Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

[A Gay Retard]

Tesla drivers are fags and when people see you driving your Tesla, many think "faggot" silently.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

No need to. I was never arguing that the model 3 is a replacement for any of that (or EV’s in general). The Mormon yogurt Scion has a nice garage and good taste in cars, but I have to drive for work five days a week and do family shit,. The model 3 really does that nicely and efficiently (while being a bit of fun).

90% of the stuff you guys hate about Tesla or EV’s is already a gripe about the state of modern ICE automobiles. EVs actually solve a bunch of the bullshit in modern IcE cars and the business in general.

I’m simply arguing that the qualities an enthusiast seeks are not disposed of entirely when buying a Tesla. It’s a daily driver. The comparisons should indeed be narrowed down. But I know that won’t be possible with edge case seekers, which is where this conversation devolved to at some point. But I was inundated with accusations that I’m not manly enough to rotate my own wheels amongst other accusations in order to imply that these things are the realm of computer touchers in Silicon Valley. You can believe what you want, but I’m adamant that these cars are the real deal and can be viable choices to people resistant to the, ( I would know, I was one of them). And soon many of you will be as well…

That incorrect. Yes EVs are mechanically simpler than the typical petrol car but the Tesla in particular does not solve any bullshit. That is what I am trying to convey. For starters, the car is always wirelessly connected to the internet and you need some bullshit app and account on your phone to use the car. It's touted as a convenience feature but in actuality it's a bunch of unneeded bs. You still need to service brake fluids, coolant, brake pads, tires and other normal car stuff like any old Toyota. The whole point of mentioning Ed's comment on the Tesla in that video is that the car is not a one car fits all car especially if you want it as a driver's car.

They are the real deal for certain people, you happen to be one of them. The Model 3 is in my price range, however there are too many issues for me, as someone who actually wants to own the car. That's great you enjoy yours. That doesn't mean it's the real deal for everyone. Also I think the exterior styling is not that appealing, subjective I know. Alternatives already exist for those who want an economical daily driver to compliment their fun cars at a cheaper price.

 

[A Gay Retard]

I am sure there are Tesla owner meetups just like all car make and model enthusiast groups do, but what in the hell would Tesla owners even talk about? There's no modifications to be done, no real custom work that exists beyond plasti-dipping the exterior. All they could really do is stand around and show each other the list of DLC features already installed in the car that they've paid for the privilege of unlocking, as listed on their smartphone screens.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

I am sure there are Tesla owner meetups just like all car make and model enthusiast groups do, but what in the hell would Tesla owners even talk about? There's no modifications to be done, no real custom work that exists beyond plasti-dipping the exterior. All they could really do is stand around and show each other the list of DLC features already installed in the car that they've paid for the privilege of unlocking, as listed on their smartphone screens.

Idk, probably huff farts and see who can achieve the most soulless, gutted "minimalistic" look.

 

[The Grognard]

I am sure there are Tesla owner meetups just like all car make and model enthusiast groups do, but what in the hell would Tesla owners even talk about? There's no modifications to be done, no real custom work that exists beyond plasti-dipping the exterior. All they could really do is stand around and show each other the list of DLC features already installed in the car that they've paid for the privilege of unlocking, as listed on their smartphone screens.

The cult of Tesla from my experience tends to just brag about how many options they have in their cars. They also assume there's no other electric car manufacturers in the world and tend to think Musk is somewhere between Jesus and Steve Jobs.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

I'm not surprised you can’t tell. But you also cannot tell me how buying tires and tints is any more of buying a service than it is for your ten gallon Texas truck. You’re not even able to tell me what this means. Acceleration boost stays with the car. I don’t have to subscribe to my steering wheel or it uploads itself back to California. But I bet you’d appreciate a subscription for DEF.

If the company you bought the car from can change any parameter OTA on a whim, you don't own it. Even Mother Deere doesn't use JDLink to fuck with equipment that had 1s and 0s changed around after its out of warranty. You bought a car from a company more vindictive than Deere and they permanently disabled every new tractor the Chechens stole from a Ukraine.

Teslas do not depreciate like a meteor. Depending on when you bought one in 2020-2021, people were making $8-10k selling their car to outfits like car max and carvanna, where used teslas sell for more than new ones. I don’t know or care about the values of other EV’s but they probably do suck to your misinformed point,

Yes they do and I'm almost sure I showed you this chart before. Everything sold for $10K+ than it did in 2019 because of lack of supply. My 10 year old chassis cab truck basically doubled in value.

I did finance the balance after a substantial down payment. With 2% financing I’d be stupid not to. Is not staying liquid and paying cash for $75k deluxe redneck trucks some sort of working class hero flex ?

