Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[Dan Abrams]

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[Just Some Other Guy]

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Shocker. No way was it ever going to be 40k.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

Imagine going to a shop to do a tire rotation. Nigga, put a jack under there yourself ffs.

This is why I say Tesla's and all this other modern gay shit aren't for "car" people. Oh sure, they talk a big game about loving to drive and the acceleration and shit. But boy do they act squeamish about having anything to do with the car outside of driving.

Oh no! Maintenance! So scary. Where's the pride at learning about the nuts and bolts of your ride to keep it going as long as you can? Where's the life? Everytime a bugman talks about cars it sounds so hollow.

I’ve done everything from LS Swaps to JDM motor swaps, and did most of the work on all of my first shitboxes. I’m not at all unfamiliar with doing my own shit or knowing what makes my cars tick.

But I stopped doing my own maintenance in 2007 simply because my time is more valuable to me. I’ve done a few minor repairs since then they when it simply made no sense to pay someone to do it. But anything taking more than a few hours really isn’t worth my time or frustration. I have enough shit I need to fix that isn’t a car.


Who the hell buys a new daily driver and does their own rotations? Maybe if you bought a weekend car new I could see that. But if I can just use the Tesla app on my phone to schedule the rotation, never have to talk to the tech, and have him do it in my driveway for $50, why wouldn’t I? Most owners don’t do any maintenance so why fault me for paying for being engaged and staying on top of it?

Outside of that there is little to no maintenance really. So what am I missing?

Though this video is highly scripted, Ed Bolian the Lamborghini guy pretty nicely explains this difference in philosophy that you mention. Video is time stamped.

Odd cherry-picked comparison here. Exotics and near exotics with the TCBY heir and his auto slum friends. Those are some strange goal posts. Scratching my head why you would use this as any practical rationale against anything.


The Tesla in the video compares well against an Audi A4, BMW 3 series, Lex IS, Infiniti G, MB C class, etc. not half broken exotics the froyo boy and his le 56% goblina americano friend save from the junkyard.


This is a fancy clickbait video made by automotive lolcows where they make a poor comparison that hinges on the “Muh car has an animal spirit and emotion” bullshit. Typical rambling off the wall comparisons meant to awe juvenile dreamers and enrage overly invested boomers into an emotional “I toldyaso!”


Muh body gap!

 

[The Great Milenko]

I’m telling you they are doing it now (and they are only getting better) Go drive a new one for a longer drive than a spin around the parking lot. We know you won’t buy one, but you’ll understand that what I’m trying to convey is accurate


I have faith that demand and the free market will solve production supply scarcity. And “rare earth minerals” doesn’t mean they are that rare. It simply means as a portion of the earth’s makeup. Rare earth minerals are effectively extracted in industrial quantity all of the time.

The problem is energy production. Forget gay windmills and faggot solar farms. We need modern nuclear reactors. Big ones. And lots of them. Then modernize transmission grid and then everyone can suck down electrons cheap .

I have no interest in an EV. Call me gay, but I like the "hur hur car go vroooom!" of a V8. I still laugh at the homosexes that drive a Hyundai Genesis with tricked out performance exhausts. That is the mating call of a upper middle class, Chadrina. If anything I'll wait for a Porche Taycan. Someone who knows how to build a performance automobile.

I'm not sure if you realize, but there are already issues with Lithium mining. We know there is not enough lithium to meet demand already. It takes an average of 8 years for a mine to come online.

It is not an insurmountable issue over the next 100 years, but it will not happen in 13 years. Bull fucking shit. Manufactures are looking at other types of battery chemistries as we speak. Hydrogen is still being researched. Charging infrastructure is in it's infancy. Storage is in its infancy. Even if we had *mass production right now* on these solutions it will still take over a decade or more for people do adopt. The reality is we need another decade of research, one more decade to bring those results up to mass production, another decade plus for people to adopt. We will be long gone by then; only your grandchildren will have an idea.

In time, and again not in 13 years. You know what's ideal? Keep on improving ICE vehicles, add hybrids in the mix, and continue to develop EV technology. Focus on other areas that are huge swaths of carbon polluters like industrial and agriculture. Politicians are not your friends and they are lying.

 

[The Ugly One]

I’m telling you they are doing it now (and they are only getting better) Go drive a new one for a longer drive than a spin around the parking lot. We know you won’t buy one, but you’ll understand that what I’m trying to convey is accurate

I see Tesla at the bottom of JD Power rankings. Body panel gaps speak to larger problems in being able to minimize variations during manufacturing. Last time I saw numbers, Tesla had worst-in-industry factory productivity and scrap rates, and the little bits of quality data we can all paint a consistent picture of Teslas being absolute shitboxes, which is embarrassing considering the price tier they're in. They're now years late on Semi, Roadster 2, Cybertruck, Cyberquad and Full Self-Driving. Wasn't Personal Assistant supposed to be prototyped soon, too? Well-functioning companies are not failing this hard to bring products to market.

