Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[augment]

Tesla revealed the refreshed version of the Model 3, which is barely that at best. The new Model 3 will go on sale first in Europe, and then the US:

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And as expected, the turn signal and transmission stalks were removed, just like in the Model S and X, and changed to capacitive touch control on the steering wheel for the former, and is a touchscreen control for the latter:

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Other changes include improved sound deadening, standard heated and ventilated seats, and reports of improved driving range.

These changes still scream "mass cost-cutting".

I would comment on how fucking horrible these things look, but we also have the entire west coast falling in love with the Nissan Qashqai or the Kick, so it is irrelevant. It has been mandated by law that all vehicles regardless of power source must look like Suburbanmobile 2000.

 

[seri0us]

The only good new features on cars are the side and rear camera

I'm becoming a master at backing up into parking spaces.
....WITH MY REAR-VIEW CAMERA!!

 

[God's drunkest driver]

Doing away with physical controls for touch based garbage is 100% a cost cutting measure, then the advertisers trick gullible techbros into thinking it's an innovation or an improvement. Any time someone gets rid of a physical button, switch or lever and replaces it with a touch "button" that does the same thing they've done it because it is cheaper.

The only good new features on cars are the side and rear camera and aux cord ports(provided the user experience doesn't go to shit thanks to the center console interface).

Those cameras have gone from nice to have to completely necessary unfortunately. Can't see shit out of modern cars using the windows from any direction but forward. I drove a new supra recently and the visibility out of that car is criminal.

 

[Eager.Move]

Cameras are a result of Federal roll-over standards. The requirements ended up making A and C pillars in cars so thick you can hide a small bus most new car's blind spots.

 

[Betonhaus]

Cameras are a result of Federal roll-over standards. The requirements ended up making A and C pillars in cars so thick you can hide a small bus most new car's blind spots.

Isn't that partially because cars are so heavy now that they would crush pillars thicknesses used in older cars by their own weight?

 

[Thiletonomics]

The Volvo EX30 appears to have been inspired by Tesla's cost cutting techniques in the Model 3 and Y, and made their car without an instrument cluster, and put most of the functionality in a single touchscreen:



The sheer amount of "eco-friendly" materials in the car, and that it is also being built in China, like Lotus's EVs, doesn't inspire confidence either.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I still don't get how turning all cars into 2 ton battery packs is more energy efficient than dimply using smaller cars.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Tesla's cost cutting techniques in the Model 3 and Y, and made their car without an instrument cluster, and put most of the functionality in a single touchscreen:

It doesn't even mention a HUD for basic indications, which is something a lot of mid-range vehicles have had for a while, now.

I still don't get how turning all cars into 2 ton battery packs is more energy efficient than dimply using smaller cars.

Don't you want to save the environment, chud?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The Volvo EX30 appears to have been inspired by Tesla's cost cutting techniques in the Model 3 and Y, and made their car without an instrument cluster, and put most of the functionality in a single touchscreen:

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The sheer amount of "eco-friendly" materials in the car, and that it is also being built in China, like Lotus's EVs, doesn't inspire confidence either.

I hope the screen wipers and turning lights at least are buttons on the wheel, otherwise some kids are going to be run over by boomers trying to use the touch screen. I can't even see an handbrake. This only means that once the shitty chinese ipad breaks the entire car is unusable.

In general those touch screen controlled cars should be banned since they are just asking for trouble, or legalize using phones while driving since it's just as an equivalent distraction.

Fucking no "instrument cluster", instead of the instruments being distributed around the car for an easy access, everything is in a single cluster on a glorified phone with the worst android interface imaginable. Words no longer have any meaning.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

The Volvo EX30 appears to have been inspired by Tesla's cost cutting techniques in the Model 3 and Y, and made their car without an instrument cluster, and put most of the functionality in a single touchscreen:

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The sheer amount of "eco-friendly" materials in the car, and that it is also being built in China, like Lotus's EVs, doesn't inspire confidence either.

I hate that tablet glued to the dash trend. Volvo and Tesla aren't the only ones guilty of it. Here it is on the Ford Escape.

 

[God's drunkest driver]

The sheer amount of "eco-friendly" materials in the car, and that it is also being built in China, like Lotus's EVs, doesn't inspire confidence either.

