no diesel in the UK by 2030 or something ridiculous like that.

This is the crux of my main argument. If Ev's are going to work , how if even in the most well funded/subsidized economies it doesn't work how do we get the river shitters to operate?
shout out to the home *cite not site. Its been a long day.
EV's are the big bang of "progress" they ignore any model for technological development cycle, but its super cool. says who? retards that don' t understand engineering principles, and post in the discussions board on canvas like it's their personal facebook.

The speculation that I've heard (and there are some signs of this) is that everything is going to be relaxed so that there are enough loopholes for traditional vehicles to still be produced. So the bureaucracy will pivot. No idea if that will actually happen.

 

[Steve Harwell's ghost]

Unfortunately, that is probably going to be the case.

There are propaganda studies put out now and then about how there is going to be no diesel in the UK by 2030 or something ridiculous like that.

The speculation that I've heard (and there are some signs of this) is that everything is going to be relaxed so that there are enough loopholes for traditional vehicles to still be produced. So the bureaucracy will pivot. No idea if that will actually happen.

The problem is we need to move to hybrids as an intermediate tech, this would allow a longer development cycle as well as keep the current infrastructure up. The idea we won't have any ICE engines is suicide, like Germany getting ride of all of its power structure in favor of unreliable and inefficient crap.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

Just out of curiosity do these “rapid chargers” often have lineups for them or are electric vehicles unpopular enough that you can easily find a charger that isn’t in use?

No. Not in my experience. 90%+ of your charging is at home (4% for me YTD) and you only stop at supercharger stops on road trips. In 4.5 years I’ve never encountered a broken charger. I did encounter a slow charger once that might as well have had been broken. We just drove carefully to the next charger. But never any wait or issues after that. Tesla supercharger uptime is very good and are carefully well connected to the grid so they stay up when neighborhoods are down, non- Tesla charging networks are garbage. I wouldn’t trust them except for opportunistic charging.


I can’t speak to city superchargers, but I agree with another poster that teslas are very popular with jeets, so I imagine infinitijeet problems will follow.


The car shows you the number of open chargers and broken chargers at each location as well as the charging speed and walkable amenities. That’s really helpful to find superchargers co-located with WaWa’s or Pret a Manger, etc, it’s really handy.


Some areas of the USA still lack charging. One area I drive to weekly is a dark zone and I have to leave the house with 60% or I won’t get home, I can charge in the city I visit, but it requires a 30. Min drive across the city to get there. I can charge at my destination but it’s slow and I’m not guaranteed a spot, instead I just charge the car to at least 85% the night before I leave, it’s not rocket science to think things out a little ahead of time. When I take my gas burner I have 20 gas stations along the way to choose from if I need to fuel up.


At the end of the day I don’t give a shit because my company reimburses me $105 for the mileage while it costs me maybe $7 in electric and a few dollars of tire wear and depreciation. So I’m taking that $90 or so I pocket from that trip and just put it into a special account for the lightly used model S that I’ll buy in 10-12 months

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

The problem is we need to move to hybrids as an intermediate tech, this would allow a longer development cycle as well as keep the current infrastructure up. The idea we won't have any ICE engines is suicide, like Germany getting ride of all of its power structure in favor of unreliable and inefficient crap.

Not really. That just slows progress down and adds complexity and weight.

The hybrid era was 25 years ago. A quarter century now. Hybrid just adds failure points and creates layout and battery compromises. I’ll consneed that there are valid use cases for hybrids where range is paramount. So for me, it makes sense on trucks that tow. (Which impacts BEV significantly more per lb than ICE or hybrid)

 

[DavidS877]

non- Tesla charging networks are garbage. I wouldn’t trust them except for opportunistic charging.

I, on the other hand, avoid Tesla chargers unless there's no other option. Far too slow. Maybe once "real" v4 is rolled out I'll try again.
Not-Tesla:

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

I, on the other hand, avoid Tesla chargers unless there's no other option. Far too slow. Maybe once "real" v4 is rolled out I'll try again.
Not-Tesla: View attachment 9125782

Yeah don’t care. I want easy and not dicking around with other apps. 250kw charged fast enough. Non tesla chargers are for dopes that bought Krautshit EV’s and Hyundais. I hate that those fags can charge near me now

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There's a simple answer to that. Those people are retarded. With the number of chargers out there now you can almost always plan to just use the next one on a long trip.