The biggest advantage Tesla has over the Euro EV makers now is

1. Tesla lies about range
2. Tesla does far less QA/QC in order to get to market faster
3. Tesla is better at refusing to honor warranties
4. Tesla is better at refusing to issue recalls

But yeah, service costs are pretty low on EV’s. I had my tires rotated in my driveway along with other inspections for $50.

Oh wow, you saved a whole $25 every few months over a conventional service charge! A Model Y is a $60,000 car. You have nigger levels of financial literacy if you think the price of a cocktail and an appetizer matters.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

I have no interest in an EV. Call me gay, but I like the "hur hur car go vroooom!" of a V8. I still laugh at the homosexes that drive a Hyundai Genesis with tricked out performance exhausts. That is the mating call of a upper middle class, Chadrina. If anything I'll wait for a Porche Taycan. Someone who knows how to build a performance automobile.

I'm not sure if you realize, but there are already issues with Lithium mining. We know there is not enough lithium to meet demand already. It takes an average of 8 years for a mine to come online.

It is not an insurmountable issue over the next 100 years, but it will not happen in 13 years. Bull fucking shit. Manufactures are looking at other types of battery chemistries as we speak. Hydrogen is still being researched. Charging infrastructure is in it's infancy. Storage is in its infancy. Even if we had *mass production right now* on these solutions it will still take over a decade or more for people do adopt. The reality is we need another decade of research, one more decade to bring those results up to mass production, another decade plus for people to adopt. We will be long gone by then; only your grandchildren will have an idea.

In time, and again not in 13 years. You know what's ideal? Keep on improving ICE vehicles, add hybrids in the mix, and continue to develop EV technology. Focus on other areas that are huge swaths of carbon polluters like industrial and agriculture. Politicians are not your friends and they are lying.

The same thing was insisted the truth about oil 40 years ago. Still have plenty.

Batteries may not need or need as much lithium on the future.


I like the large Hyundai Genesis sedans and crossovers. The G80 and G90 with the 5.0 liter V8 are fucking cool. But why bother when you can get a lightly used Lexus in the same class?

I see Tesla at the bottom of JD Power rankings. Body panel gaps speak to larger problems in being able to minimize variations during manufacturing. Last time I saw numbers, Tesla had worst-in-industry factory productivity and scrap rates, and the little bits of quality data we can all paint a consistent picture of Teslas being absolute shitboxes, which is embarrassing considering the price tier they're in. They're now years late on Semi, Roadster 2, Cybertruck, Cyberquad and Full Self-Driving. Wasn't Personal Assistant supposed to be prototyped soon, too? Well-functioning companies are not failing this hard to bring products to market.

The biggest advantage Tesla has over the Euro EV makers now is

1. Tesla lies about range
2. Tesla does far less QA/QC in order to get to market faster
3. Tesla is better at refusing to honor warranties
4. Tesla is better at refusing to issue recalls

Oh wow, you saved a whole $25 every few months over a conventional service charge! A Model Y is a $60,000 car. You have nigger levels of financial literacy if you think the price of a cocktail and an appetizer matters. You can keep up with the personal attacks but they are falling short as well. You just keep missing the entire point of my presence here.

We’re going around in circles here. I’ve Already addressed all of your clickbait title claims. Some of the issues are genuine but limited in scope, already improving, or are edge cases typical of a company growing this quickly. Most other issues are not unique to Tesla or EV’s. There is no “gotcha”. You can keep trying to land some insults but so far they have all missed. You really don’t understand why I am in this thread at all. I’m simply relaying the point of view as an owner of one of these things. EV adoption is coming and all of the little boomer filled echo chambers on the internet can’t change that. (Just today my MIL put her reservation down for a model Y long range)

Lol teslas make everyone so mad. It’s hilarious. Nothing but copingand sneeding now.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I’ve done everything from LS Swaps to JDM motor swaps, and did most of the work on all of my first shitboxes. I’m not at all unfamiliar with doing my own shit or knowing what makes my cars tick.

But I stopped doing my own maintenance in 2007 simply because my time is more valuable to me. I’ve done a few minor repairs since then they when it simply made no sense to pay someone to do it. But anything taking more than a few hours really isn’t worth my time or frustration. I have enough shit I need to fix that isn’t a car.


