The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

artilleryfroth said:
The woman gets to decide whether to continue the pregnancy because it is her body and life that are on the line. Pregnancy and childbirth are dangerous and debilitating.

However I think the man should also have an “out” where if he doesn’t want a child, and discovers he has impregnated someone, he can complete a legal form and have no responsibility towards the eventual child in future ever. If the woman doesn’t contact him during the pregnancy so that he can get this organised, he retains the right to do so within a reasonable time (maybe a month) after she claims money from him.
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While I disagree with allowing abortion or allowing fathers to skimp out on child support, this does bring up a very good point. As the system is currently setup, a mother can murder her child in the womb and walk away, whether the father wants her to do so or not, because he has no say. But the moment the child is born, the father is expected to be on the hook for child support whether he wants the child or not, and he has to pay it until the child is 18. Even if the child is a child by rape, as in, the mother raping him. Even if father is underage at the time while the mother is over the age of consent, making it statutory rape. And this can happen to a man who is not actually the child's birth father. That shows how fucked up our system really is. All in all, as long as abortion is legal, I would have no problem passing laws allowing fathers to absolve themselves of the responsibility to pay child support or any other legal responsibility to the child. But at the caveat that these laws would immediately cease to be enforced upon Roe v. Wade's repeal. It be interesting to see how long support for Roe v. Wade holds up in such a situation.
Android raptor said:
Penis in vagina sex is my favorite addiction even though I've powerleveled all over this thread about being gay and having like no sex drive?
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And yet you are the one person in this thread who has constantly expressed an outright irrational fear of getting pregnant, despite being the one person in the thread who is the least likely to face this issue.
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Women generally don't like it when you want to take away their reproductive rights. You might be able to get laid if you stop acting like a right-wing incel
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Reality Check: There are plenty of women who are pro-life, and some of the strongest pro-life advocates are female, including women who have had abortions in the past.
Zero Day Defense said:
Specifically, it was to "complete" it, so that it could actually be eternally salvific, rather than to abolish it. Consequently, according to Paul Christians are meant to understand Mosaic Law as a schoolteacher that at least got them to the halfway mark-- depending on the domain of a particular commandment, it has moral import that still clarifies Christian living.
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What's more, many of the laws found in the Old Testament were carried over and reiterated as sins in the New Testament, and Jesus actually made thing more strict than the OT. For instance, under the Old Covenant, you only committed adultery when you committed the act, but Jesus said that any man who even looks upon a woman with lust has already committed adultery within his heart. Similarly, a man who hates his brother is considered the equivalent of murder.
Muh Vagina said:
If you knew basic science, you would be pro-choice.
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I know basic science; its why I'm pro-life. And not a single pro-choice person in this thread has managed to make a cogent scientific argument for abortion. Period.
 
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Uncle Warren said:
Anybody who tries to quote scripture to prove a point is a braindead retard.
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Not if the subject is scripture. As you might recall it started with someone claiming there was no scripture basis for being opposed to abortion.

How would someone prove that claim wrong without referring to scripture?
 
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Android raptor said:
I know you'll try to be anal and be all "but I didn't literally say birth control is evil!" or whatever, but it doesnt matter. You did, in fact, go on about how horrible birth control and single mothers supposedly are and shit.
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You don't know how to read.

That's the bottom line-- actually, no.

You know how to read, you're just profoundly dishonest.

You actively refuse to distinguish between "unfortunate circumstance" and "evil", even if the other party is actively doing so. Saying that children of single mothers are disadvantaged is not saying that single mothers are evil, it's saying that single mothers are not properly equipped on average to raise a child well. This isn't a matter of "literally" saying it, either, because I explained why single mother households are bad, and my focus was on the short staff in the parental department. There is no way in hell you're going to convince me that having only one parent to not only raise and nurture the child, but also gather resources for said child isn't massively taxing on the mother's body and psyche. There's no way you're going to tell me that a woman knows how to raise a son to be a man, when they're not themselves men. And fundamentally, you're not going to convince me that a child doesn't deserve the presence and loving attention of both the people who brought him into this world.

You know what the worst of this is? You quote me saying that leaving a child to single motherhood is abhorrent... because you don't understand that I'm talking about it being abhorrent because it involves the abdication of paternal responsibility, leaves the mother in dire straits, and disadvantages the mother and child.

