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More like Genghis Troon amirite
Metallum are fucking retards and should not be given any attention. Obviously that's metal. it's shit, but still metal
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Metallum are fucking retards and should not be given any attention. Obviously that's metal. it's shit, but still metal
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Lol you get a gold medal for that
Yeah they said "Metal is not just playing heavy music while screaming". While I agree, Genghis Tron is not just doing that, that site confuses me sometimes.
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Weird, there's multiple non-metal bands listed there, including grindcore (which as I just looked up, cybergrind is an offshoot of grindcore).
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I think we even have an own dedicated thread for the Metal Archives. IIRC it's kind of dead and was more about the drama in the forum.
I just looked it up but they scratched the disclaimer that Motörhead are only in the Archives bc of their importance and not bc of them being metal - which they aren't bc "we are Motörhead and we play Rock 'n' Roll, fuck you."
They even have some RAC bands listed nowadays bc they incorporated metal into their sound which is kind of a stretch. Just bc you have a guitar solo in your songs your aren't metal. And the genre is literally named "Rock".
AC/DC still haven't an Archives pages.
The Archives have become kind of obsolete since Discogs. I rather look up things there now.
I just looked it up but they scratched the disclaimer that Motörhead are only in the Archives bc of their importance and not bc of them being metal - which they aren't bc "we are Motörhead and we play Rock 'n' Roll, fuck you."
They even have some RAC bands listed nowadays bc they incorporated metal into their sound which is kind of a stretch. Just bc you have a guitar solo in your songs your aren't metal. And the genre is literally named "Rock".
AC/DC still haven't an Archives pages.
The Archives have become kind of obsolete since Discogs. I rather look up things there now.
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guy showed me this album today, i don't usually get wowed by other peoples recommendations but I checked it out anyway since i noticed it's from 2002 and i always have a thing for older albums..
basically this is like a hybrid of symphonic black metal + brutal death metal.... think like Emperor meets Deeds of Flesh/Mortal Decay.
Definitely some relatively unusual shit
basically this is like a hybrid of symphonic black metal + brutal death metal.... think like Emperor meets Deeds of Flesh/Mortal Decay.
Definitely some relatively unusual shit
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grindcore is a metal genre if it has enough metal influence in it (rather than hardcore).... such as for random example, see: Insect Warfare versus Anal Cunt. IW clearly have more deathy elements to their music (it states this in the site rules, read em)
this age old- "WHAAAAA METAL ARCHIVES DOESNT HAVE [x band]" is a complaint older than the internet itself, and it's kind of a really dead horse at this point considering that there are far far better criticisms to make against Metallum. an example is how MA's site owner Morrigan is literally a fat, old, condescending feminist cunt who screams at you for literally anything and everything on the site if you even so slightly don't align with her moral compass, she will find anything to make you seem like a racist/sexist asshole despite that the site has literal bands named Female Nose Breaker or blatantly misogynistic bands like The Rancheous Brothers on it.... Don't ever dare say anything positive about these bands though or you'll likely get threatened to be banned along with have a shit ton of insults thrown your way by her. It honestly blows my fucking mind the owner of the biggest metal site on the web is a overly sensitive goblin who chimps out at everything like it's twitter
you're welcome to make an account and post on their "band appeals" forum if you think Ghengis are metal, im familiar with the band, i listened to them in high school.... but if i were to guess they probably wouldn't accept them.
despite all this: the one good thing i can say about metallum tho is the fact that lately they have actually been a lot more lenient these days with accepting bands than they used to reject.
all sorts of old metalcore/deathcore bands that they'd never accept back in the day (which were most
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I never would imagine grindcore being called "not metal". Heard it in a few other places and it blows my mind.
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That discussion is as old as the genre itself bc of it's roots in hardcore/crust punk but also in thrash metal. I don't know how it's today bc I stop carrying about such discussions long ago but back in the 90's and early 2000's you could find people on both sides -metal vs punk- arguing for both sides.
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AC/DC is by-the-book dad rock, so it makes sense why they wouldn't on the site
as for your other point: while I do have a good amount of cricisms against MA, and while I do think an alternative to MA would be pretty cool, Discogs just ain't it. I've seen many bands on MA that don't have a page on Discogs. there's also a lot of information on Metallum that isn't available on there either. Discogs is mostly just good if you're trying to buy some out-of-press 7" from 1996, or if you want to see a comprehensive discography. It's lacking on a lot of the data/info besides that.
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I'm not really arguing for AC/DC to be a must-be on MA or not.
It just feels kind of weird having Motörhead there but not AC/DC. Lemmy always said he considers Motörhead to be Rock'n'Roll and not any sort of Metal. I mean, that always felt also some sort of weird to me bc for Rock'n'Roll Motörhead always sounded to heavy to my ears. But who am I to argue with fucking Lemmy?