Who the hell buys a new daily driver and does their own rotations? Maybe if you bought a weekend car new I could see that. But if I can just use the Tesla app on my phone to schedule the rotation, never have to talk to the tech, and have him do it in my driveway for $50, why wouldn’t I? Most owners don’t do any maintenance so why fault me for paying for being engaged and staying on top of it?

Outside of that there is little to no maintenance really. So what am I missing?

Though this video is highly scripted, Ed Bolian the Lamborghini guy pretty nicely explains this difference in philosophy that you mention. Video is time stamped.

Odd cherry-picked comparison here. Exotics and near exotics with the TCBY heir and his auto slum friends. Those are some strange goal posts. Scratching my head why you would use this as any practical rationale against anything.


The Tesla in the video compares well against an Audi A4, BMW 3 series, Lex IS, Infiniti G, MB C class, etc. not half broken exotics the froyo boy and his le 56% goblina americano friend save from the junkyard.


This is a fancy clickbait video made by automotive lolcows where they make a poor comparison that hinges on the “Muh car has an animal spirit and emotion” bullshit. Typical rambling off the wall comparisons meant to awe juvenile dreamers and enrage overly invested boomers into an emotional “I toldyaso!”


Muh body gap!

You're missing the point of what Ed's saying and you sound kind of MATI. In the context of the video, all the cars are at or less than the price of a new Model 3. What Ed's saying is the driving experience that the Model 3 offers is not the same as something more driver focused. He shows the electronic nannies, what they're doing, and explains that those features are not what a person who wants to drive the car is looking for.

That's not to say the Model 3 is a bad car. He's simply saying it's a bad driver's car. For normies who want the hip EV life and don't mind making a Tesla account to use the car, the car is great for them.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

You're missing the point of what Ed's saying and you sound kind of MATI. In the context of the video, all the cars are at or less than the price of a new Model 3. What Ed's saying is the driving experience that the Model 3 offers is not the same as something more driver focused. He shows the electronic nannies, what they're doing, and explains that those features are not what a person who wants to drive the car is looking for.

That's not to say the Model 3 is a bad car. He's simply saying it's a bad driver's car. For normies who want the hip EV life and don't mind making a Tesla account to use the car, the car is great for them.

The drivers he’s describing should be buying a Ducati. But he’s missing the mark in identifying daily drivers that enthusiasts would appreciate (I.e the bmw 3 / 5 series formula ) by introducing depreciated oddballs to the mix. I’m shopping for a depreciated oddball myself (albeit a bit more practical and limited than YT income allows) so maybe a cayman S, which would fit well with the cars in the video (albeit a few rungs lower on the ladder)

The discussion really needs to stay within scope of what the vehicles compete against directly, and the intended consumer (market).


If we’re going to sling videos at each other as a proxy for a proper argument or experience, take a look at savage geese’s review of the model 3. It’s quite fair IMO but keep in mind that his test car is 3 years old at this point and the cars have improved consistently

https://youtu.be/SPEWaBYj4lA

 

[Car Won't Crank]

The drivers he’s describing should be buying a Ducati. But he’s missing the mark in identifying daily drivers that enthusiasts would appreciate (I.e the bmw 3 / 5 series formula ) by introducing depreciated oddballs to the mix. I’m shopping for a depreciated oddball myself (albeit a bit more practical and limited than YT income allows) so maybe a cayman S, which would fit well with the cars in the video (albeit a few rungs lower on the ladder)

The discussion really needs to stay within scope of what the vehicles compete against directly, and the intended consumer (market).

A Ducati is a bike so that won't work. The super high mileage Bentley he uses as the example is a bit hyperbolic but the original point he makes about driving pleasure compared to the Model 3 still stands. I don't see how that's not within the scope of alternatives. You're forgetting that enthusiasts are a weird bunch. It seems you want to narrow the range of alternative cars for no good reason other than a pro Tesla bias.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

A Ducati is a bike so that won't work. The super high mileage Bentley he uses as the example is a bit hyperbolic but the original point he makes about driving pleasure compared to the Model 3 still stands. I don't see how that's not within the scope of alternatives. You're forgetting that enthusiasts are a weird bunch. It seems you want to narrow the range of alternative cars for no good reason other than a pro Tesla bias.

No need to. I was never arguing that the model 3 is a replacement for any of that (or EV’s in general). The Mormon yogurt Scion has a nice garage and good taste in cars, but I have to drive for work five days a week and do family shit,. The model 3 really does that nicely and efficiently (while being a bit of fun).

90% of the stuff you guys hate about Tesla or EV’s is already a gripe about the state of modern ICE automobiles. EVs actually solve a bunch of the bullshit in modern IcE cars and the business in general.

