The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

I don't have a problem with people getting abortions. At the end of the day it's ultimately a question about personal belief and I accept that not all people share my sets of belief.

But I do have a problem with people that misrepresent what abortion actually is. When people find out that I'm not a fan of abortion they always bring up the most extreme cases. Cases that make up less than 1% out of all abortions. But they're still supporting abortion in the 99% other "pointless" cases, they're just hiding them behind pregnant 13 year olds and rape victims. If you're going to support abortion that's fine, but at least be honest with what you support.
 
But I do have a problem with people that misrepresent what abortion actually is. When people find out that I'm not a fan of abortion they always bring up the most extreme cases. Cases that make up less than 1% out of all abortions. But they're still supporting abortion in the 99% other "pointless" cases, they're just hiding them behind pregnant 13 year olds and rape victims. If you're going to support abortion that's fine, but at least be honest with what you support.

Turns out when you're trying to justify killing babies it's hard to keep your story straight.
 
Not even the Catholic Church asks women to die from ectopic pregnancies.
Orthodox does. I've seen many pro-life orthodox activists calling it a respectful mother's duty.

I've also seen religious pro-life activists collecting money, because they brainwashed another mother, that was ready to have an abortion and said mother has, like, four kids already with jobless near-to-disability husband an their only food consisting of cheap macaroni without any meat, vegetables or fruits. This is a real case among many others.
Those cunts are leaving posters, brochures and papers of muh little pink feet and beating hearts in gynecology wings of clinics. Also, before having an abortion woman have to wait, like, for two weeks or more and obligated to visit pro-life psychologist and priest. In result we have: killed newborns, left in dumpsters, forests, streets, etc., doomed mothers with no ways to support themselves and their kid, dead mothers with newborns in child shelters or dead mothers with dead newborns, mentally handicapped women giving birth to mentally handicapped kid from her mentally handicapped partner. Also? Doomed traumatized mothers and abused kids. And don't get me started on abusive households, where not wanted kids are raped, mentally and physically abused, where many of them have alcohol addiction since age 5 (because giving your screaming baby alcohol shut ups it for another few hours). Or families with many kids (like 7 or more) living in a one room or two room flat with parents fucking in the same room, while kids are "sleeping", because being poor and having big family is a good way to get free gibs. Thanks to fucking braindead government and pro-life activists.
Why those bitches are doing it? Because it's lucrative as fuck. Muh faith? Oh fuck off. You can literally throw a pack of cheapest diapers and macaroni at mother you've been brainwashing for weeks, promising that you'll help her no matter what, because God of whatever, and then leave her with a baby, because it's born and now nobody fucking cares. And also religious morons won't notice, that some part of their donations are stolen by said activists.

Never trust a pro-lifer. Especially the religious kind.

Also, women in this thread were telling about side effects of giving birth, but they said the only smallest of them, like ripping sking on vagina. I'll add more: giving birth may leave mother blind, disabled (usually without working legs), birth also works as trigger for oncology (and our dearest pro-life activists will push her to bear the kid to term instead of abortion and moving to therapy while problem's just found), also it can work as a trigger for heavy migraines and many other funny little health problems.

Aaand kid foster care. There's a world outside of US and it's not all ponies and rainbows. A woman that decided to bear kid to term and leave it in shelter is: obligated to pay child support until kid is 18 (idk about the father, probably our gov will let him enjoy the life, because apparently woman is a self-reproduce species), kid will have a part of her flat and can just live there once they're 18, woman's job and all members of her family will be notified of said woman leaving the kid. For family it's made in case anybody would take the kid in, but usually it backfires the worst way possible. There's also many articles on foster families using kids as: sex-objects, slaves to work on their fields, objects for both mental and physical mutilation, while gov were giving those monsters money for taking care of the child (or kids, because this is paid way better).

TL; DR: if you can't take the unwanted embryo and bear it to terms in your own body you should and must fuck off an watch your of fucking family.
 