No, there simply aren't enough of them already. The infrastructure doesn't exist where I am.

Anytime you try to bring this up, someone will pretend that country A is the same as Country B. It isn't.

If they're the dumbass that gets to a charger at 3% then, guess what, they're retarded.

I agree.

In cities it's common for chargers to be more busy as people can't charge at home, if you have an EV and can't charge at home... guess what... retarded.

EVs are being made mandatory in the UK for new vehicles in 4 years' time. Many people won't have a choice. That isn't them being retarded. It is being mandated by the government.

I guess there's a third option, following the route planner recommendation,

As I told you before, they are an estimation, and guess what? Often you have to change plans on the fly. I had to drive an extra hour into rural areas with single-track roads that say "not suitable for motor vehicles" because the police closed the one road through a particular village the last time I did a long trip. The only reason I was having to go through that village was because of flooding in another area. I had to do a 50-mile diversion once because a caravan disintegrated on the highway.

I don't have to worry about this being a major problem with a regular car, because there are filling stations everywhere, even in the middle of nowhere in Scotland, Wales or NI.

I just did a sample route and it said "Oh, hey, charge at this charger in the major city at the airport." Yea, fuck that.

Yeh, it's always this: "Just go out of your way to charge," "inconvenience yourself," and "buy this expensive vehicle that's still super expensive with a government subsidy." "Just do all this extra shit that you didn't need to do before."

I don't have to do any of that now. I don't want to have to do any of this in the future. All I have to do before a long journey is check the car over, fill up, stick the location into the satnav/Google Maps and go.

If I'm going 500 miles then I have to stop once, maybe twice anyway unless I want to pee in a bottle. So I need to charge at least once for maybe an extra 15 minutes on one of those two stops.
I'm not sure how adding 15-30 minutes to a 6 hour drive would "double" your time. Now, maybe they have something with under 200 mile range and are trying to take a long trip. I refer back to my first point... "retarded"

I've explained why twice now. I shouldn't do so again, but I will.

You lose a significant amount of time coming off and onto highways and major roads. It depends, obviously, on the location. You may be 15 minutes in the services themselves, but you've lost 30 (or more) minutes on the road because it may take you 5-10 minutes to get back onto the highway. There is one services on the M6, where you have to go through a series of roundabouts and traffic lights to simply enter, and then you have to do all of that over again on the way out. Others, you can simply pull on/off on the slip road. None of this is obvious just looking at a route planner or Google Maps or similar. You only know this from doing the journey repeatedly.

You can also end up hitting busy periods that you otherwise wouldn't have because you've had to wait around. This can literally put you at a standstill.

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Holy shit. You live in a dystopian hellhole. How the fuck can you not have room for a charger? I’d eat a billet if I couldn’t have a two car garage at minimum and a 200 amp panel. Move to a free country. None of your imaginary copefagging is real for Americans.

 

[DavidS877]

250kw charged fast enough.

Nah, more like 175. Vehicles optimized for 800 Volts don't do well at all on the Tesla chargers.
And it still has more range than any Tesla.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Mitsubishi continues to desecrate the Eclipse name, this time using it for a Nissan Leaf re-badge called the Eclipse Sportback:



Here's what the current Leaf looks like as a comparison:

 

[Eadred]

I hate that those fags can charge near me now

This needs an updated panel with you entering the ring

 

[SchizoDaemon]

Holy shit. You live in a dystopian hellhole. How the fuck can you not have room for a charger? I’d eat a billet if I couldn’t have a two car garage at minimum and a 200 amp panel. Move to a free country. None of your imaginary copefagging is real for Americans.

This is the usual unimaginative nonsense Americans engage in when they don't have a point. I live in a lovely part of the country, and every interaction I have with people is nice, and there is lovely countryside all around me.

As predicted, EV evangelists won't actually engage sensibly with any of the points made to them. They instead suggest you reorganise your entire life around charging the EV.