I’m simply arguing that the qualities an enthusiast seeks are not disposed of entirely when buying a Tesla. It’s a daily driver. The comparisons should indeed be narrowed down. But I know that won’t be possible with edge case seekers, which is where this conversation devolved to at some point. But I was inundated with accusations that I’m not manly enough to rotate my own wheels amongst other accusations in order to imply that these things are the realm of computer touchers in Silicon Valley. You can believe what you want, but I’m adamant that these cars are the real deal and can be viable choices to people resistant to the, ( I would know, I was one of them). And soon many of you will be as well…

 

[teriyakiburns]

The same thing was insisted the truth about oil 40 years ago. Still have plenty.

There's a variety of reasons why that comparison is retarded, the largest being the difference between how oil and lithium are extracted. It's not a vague prediction of one day the stuff might run out, but rather the current reality that lithium extraction is already far behind demand, but also unlikely to increase supply remotely fast enough to meet projected future demand. Lithium mines are costly, environmentally damaging due to the processes they use, and restricted in how quickly they can extract. Brine extraction, while superficially less damaging, is space limited due to the huge evaporation ponds required. This is another example of the falsehood that bev cars are environmentally friendly.

 

[Maurice Caine]

I see Tesla at the bottom of JD Power rankings. Body panel gaps speak to larger problems in being able to minimize variations during manufacturing. Last time I saw numbers, Tesla had worst-in-industry factory productivity and scrap rates, and the little bits of quality data we can all paint a consistent picture of Teslas being absolute shitboxes, which is embarrassing considering the price tier they're in. They're now years late on Semi, Roadster 2, Cybertruck, Cyberquad and Full Self-Driving. Wasn't Personal Assistant supposed to be prototyped soon, too? Well-functioning companies are not failing this hard to bring products to market.

The biggest advantage Tesla has over the Euro EV makers now is

1. Tesla lies about range
2. Tesla does far less QA/QC in order to get to market faster
3. Tesla is better at refusing to honor warranties
4. Tesla is better at refusing to issue recalls

Oh wow, you saved a whole $25 every few months over a conventional service charge! A Model Y is a $60,000 car. You have nigger levels of financial literacy if you think the price of a cocktail and an appetizer matters.

Why the hell is Tesla so valued? Elon Musk doesn't deserve to be richest man alive.

 

[The Ugly One]

90% of the stuff you guys hate about Tesla or EV’s is already a gripe about the state of modern ICE automobiles. EVs actually solve a bunch of the bullshit in modern IcE cars and the business in general.

90% of what people hate about Teslas is they're pieces of shit that fall apart, leave the factory with missing parts, have non-automotive grade parts that fail prematurely, have awful paint jobs that easily chip and flake after a surprisingly short time, and have nowhere near the advertised battery life, particularly in cold climates.

Why the hell is Tesla so valued? Elon Musk doesn't deserve to be richest man alive.

People look at lines going up and to the right on graphs, extend them out forever, and buy based on that. Tesla revenue is up 25% YOY. The big companies are flat. But the reason the big companies are flat is there's nowhere to grow into; the global market is saturated as has been for a while. There are places for Tesla to continue to gain, but it's actually starting to lose market share in Europe, and it's currently priced at 10x the value of VW AG. Either VW needs to collapse or Tesla needs to find a way to sell 20 million cars a year for that to make any sense at all.

There other interesting factors when you scratch the surface. Big auto companies don't go to market without rigorous QA/QC. It takes a year or more to certify a part. Because of government-ordered economic shutdowns during the COVID panic, there continue to be chip shortages preventing deliveries. Tesla just started going to market with uncertified chips and even leaving some parts out of cars it deemed unnecessary. So they were the only car company to actually grow during that period - but they grew by selling cars that were even lower quality than its usual offerings.

 

[The Grognard]

Tesla also has the biggest hype-machine in the whole automotive industry so of course it's gonna get a highly inflated stock price because most investors absolutely believe in the hype. Those who don't know that they can make a good buck by ensuring the stock prices keep climbing.

 

[Maurice Caine]

People look at lines going up and to the right on graphs, extend them out forever, and buy based on that. Tesla revenue is up 25% YOY. The big companies are flat. But the reason the big companies are flat is there's nowhere to grow into; the global market is saturated as has been for a while. There are places for Tesla to continue to gain, but it's actually starting to lose market share in Europe, and it's currently priced at 10x the value of VW AG. Either VW needs to collapse or Tesla needs to find a way to sell 20 million cars a year for that to make any sense at all.