So if you argue for Motörhead being there bc of their influence you also might have AC/DC bc of their influence. Like how many kids and teens started listening to AC/DC first and driftet into more heavier and extreme sounds from there? How many Metalheads were inspired to grab a guitar bc of AC/DC? Well, I don't know bc I never really listened to AC/DC.
It's the "it's not metal music but it was important for metal music" argument that seems kind of, idk, weird. Or not consistent. Where do you draw the line for being-an-important-influence? But's that just a minor detail.
My critisism would focus on to mayor points:
1) The retarded wokeness in the MA forum section. As you said: Dare you say something that might offend someone and you get banned. That's ridiculous and retarded.
2) That's my other point (discogs > MA). Although I only use both sides for informations about records itself nowadays. For me Discogs feels more handy to look for this information nowadays. Just type in "Manowar album title xy", press enter, boom, all 38725624 versions there - with pictures! Super neat. But this might be something completely subjective or autistic on my side lol
Point 1 outweighs point 2 clearly and point 1 may also heavinly influence my opinion on this topic bc I once was a MA forum user. I liked the kind of nerdy discussions about records and shit. But the great purges of everyone who isn't woke enough pushed me away from the forum. Just let me fucking discuss Panzerhitler 88 from Mongolia, for fuck's sake.
And bc I use Discogs for lots of other non-metal bands to look up that I can't look up on MA so that's very likely another major contributor on why I don't really use MA anymore. Only if I can't find something metal related on Discogs, then I go to MA.
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Released 30 years ago today.
Nuclear Poisoning
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Does anyone else enjoy the stuff coming out of Kolkata (India)? There's these noise/war metal bands that have been putting out various material. I've only gotten into a few albums so far, some of it I really like.
Tetragrammacide are probably the most well known at this point. The production of their earlier albums is kind of in the vein of Goatpenis, but they changed it for the more recent stuff so that much more can be heard of what's going on, without losing any of the chaotic feeling. They also sprinkle samples of field recordings here and there. The songs kind of lack structure, I guess, it's more like stream of consciousness, which I usually find lame, but for me it works here. IMHO they are more than just the n-teenth Revenge clone, there's something more visceral going on.
(the actual track starts at 1:51)
Tetragrammacide - The Post-Qayamatic Reciter Of Reversed Shahada
Aparthiva Raktadhara are much cleaner and more technical, kind of remind me of Angelcorpse a bit, but again I find the structure is kind of weird, like it's more a collage of short sections than whole songs, but maybe they're also going for a stream of consciousness thing, I dunno. In this track I especially like the final minute or so (starting from 5:07).
Aparthiva Raktadhara - Gnostic Arousal Of Shava Lingam
Tetragrammacide are probably the most well known at this point. The production of their earlier albums is kind of in the vein of Goatpenis, but they changed it for the more recent stuff so that much more can be heard of what's going on, without losing any of the chaotic feeling. They also sprinkle samples of field recordings here and there. The songs kind of lack structure, I guess, it's more like stream of consciousness, which I usually find lame, but for me it works here. IMHO they are more than just the n-teenth Revenge clone, there's something more visceral going on.
(the actual track starts at 1:51)
Aparthiva Raktadhara are much cleaner and more technical, kind of remind me of Angelcorpse a bit, but again I find the structure is kind of weird, like it's more a collage of short sections than whole songs, but maybe they're also going for a stream of consciousness thing, I dunno. In this track I especially like the final minute or so (starting from 5:07).
MA is much better than Discogs when I want an overview of current and former band members and what other bands they also are / have been in. Although it's limited to metal (whatever that means), obviously.
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Love the Kolkata circle and their stuff.
Just ordered a nice Tetragammacide backpatch a few days ago for vest dedicated to these bands only.
Available at Iron Bonehead Productions für 15€.
True.
Nuclear Poisoning
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Lol I've been visiting the IB webpage several times a day these past weeks, waiting for them to put up the Primal Incinerators of Moral Matrix re-press.
Their merch is too edgy for me, though. Like, I want to be able to understand their stuff on a more serious level before I attract attention to myself like that. Have you read any interview with any of their members? You can't tell me with a straight face you understand even a fraction of what they're talking about. What little I can make out is cool as hell, though, light-years above the boring anti-christian themes.
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No but mostly bc I don't read really any interviews/zines anymore. Still buying a lot of them whenever I can grab one here or there. But I know Patrick from IBP and had a few talks with him about them and related bands.
Anti-christian motives play a role as anti-judaism but as I understand it more on a broader note. Like anti-monotheism in general. They also come from a lot of occult stuff but I honestly don't know enough about these things to decode all of their symbolism. So because of me not knowing enough it's hard to say how much these guys are pure atheists and only use occult symbolism as a means of expressing their opposition against the three big monothestic religions from the south (Judaism/Christianity/Islam) or religion in general or how serious they are about being somehow occultists and thus being against the big three. Like you can find swastikas on their merch. These swastiskas aren't their bc these guys are Nazis and Hitler worshipers. They are there bc of some "spiritual" or occult meaning. But why exactly I don't know.
