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Yup, melodeath really went down the shitter. Even when the Gothenburg scene "wimped out" (In Flames, DT, etc) and started losing all the thorny tonality and bizarre polyphony of AtG's first album, it was still a little more than just power metal with harsh vocals.

It's not cool to say, but The Jester Race is definitely a key album of the 90s
 
ISDwarnedus said:
Yup, melodeath really went down the shitter. Even when the Gothenburg scene "wimped out" (In Flames, DT, etc) and started losing all the thorny tonality and bizarre polyphony of AtG's first album, it was still a little more than just power metal with harsh vocals.

It's not cool to say, but The Jester Race is definitely a key album of the 90s
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Only AtG on The Red in the Sky... and With Fear... together with Dark Tranquillity on Skydancer had that sound out of the big Gothenburg groups. In Flames was and still probably is the biggest of the three and from day 1 they said that they wanted to make music which involved death metal vocals over Iron Maidenesque riffs and it worked very well for the first two albums and they maintained it for a while, until they became, as @Cistern Rumbler put it with pinpoint precision
Cistern Rumbler said:
mallcore with harsh vocals
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Which is what everyone who wanted to make shitty mellow-deaf started to emulate, rather than their first few albums.
 
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yoshitsune said:
In Flames was and still probably is the biggest of the three and from day 1 they said that they wanted to make music which involved death metal vocals over Iron Maidenesque riffs and it worked very well for the first two albums and they maintained it for a while, until they became, as @Cistern Rumbler put it with pinpoint precision

Which is what everyone who wanted to make shitty mellow-deaf started to emulate, rather than their first few albums.
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Modern In-flames covers/re-records old good in-flames for an easy payday....audio cancer proceeds



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yoshitsune said:
Only AtG on The Red in the Sky... and With Fear... together with Dark Tranquillity on Skydancer had that sound out of the big Gothenburg groups. In Flames was and still probably is the biggest of the three and from day 1 they said that they wanted to make music which involved death metal vocals over Iron Maidenesque riffs and it worked very well for the first two albums and they maintained it for a while, until they became, as @Cistern Rumbler put it with pinpoint precision

Which is what everyone who wanted to make shitty mellow-deaf started to emulate, rather than their first few albums.
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I'll go as far to say that I like everything up to Colony. It doesn't really sound much like traditional Swedish death metal at all, but it works well as "Iron Maiden with screaming". Power metal is as legitimate as any other kind and adding harsh vocals is just a twist on that. 1990s melodeath was fine, the issue was when In Flames decided to start making awful metalcore in the 2000s, and other bands followed that since they're the biggest band in the genre.

I get the impression that a lot of people lump all melodeath in with present day In Flames as borderline mallcore, which it really isn't even if it's very different from regular death metal. Even if it's basically power metal, power metal is fine.
 
Pointless Pedant said:
I'll go as far to say that I like everything up to Colony. It doesn't really sound much like traditional Swedish death metal at all, but it works well as "Iron Maiden with screaming". Power metal is as legitimate as any other kind and adding harsh vocals is just a twist on that. 1990s melodeath was fine, the issue was when In Flames decided to start making awful metalcore in the 2000s, and other bands followed that since they're the biggest band in the genre.

I get the impression that a lot of people lump all melodeath in with present day In Flames as borderline mallcore, which it really isn't even if it's very different from regular death metal. Even if it's basically power metal, power metal is fine.
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Yup, Reroute to Remain was the album that inspired boring mellow-deaf of the metalcore type that's plaguing the genre to this day. I found In Flames' output from Whoracle to Clayman to be weaker than Jester Race, but at least it's still Maidenesque riffs with extreme vocals that they're known for and not the mallcore embarrassment they started to shit out on the regular after.

Speaking of, what's the deal with Dark Tranquillity? I really liked The Gallery but whenever I tried listening to their later output I either fell asleep or lost interest after the first two tracks. I heard that they went on a more proggish direction but all that translates to me is that they went to a boring wanker direction.

To conclude, this damn thread needs more power metal.
 
Ita Mori said:
They sound like a gay Scar Symmetry trying to be Shadows Fall. :stress:
Way to ruin a song.
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ikr its awful,IIRC for the 're-release' its the OG 10 tracks plus this shitpile clayman 're-imagining' and one of Square Nothing too

And afaik they pretty much spent the last decade ignoring any pre- RTTR song live apart from only for the weak.Even mettalica never shunned their gud matrial so much chasing the dollar in thier total faggotry phase in the late 90's-2010
 
Meriasek said:
Why the fuck would In Flames re-record Clayman? It's not like its sound isn't one of the most sought-after studio sounds that sounds absolutely perfect the way it did, so what the fuck?
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For a quick buck requiring very low effort, though I don't know who the target audience for rerecorded tracks is in general because you can just go back and listen to the original whenever you want. Only time I understand is if the original album or track had bedroom black metal-tier production that poorly represents what they were going for but as you pointed out that can't be further from the truth for Clayman.
 
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