There other interesting factors when you scratch the surface. Big auto companies don't go to market without rigorous QA/QC. It takes a year or more to certify a part. Because of government-ordered economic shutdowns during the COVID panic, there continue to be chip shortages preventing deliveries. Tesla just started going to market with uncertified chips and even leaving some parts out of cars it deemed unnecessary. So they were the only car company to actually grow during that period - but they grew by selling cars that were even lower quality than its usual offerings.

RegularCarReviews said on one of his recent videos that the Model S was the "most influential car of the 21st century" like it was nothing. I didn't even know what the car looked like before I googled it. I have never seen a Tesla in my life. I don't know anyone that owns a Tesla and he says it's the most influential car of this century? lmao

 

[The Grognard]

RegularCarReviews said on one of his recent videos that the Model S was the "most influential car of the 21st century" like it was nothing. I didn't even know what the car looked like before I googled it. I have never seen a Tesla in my life. I don't know anyone that owns a Tesla and he says it's the most influential car of this century? lmao

The only thing the Tesla changed in the electric car market was finding a way to make electric cars cool in the eyes of the plebs. Practical electric cars have been a thing in the past and some recent ones have indeed been good enough to be fit for general consumption, like the Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi i-Miev, and half a dozen French attempts in the 2000's. However, in the eyes of the pleb these things are exactly the sort of cars that only bugmen would ever want to own because even the normies of normies didn't want something that had less range, seats and size as the Cross-Over section of the market, which mainly consists of larger and bulkier hatchbacks pretending to be SUVs, but without the SUV stigma. The thing Tesla figured out was finding a way to make them cool in the eyes of the dot-com neo-yuppie who just wants something that makes them feel like they live in the future. This segment also gave the brand the status of being a luxury car that's on the cutting edge.

 

[teriyakiburns]

RegularCarReviews said on one of his recent videos that the Model S was the "most influential car of the 21st century" like it was nothing.

First RCR I actually checked out of, because what the fuck? I might watch it later and see what else he has to say. I suppose he could mean influential because they showed it was possible to make a new brand with a cult-like following and kick-start other companies into chasing the electric market, or perhaps that they're all following Tesla design cues for the interior and making it "minimalist" - i.e. throwing all the user functions behind an endless nest of menus on a giant ipad screen. But mostly, the manufacturers are chasing subsidies and running ahead of arbitrary emissions mandates, which isn't really a Tesla-influenced outcome at all.

I didn't even know what the car looked like before I googled it. I have never seen a Tesla in my life. I don't know anyone that owns a Tesla and he says it's the most influential car of this century? lmao

There's six near me, probably because I live near a Tesla dealership. You'd think there would be more, but just six that I've seen; I recognise the number plates after seeing them so often. Two of them are regulars on my bi-weekly commute up and down the M6, which is always fun. I've started waving to them. They might even wave back one day.

 

[The Ugly One]

RegularCarReviews said on one of his recent videos that the Model S was the "most influential car of the 21st century" like it was nothing. I didn't even know what the car looked like before I googled it. I have never seen a Tesla in my life. I don't know anyone that owns a Tesla and he says it's the most influential car of this century? lmao

It's not an unreasonable thing to say TBH. The Model S proved EVs could be commercially viable and mostly function as intended. If it hadn't been for the relative success of Model S kicking off Tesla's growth and making retarded politicians fall for the EV hype, I doubt we'd be talking about the EU's locked-in ban on ICE engines or when the USA is going to follow suit.

 

[A Gay Retard]

I don't let Teslas change lanes and I cut them off in traffic because I know their bing bing wahoo computer won't let them rear end me.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

The only thing the Tesla changed in the electric car market was finding a way to make electric cars cool in the eyes of the plebs. Practical electric cars have been a thing in the past and some recent ones have indeed been good enough to be fit for general consumption, like the Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi i-Miev, and half a dozen French attempts in the 2000's. However, in the eyes of the pleb these things are exactly the sort of cars that only bugmen would ever want to own because even the normies of normies didn't want something that had less range, seats and size as the Cross-Over section of the market, which mainly consists of larger and bulkier hatchbacks pretending to be SUVs, but without the SUV stigma. The thing Tesla figured out was finding a way to make them cool in the eyes of the dot-com neo-yuppie who just wants something that makes them feel like they live in the future. This segment also gave the brand the status of being a luxury car that's on the cutting edge.

They also revolutionized a viable rapid charging infrastructure, packaging of EV’s, created a vertical supply chain for battery production, and advanced battery management systems to make living with one of these things simple. Not to mention advance the art of manufacturing to use massive single casting processes and overall simplifying engineering of automobile manufacturing