Again, If a $55K car hurts your liquidity you don't have money.

No wonder truck guys are lining up on their knees to pay $5-10k markup at the dealer over msrp for a decent truck these days. It’s bragging rights over the last redneck that just swallowed the entire sales team.

Weirdly, if you have a working relationship with a dealer they will order a truck for MSRP. Which is still more than I'd normally pay, but it beats paying over MSRP for whatever they have on the lot.

 

[The Ugly One]

They also revolutionized a viable rapid charging infrastructure, packaging of EV’s, created a vertical supply chain for battery production, and advanced battery management systems to make living with one of these things simple. Not to mention advance the art of manufacturing to use massive single casting processes and overall simplifying engineering of automobile manufacturing

Tesla's manufacturing is objectively worse and far more prone to variations and failures than others' processes. They didn't advance shit. The Fremont plant is a continuously rolling disaster; nobody is looking to the Tesla parking lot tent's worst-in-class productivity and eye-poppingly terrible scrap rates to learn how to make cars. Tesla never schooled Toyota on lean manufacturing. Christ, they can't even school 1970s-era Chrysler on manufacturing.

I did finance the balance after a substantial down payment. With 2% financing I’d be stupid not to. Is not staying liquid and paying cash for $75k deluxe redneck trucks some sort of working class hero flex ? No wonder truck guys are lining up on their knees to pay $5-10k markup at the dealer over msrp for a decent truck these days. It’s bragging rights over the last redneck that just swallowed the entire sales team.

If Elon Musk understands the light truck market as well as you do, that would at least partially explain why Cybertruck is such a clown show.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Gasoline Ford F-150 XLT MSRP: 39000 USD https://archive.ph/wip/8Jqfm
Ford F-150 Lightning XLT MSRP: 53000 USD, with a three year waiting list https://archive.ph/wip/7GLeF

With an otherwise identical spec, the electric version of the same vehicle costs almost 15k more than the ICE version. In exchange, you get reduced range and cargo capacity, along with the inability to tow an empty trailer more than 60 or so miles.

This price is set by the material and construction costs - expenses that are not going to be reducing at any time in the near future, but will instead increase due to the fact that the supply cannot scale with projected demand.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Gasoline Ford F-150 XLT MSRP: 39000 USD https://archive.ph/wip/8Jqfm
Ford F-150 Lightning XLT MSRP: 53000 USD, with a three year waiting list https://archive.ph/wip/7GLeF

With an otherwise identical spec, the electric version of the same vehicle costs almost 15k more than the ICE version. In exchange, you get reduced range and cargo capacity, along with the inability to tow an empty trailer more than 60 or so miles.

This price is set by the material and construction costs - expenses that are not going to be reducing at any time in the near future, but will instead increase due to the fact that the supply cannot scale with projected demand.

The auction/second hand market is even worse for the F150 Lightning right now. The same thing happened with the Bronco though but I think Broncos can be had at msrp more readily now that the craze has died down.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

Why the hell is Tesla so valued? Elon Musk doesn't deserve to be richest man alive.

excellent marketing. plus until literally this year it seemed like he was the only game in town. 80% marketshare in what will become the sole category of cars. its like how google has been synonymous with search for most people, except if internet searches cost $100k.

Tesla also has the biggest hype-machine in the whole automotive industry so of course it's gonna get a highly inflated stock price because most investors absolutely believe in the hype. Those who don't know that they can make a good buck by ensuring the stock prices keep climbing.

exactly, how many auto execs besides elon can anyone even name from the last 20 years? none of them know how to market either. Outside of the Farley cousin none have even tried. meanwhile musk has been appearing in films, tv shows, memes, social media, and doing interviews on a scale no other tech ceo does. musk was getting publications to call him the real life tony stark at the premier of iron man 1.

there's a reason in porn women have to say a dicks big, it does't matter what size it truely is whether its 8 inches or 8 centimeters. its because the marketing matters more than the reality. its why apple's 1984 ad is considered iconic when the machine they were selling was sort of a piece of shit. the pinto didn't explode more than any other car either.

beyond that tesla does stuff that people hated the auto companies for not doing. tesla didn't do dealerships for the longest time, and did OTA updates instead of that obnoxious "come into the dealership for some bullshit, so we can find a problem and charge you for it" stuff. Those two things and doing away with model years was entirely revolutionary, even the look of the cars, the electric cars from before looked like the equivalent of school shooters. Tesla with the gullwing doors and poor man's luxury car made it seem like the future. same with the ipad instead of knobs or the grill.