Another example: I can assure people that Gaahl from Gorgoroth actually believes in occult stuff and that this stuff has a deeper meaning for him and in his life. Gaahl is serious about this stuff.
Also the Kolkata bands have to be seen in their Indian context and how their lifes are affected by living in India. The religion(s) there, the politics, the culture, the historym the really ancient one, the one during colonisation and the present one. I know that all these things also play a role in Tetragrammacide but more on a abstract level and also, again, on a spiritual one. But in detail? I can't tell.
I have been in India a few times bc of work but I won't dare to say I really know how it is to live there on a daily basis. I'm from Western Europe and have spent most of my life in Germany and Austria. I have also lived in Switzerland. I have ties to the Scandinavian countries bc of my family. It's like day and night to compare Western and Northern Europa to India. India is a shithole but also a beautiful country with breath taking landscapes. But striving through European woods feels completely different to go into Indian jungle. It's already a difference to strive through the woods in Eastern Germany and to strive through the ones in Norway.
Also as a white European you get treated very differently in India like you would be treated as a regular Indian.
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It's mainly the swastikas that put me off getting their merch, but not only that. Obviously I'm well aware that their use of it has nothing to do with ze Germans, but you still have to have a really good reason to be sporting such a controversial symbol in public in the Western world, such as being a devout hinduist or buddhist. Just wanting to show support of an independent band isn't enough, or at least to me it's not worth the constant hassle and paranoia of inevitably having to deal with people wanting to know what the hell you're doing dressed like that.
But swastikas aside, I just don't like the idea of wearing elaborate symbology that I don't fully understand. I despise cultural malappropriation and fetishisation of the foreign/exotic in general, and to me this doesn't fall too far from that. I would feel like those people who wear Nirvana (speaking of malappropriated hindu concepts) or Ramones not even knowing they're bands, let alone being able to name three songs by them. I make fun of all those hippies who get into yoga and mashanatantric bla bla shit because I know they're only getting into it superficially, so I don't want to become an edgier/darker version of those kind of people because "muh tetragrammaton".
What's mostly intriguing to me about the Kolkata scene is that they originate from a place where human life has less value than in Europe. I've never been to India and I don't know how poor and polluted Kolkata is, but I do know that India has a completely different approach to death than we have in the West. In such over-populated places, death seems more normalized than here, plus you have all those sects like the Aghori doing all kinds of weird rituals with the dead. All this still goes on now, it's not from the past, so to have these nutjobs putting out such intense music in such a context is pretty trve kvlt. And like many punk/metal bands from South-East Asia, their art and what they're representing can put them in real-life trouble if they're not careful. Then again, sporting a swastika will get you in deep shit over here too lol.
But maybe I'm being swindled and it's all the usual marketing scam. I still really dig the music itself, though, and that's what matters after all.
EDIT - I wonder if the guy from IBP had to get some special clearance for the Tetragrammacide merch (since swastikas are formally illegal in Germany) or is he just hoping nobody will notice them?
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There is no such thing as special clearance. Showing a swastika here in public is a criminal offence except it's like in a museum and some historic stuff. Usually he blends them out on the pictures for his shop and that's actually enough.
Fun fact about IBP: Years ago, at the same time when I lived in Berlin, he opened a little store there, together with Unhold from W.T.C. Productions. When they opened there was a little opening party but it only took some days until the windows got smashed. The windows got smashed a few times and lefties organized a demo against it and gave flyers away informing people about the evil Nazi store in their neighbourhood. It was a complete shitshow. They even sent test-buyers in the shop who looked through the records in the hopes to find NSBM and shit. But of course they didn't sell any Absurd stuff or so. Store got closed after a few month bc it simple was too expensive to buy new windows every few days.
I once posted in another thread here about one of my experiences in India. Some thread about sketchy places. One of the first things I saw in India was a corpse lying around on the sidewalk and noone gave a shit.
And some posters for some sort of Green party spotting literally the NSDAP swastikas lol
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It is quite shocking how countries in different parts of the world have little regard for human life. For decades countries like India or even China have experienced periods of being colonized and in general killed, so it's engrained in everyone's mind and they think it's normal. There's still generations of people who have known nothing in their life but war and death.
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Something old, a classic that doesn't get a lot of recognition, whole thing is good, but "in perpetual motion" is a top pick:
Something new, really a "collective whole" album, but "The silent passing" has all the elements in one song, reminds me a bit of the OG Opeth before they turned into a 70's euro prog band.
Something new, really a "collective whole" album, but "The silent passing" has all the elements in one song, reminds me a bit of the OG Opeth before they turned into a 70's euro prog band.
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cant get enough of this band, absolutely bludgeoning BDM-influenced Russian grindcore with the sickest snare sound ever:
big fan of their band name too
big fan of their band name too