Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

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I'd love to turn a classic Thunderbird into a series hybrid, it would be a great car for that.
 
Mister Fister said:
Chinese EVs to be fair are disposable costing $10K or so. Tesla claims to be a luxury marquee.
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The byd models mentioned in the article (atto3, seal and dolphin) aren't at the cheap end of the range when it comes to chiense evs. At least $20k and up to $40k depending on specs.
Not sure why byd would try and crack the Korean market unless it is to try and get hyundai and kia to lose money by dropping their prices. Or because they have too much supply.
 
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Betonhaus said:
I wish we had bore $10K vehicles here, but small and cheap cars are banned by the California emission regulations.
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Federal vehicle regulations at this point partially exist in order to support us car manufacturers in addition to Cali retardation. Vehicles like the hylux and jimmy would steal high margin markets if they were permitted in the us. Its all a scam :|
 
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The Ugly One said:
Federal crash safety regulations have also contributed to regulating small, inexpensive cars out of existence.
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Not to mention lifestyle inflation and how society has normalized having astronomical amounts of debt. Why go into debt for a 25K economy car when you can get a loan for 50K for a now "mid range" vehicle, or the full 100K for a status symbol. For debt, it's go big and take out a loan for the absolute maximum amount you are approved for or go home.

College graduate in debt already? Forget that practical basic compact car your parents or grandparents bought. Those are for losers! You deserve a fully loaded mid or full size SUV and nothing else will do.
 
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Betonhaus said:
I wish we had bore $10K vehicles here, but small and cheap cars are banned by the California emission regulations.
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The Ugly One said:
Federal crash safety regulations have also contributed to regulating small, inexpensive cars out of existence.
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SangeAndYasha said:
Federal vehicle regulations at this point partially exist in order to support us car manufacturers in addition to Cali retardation. Vehicles like the hylux and jimmy would steal high margin markets if they were permitted in the us. Its all a scam :|
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Seriously, I would kill for kei cars to be a thing in the US.
 
The Ugly One said:
We're butting up against the laws of thermodynamics. You just can't get the kind of energy density out of batteries that you can out of chemical bonds.
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ok but there has to be some advancement beyond lithium batteries after 20 years, like a big reason EVs died 25 years ago was having to rely on fucking Duracell style batteries. the EV world was promising that Li-Ion was just the tutorial level and the next advancements were going to prove EVs over cars.
 
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Get the rope Macaulay! said:
ok but there has to be some advancement beyond lithium batteries after 20 years
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There really isn't. The only major change on the horizon might be solid state cells, which do away with the liquid electrolyte (which means cells are less prone to autocombustion and shorting by various means), but they don't do anything for the energy density issue. The fundamental problem is that the various lithium chemistries are pretty much the mature state of the technology. Any alternative chemistries either can't scale, or can't cross from lab demonstrations to mass manufacture. None of the potential chemistries offer more than small incremental increases in capacity, when what is needed is orders of magnitude increases.
 
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Get the rope Macaulay! said:
ok but there has to be some advancement beyond lithium batteries after 20 years, like a big reason EVs died 25 years ago was having to rely on fucking Duracell style batteries. the EV world was promising that Li-Ion was just the tutorial level and the next advancements were going to prove EVs over cars.
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well one thing is the polysulfide shuttle which is an issue with li-s type batteries which we know would make any sort of electric anything involving lithium last way longer meaning either smaller batteries of what we can do currently or larger batteries with more power density that could be used in electric vehicles. we kinda figured out how to deal with it a few years ago but there's still r&d going on for them so it'll still be a while before that goes anywhere
 
Get the rope Macaulay! said:
ok but there has to be some advancement beyond lithium batteries after 20 years, like a big reason EVs died 25 years ago was having to rely on fucking Duracell style batteries. the EV world was promising that Li-Ion was just the tutorial level and the next advancements were going to prove EVs over cars.
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Li-Ion is getting close to the limits of electrochemical storage. That's why new chemical battery storage methods offer only incremental advantages. Think about it this way, the more energy you pack into a small space, the more that, uh, shit happens.

Eventually, when you pack enough energy into a small space, atoms start shedding valence electrons, and chemical bonds start forming. Keep at it, and at some point, atoms start collapsing into each other, and you get nuclear reactions forming denser, heavier atoms.

Getting a 10x-100x improvement in energy density probably means chemical storage. But then we're back to evil, filthy combustion engines that make Gaia cry.
 
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Thiletonomics said:
A Chinese owner of a Neta EV said that her car's battery range dropped from 401 km (249 mi) to only 40 km (25 mi) in only 1.5 years of ownership. / Archive

That's even worse than Nissan Leaf battery degradation, and this happened a lot more quickly too.

Also, replacement battery packs for her car were not in stock, and Neta is currently in serious financial trouble to the point that it will likely go bankrupt soon.
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Just part and parcel of the modern world. In fact I remember it like yesterday when my Camry lost 2 cylinders and the gas tank shrunk to 1 gallon. So I tossed it and bought a new one. I'm so environmentally conscious.
 
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Kinda wondering what the "Limiting Features" on whistlin Diesels Cybertruck were. Is this the kind of modification/Switch that lets people ram into crowded areas?
 
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