you all forget but no grill was like questioning religion, shocking for its time and outrageous. elon musk really wanted Tesla to stand out in every way possible even if it meant bad decisions/more cost/crappier quality.
beyond that the model S truely knocked shit out of the park. didn't it supposedly have some amazing safety/quality rating? its why when the model 3 was announced he had one million pre-orders. beating out the previous pre-order record from other car companies by one million pre-orders.

the company's production might be absolute dogshit, but the marketing pushed what could barely be considered a production car company into being considered more valuable than the rest of the industry combined.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

excellent marketing. plus until literally this year it seemed like he was the only game in town. 80% marketshare in what will become the sole category of cars. its like how google has been synonymous with search for most people, except if internet searches cost $100k.

exactly, how many auto execs besides elon can anyone even name from the last 20 years? none of them know how to market either. Outside of the Farley cousin none have even tried. meanwhile musk has been appearing in films, tv shows, memes, social media, and doing interviews on a scale no other tech ceo does. musk was getting publications to call him the real life tony stark at the premier of iron man 1.

there's a reason in porn women have to say a dicks big, it does't matter what size it truely is whether its 8 inches or 8 centimeters. its because the marketing matters more than the reality. its why apple's 1984 ad is considered iconic when the machine they were selling was sort of a piece of shit. the pinto didn't explode more than any other car either.

beyond that tesla does stuff that people hated the auto companies for not doing. tesla didn't do dealerships for the longest time, and did OTA updates instead of that obnoxious "come into the dealership for some bullshit, so we can find a problem and charge you for it" stuff. Those two things and doing away with model years was entirely revolutionary, even the look of the cars, the electric cars from before looked like the equivalent of school shooters. Tesla with the gullwing doors and poor man's luxury car made it seem like the future. same with the ipad instead of knobs or the grill.

you all forget but no grill was like questioning religion, shocking for its time and outrageous. elon musk really wanted Tesla to stand out in every way possible even if it meant bad decisions/more cost/crappier quality.
beyond that the model S truely knocked shit out of the park. didn't it supposedly have some amazing safety/quality rating? its why when the model 3 was announced he had one million pre-orders. beating out the previous pre-order record from other car companies by one million pre-orders.

the company's production might be absolute dogshit, but the marketing pushed what could barely be considered a production car company into being considered more valuable than the rest of the industry combined.

Well in recent times there's the Ford vs Ferrari movie where Lee Iacocca is given a brief spotlight, the executive who started the Mustang sports car line. I don't think the grill debate was that heated. I certainly don't remember it. There are many normal petrol sports cars without big grills. You can basically add all of Porsche's Boxster and 911s on that list and other MR layout cars. I don't really count the small slits on the bottom part of the front bumper as grills.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Small grilles look fine as long as it matches the front end of the car.

The model 3s I see around look retarded because they're just chunky enough looking up front that they could really use something to break it up.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

Well in recent times there's the Ford vs Ferrari movie where Lee Iacocca is given a brief spotlight, the executive who started the Mustang sports car line. I don't think the grill debate was that heated. I certainly don't remember it. There are many normal petrol sports cars without big grills. You can basically add all of Porsche's Boxster and 911s on that list and other MR layout cars. I don't really count the small slits on the bottom part of the front bumper as grills.

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exactly, the only other ceo you could name was a movie character. and the guy he was based on died 50 years ago.

 

[Kheapathic]

I'll agree up until the Mars meme shit. But like Tesla "bet the company on the Model 3", he is saying the same thing about Space X. Work 24 hours a day, because we are heading to bankruptcy.
Creating reusable rockets is a good idea to reduce costs of payloads sending up to orbit. But this Mars shit? There will not be a Mars colony this century. If he was actually smart, try it here on Earth first. Build a biodome in the middle of the Sahara, the Arctic, or Antarctica. Baby steps. This is Spruce Goose level shit.

The problem with Musk is he's trying to skip the standard scientific advancement of small steps with the occasional leap. It's like he's trying to jump from the ground floor up to the fifth floor, without understanding all the steps it takes to get there. He wants rockets and Mars, that's cool; I wouldn't trust anything from his company because he runs his mouth without any idea of the how it'll get it done or make it work. He told people he'll sell you a $60,000 car that can earn up to $30,000 by itself or find and go to you anywhere in the USA at the push of a button; damn, that does sound nice. Until you realize he's saying he created a goose that lays a golden egg and he's willing to sell you the goose at only double of the annual earning potential; and the old adage applies, that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is... but he was applauded and trotted out as the man who's gonna lead us into the next leap of human advancement. Meanwhile his cyber-truck and tesla semi, that is allegedly gonna replace rail because it beats it, that's years late, with no updates. And everyone claims he's so smart; despite him making his money because his web company was bought out by Confinity, which later became PayPal, which he was the CEO of for less than a year before being removed because the board didn't like him.