Volvo already has had one catastrophe with "eco-friendly" materials in their history. Mid '80s Volvos had biodegradable wiring insulation. The harnesses in the engine bay, being exposed to heat and moisture constantly, fell apart within years. It was such an issue that harnesses in some cars were replaced under warranty. Many, many 240s and 740s hit the junkyard prematurely because the wiring harnesses shorted out and burned or were just more expensive to replace than the car was worth. I think they did away with it in '87 or '88.

 

[DavidS877]

Volvo already has had one catastrophe with "eco-friendly" materials in their history. Mid '80s Volvos had biodegradable wiring insulation. The harnesses in the engine bay, being exposed to heat and moisture constantly, fell apart within years. It was such an issue that harnesses in some cars were replaced under warranty. Many, many 240s and 740s hit the junkyard prematurely because the wiring harnesses shorted out and burned or were just more expensive to replace than the car was worth. I think they did away with it in '87 or '88.

Didn't rodents also like to chew on them? Or was that a different soy based insulation fiasco.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Didn't rodents also like to chew on them? Or was that a different soy based insulation fiasco.

I don't remember if that happened with Volvo cars, but Japanese and Korean auto makers fell victim to this, when they started using the said soy-based wiring.

 

[God's drunkest driver]

Didn't rodents also like to chew on them? Or was that a different soy based insulation fiasco.

I don't personally know that, soy based insulation is quite common in modern cars but I'm not sure if that was the Volvo problem. Rodents have chewed silicone and other types of wiring insulation as well so that isn't really a problem isolated to soy based insulation.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Volvo already has had one catastrophe with "eco-friendly" materials in their history. Mid '80s Volvos had biodegradable wiring insulation. The harnesses in the engine bay, being exposed to heat and moisture constantly, fell apart within years. It was such an issue that harnesses in some cars were replaced under warranty. Many, many 240s and 740s hit the junkyard prematurely because the wiring harnesses shorted out and burned or were just more expensive to replace than the car was worth. I think they did away with it in '87 or '88.

Add Benz to that list. They also used biodegradable wire insulation that plagues many 90s models.

 

[Screamer_2]

I still don't get how turning all cars into 2 ton battery packs is more energy efficient than dimply using smaller cars.

It's turning the cars the rich people have into 2 ton battery packs. For most people the plan is for them to not have cars. That is how it is more efficient.

 

[MMS-China]

It's turning the cars the rich people have into 2 ton battery packs. For most people the plan is for them to not have cars. That is how it is more efficient.

There will never be widespread EV usage. Because there isn't the infrastructure to handle mining the rare earth materials at that scale. The entire industry is a grift. Then you have issue of what happens when the car battery degrades like any other battery. Are you gonna pay out the tens of thousands to replace the car battery? Or are you going to sidestep the headache and just buy a whole new car since you don't want want to deal with any other future mechanical/electrical problems that come up due to wear and tear on top of that?

I envision a future EV car graveyard where people have decided the EV battery replacement was simply not worth it. So much for "eco friendly". They are all being taken for a ride.

 

[augment]

Good thing Volvos are for retards I guess.
I wish SAAB hadn't gone down, they truly made some good cars every 6 to 7 years.

 

[Screamer_2]

There will never be widespread EV usage. Because there isn't the infrastructure to handle mining the rare earth materials at that scale.

The puzzle that I don't know. Mind you I literally have put no effort into finding out. Is what the plan is for the third world? Where there is never going to be infrastructure.
Why are western car makers going to hand over those entire markets to India and Chinese car manufactures?

Will it be a game of western brand make EVs, only sold in western countries. Same parent company under other brands make petrol cars for the poor countries? Is is partially that and the second hand market of petrol cars filtering down to poor countries and no thought beyond that?

I just don't get why those markets would be handed over.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The puzzle that I don't know. Mind you I literally have put no effort into finding out. Is what the plan is for the third world? Where there is never going to be infrastructure.
Why are western car makers going to hand over those entire markets to India and Chinese car manufactures?

Will it be a game of western brand make EVs, only sold in western countries. Same parent company under other brands make petrol cars for the poor countries? Is is partially that and the second hand market of petrol cars filtering down to poor countries and no thought beyond that?

I just don't get why those markets would be handed over.

There is no plan. Auto makers chase the money that Tesla made, governments make rules to enforce EVs since they fit the New World Order where you can have assets taken away from you in a click of the button. Sales are no longer mandatory for corporations, just pie in the sky new technologies to attract investors.