Blow it out your ass, you lying bint. If you're not invested in the conversation, then fuck off, but stop wasting everyone's time with your active deception.

birth control doesn't even have a moral alignment, or even any feelings... you should be talking about whether it causes all the stuff he said it causes instead of deifying or demonizing the damn thing. it's like saying hammers are evil because they could be used as a murder implement. damn...
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
But why would you want to date a woman who doesn't put out?
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Because I want something else from the relationship other than sex? Because I want a woman who doesn't put out for the first man who comes along? Because I want a woman who respects herself enough to not lower herself to a more base standard just to keep a man? There's more to relationships than sex my friend.
 
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Because I want something else from the relationship other than sex? Because I want a woman who doesn't put out for the first man who comes along? Because I want a woman who respects herself enough to not lower herself to a more base standard just to keep a man? There's more to relationships than sex my friend.
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Women enjoy sex, too. There's nothing wrong with sex between two consenting adults.
 
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Because I want something else from the relationship other than sex? Because I want a woman who doesn't put out for the first man who comes along? Because I want a woman who respects herself enough to not lower herself to a more base standard just to keep a man? There's more to relationships than sex my friend.
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Can't believe people are still giving genuine responses to low effort shit like "why would you want to date a woman who doesn't put out".

HHH is like the Mr Magoo of trolling.
 
Left Ass Cheek said:
Can't believe people are still giving genuine responses to low effort shit like "why would you want to date a woman who doesn't put out".

HHH is like the Mr Magoo of trolling.
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Normally I wouldn't give an easy bit for someone who just signed up a month ago but I figure this one would be easy to figure out.

HHH is sincere about what he's posting.
 
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Uncle Warren said:
Normally I wouldn't give an easy bit for someone who just signed up a month ago but I figure this one would be easy to figure out.

HHH is sincere about what he's posting.
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Yes. Anyone can sincerely believe something and bait excitable retards with opposing beliefs into getting worked up over it.
 
Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
But why would you want to date a woman who doesn't put out?
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Plenty of prolife women put out and get abortions on the down-low.

From what I've seen prolife women are almost always insane fundies, and a good chunk of them are old enough to no longer have to worry about pregnancy. They're also great fodder for shit to post in Tard Baby.
 
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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
Women enjoy sex, too. There's nothing wrong with sex between two consenting adults.
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Never implied or stated I was against either one of those things. People in this thread seem to have a problem with reading more into posts than what is being said.

Left Ass Cheek said:
Can't believe people are still giving genuine responses to low effort shit like "why would you want to date a woman who doesn't put out".

HHH is like the Mr Magoo of trolling.
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Thing is, I don't think he's actually trolling. And if he is, its rather low effort. I mean this is a thread where people have outright suggesting giving unwanted babies to soup kitchens to add to their dishes. He is far from egregious here.

Android raptor said:
Plenty of prolife women put out and get abortions on the down-low.

From what I've seen prolife women are almost always insane fundies, and a good chunk of them are old enough to no longer have to worry about pregnancy. They're also great fodder for shit to post in Tard Baby.
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And now you go on making gross generalizations. How many logical fallacies do you plan on making in this thread.
 
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
And now you go on making gross generalizations. How many logical fallacies do you plan on making in this thread.
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Is it really a generalization when it's what I've personally witnessed? Yeah, almost all prolife women I've seen are insane fundies. A good chunk of them are elderly. And I'm sure a large percentage of them have some serious skeletons in their closets because that's usually the case with fundies.

Besides, is it any worse than the generalization that the only women who get abortions are thots having constant unprotected sex and cheating on their boyfriends/husbands?
Nom Carver said:
Maybe because I'd prefer to live a fulfilling life (unlike you) with someone I love, over a glorified fleshlight.
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Rosy palms and her 5 daughters must be very flattered you feel that way about them.
 
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Android raptor said:
Rosy palms and her 5 daughters must be very flattered you feel that way about them.
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This is an abortion debate, when did it get into your autistic skull that I have a problem with having children? Better yet, when did it get into your head that I don't like sex? I don't think it should be treated like a necessity, or should be a priority in a relationship (because it shouldn't), but there's nothing wrong with it. My problem is when people start to let it take over and destroy their lives, and when they start bringing the killing of unborn children in so they can perpetuate their degenerative addiction. Especially when those same people turn around and ask "why am I so unhappy?" when their entire life is a bunch of material bullshit that does nothing to fulfill them in the end.
 
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