I'd expect a Mars lander to come packed with tranny hookers and when someone asks where the plants or air is gonna come from, he looks at them and asks "Air?"

 

[Car Won't Crank]

exactly, the only other ceo you could name was a movie character. and the guy he was based on died 50 years ago.

Well that's just in pop culture like you mentioned. There are a bunch of other auto executives big names who haven't been memed into pop culture like Musk who are also well known from the likes of BMW's Chris Bangle, John DeLorean, former BMW M division head Albert Biermann who leads the Hyundai N division, GM head engineer who lead the Camaro design Al Oppenheiser, Akio Toyoda for being head of Toyota, LFA design lead Haruhiko Tanahashi, and NSX test driver Ayrton Senna. Senna of course as we know also has a McLaren named after him which is a pretty big deal, along with the accompanying Lego set of the McLaren Senna GTR. A personal favorite of mine is the designer of the E90 sedan and wagon, the beautiful E39, and the Z3 - Joji Nagashima. All of those designs have aged so well.

 

[Uber driver reviewer]

I am sure there are Tesla owner meetups just like all car make and model enthusiast groups do, but what in the hell would Tesla owners even talk about? There's no modifications to be done, no real custom work that exists beyond plasti-dipping the exterior. All they could really do is stand around and show each other the list of DLC features already installed in the car that they've paid for the privilege of unlocking, as listed on their smartphone screens.

We talk about how mad other people get at our cars….

 

[The Grognard]

Well that's just in pop culture like you mentioned. There are a bunch of other auto executives big names who haven't been memed into pop culture like Musk who are also well known from the likes of BMW's Chris Bangle, John DeLorean, former BMW M division head Albert Biermann who leads the Hyundai N division, GM head engineer who lead the Camaro design Al Oppenheiser, Akio Toyoda for being head of Toyota, LFA design lead Haruhiko Tanahashi, and NSX test driver Ayrton Senna. Senna of course as we know also has a McLaren named after him which is a pretty big deal, along with the accompanying Lego set of the McLaren Senna GTR. A personal favorite of mine is the designer of the E90 sedan and wagon, the beautiful E39, and the Z3 - Joji Nagashima. All of those designs have aged so well.

Don't forget Ferdinand Porsche, Frank Williams and Enzo Ferrari. These three were amongst the most significant people in the realm of motorsports during their time.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

We talk about how mad other people get at our cars….

Ah, so it's a cope meetup.

 

[The Ugly One]

I'll agree up until the Mars meme shit. But like Tesla "bet the company on the Model 3", he is saying the same thing about Space X. Work 24 hours a day, because we are heading to bankruptcy.
Creating reusable rockets is a good idea to reduce costs of payloads sending up to orbit. But this Mars shit? There will not be a Mars colony this century. If he was actually smart, try it here on Earth first. Build a biodome in the middle of the Sahara, the Arctic, or Antarctica. Baby steps. This is Spruce Goose level shit.

The Mars stuff is classic con man behavior. When a con man's promise fails to materialize, instead of explaining how he's going to make good on it, he distracts you with a new promise. Don't mind how I failed to deliver space tourism - we're going to have a global network of satellite internet!

$30K Model 3 not happening? Look, Roadster 2 and Semi! Oops, those are way behind? Look, Cybertruck and Cyberquad! Where's Cybertruck, anyway? Look, Personal Assistant!

Once you notice how often he does it, you won't be able to stop noticing. I haven't followed SpaceX as closely, but here is an example of a typical timeline of con man promises:

2011 - Man on Mars by 2021
2012 - Fully reusable Falcon by 2017
2017 - Moon orbit tourism by 2018
2019 - Mars colony by 2029
2021 - Moon landings by 2024

Yeah it’s $2000 to flip a few variables. But is that not the same thing as a software tune in a ICE vehicle? (Replace values in a table with slightly different values)

Software ICE tunes either put you out of regulatory compliance or safety factors, which is why they void warranties, and quite a few of them are sold with warnings that the tune makes your car illegal to drive in California, or the EU, or whatever. There are also tunes that make your car incapable of using 87 octane, which can be a death knell for sales. It's not a matter of features being disabled unless you pay.

 

[Thiletonomics]

In the next wave of Tesla cost-cutting, Tesla will no longer be including rear license plate frames on new Model 3s and Ys. Are they really pinching for pennies, with cuts likes this?

And Toyota's entry into EVs, the bZ4X, apparently has an issue on a handful of them, where the wheels can fall off. Toyota is being extremely paranoid with this issue, to the point that they're offering buybacks on the affected ones.