Why those bitches are doing it? Because it's lucrative as fuck.
You've got pages of people arguing for abortion for fiscal reasons, but this is the point that you take issue with? Seems odd.

giving birth may leave mother blind, disabled
Getting out of bed in the morning may leave you with a broken leg.
 
You've got pages of people arguing for abortion for fiscal reasons, but this is the point that you take issue with? Seems odd.
Without them less women would be pressured into bearing child to term. Pro-life activists well sponsored by gov and clueless religious donators, so their pressure is getting straight psychotic (like bearing to term stillborns, ectopic pregnancies, etc). There's no emapthy in this business.
Also: their tactics produces more absolutely poor families with many kids and no jobs. Usually those kids are getting pregnant very early and repeat their parents way of living: no jobs, no education, gib me money.

Getting out of bed in the morning may leave you with a broken leg.
Didn't know everyone has a bed inside of them, pushing on internal organs, spinal nerves included. Well, the more you know.
 
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What percentage of women do you believe to go blind from pregnancy? What chances are you talking about?
Such statistics doesn't exists. The main focus of attention is mother not dying and mother not losing kid, so it's mainly blood/blood pressure problem and other nasty stuff, blindness and invalidization is swiped under a rug and called "other". But pregnant women losing teeth is a way more common problem. Pricey too.

Where is this happening?
Slavlands. For example, fund called Russkaya bereza not only feeds poor families, but also feeds prisoners, many of them are murderers, pedophiles and other scum of the Earth. You can read their letters where they show the number of their criminal article, sobby story and list of stuff they need. Because a pedo with multiple offences deserves more comfort than a cornered pregnant woman.
 
I got it and showed you that getting damage from giving birth has higher chances than you think. It's not a walk in the park, you know.
Such statistics doesn't exists. The main focus of attention is mother not dying and mother not losing kid, so it's mainly blood/blood pressure problem and other nasty stuff, blindness and invalidization is swiped under a rug and called "other". But pregnant women losing teeth is a way more common problem. Pricey too.

Sooooo you have no idea how common it is and you think you're telling me it's "higher chance than I think". You don't even have an idea of how common it is. You probably have more of a chance to be struck by lightning than go blind by giving birth. The losing teeth is fairly rare too, the stats that I find is that women who are mothers lose on average 5 teeth in a period of their life where non-mothers lose 4.
 
Sooooo you have no idea how common it is and you think you're telling me it's "higher chance than I think". You don't even have an idea of how common it is.
Because it's so easy to wave away if you're not in the danger. Second and third grade myopia can and will cause blindness if surgeons would wave it away as you do. The only way to somehow escape it is caesarean section which is it's own can of worms. If you'd like to lose your health, body resources, teeth and then get an abdominal surgery with following rehabilitation just because some randos decided to strip you of life saving rights then be my guest.

The losing teeth is fairly rare too, the stats that I find is that women who are mothers lose on average 5 teeth in a period of their life where non-mothers lose 4.
No, it's not. Pregnancy related health issues causes growth of teeth destroying problems and mother can't get help whenever she wants, so some problems can move to the next stage. And all of this can also dmage the embryo as well.
Pregnancy diabetes won't help either and may speed everything up. I've found stomatology related article. You can take it with a grain of salt, of course. And on the salt part: I know a few women that lost more than one tooth while being pregnant be it high level of stress, medium to low living conditions, low qulity of dental help. But the time I was a kid, the country had so many problem everyone were on the suvival mode.

I'd be interested to see the statistics you've found, since I'm too linguistically clumsy to find US related info and my homecountry prefers to cover the ugly parts.
 
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Because it's so easy to wave away if you're not in the danger. Second and third grade myopia can and will cause blindness if surgeons would wave it away as you do. The only way to somehow escape it is caesarean section which is it's own can of worms. If you'd like to lose your health, body resources, teeth and then get an abdominal surgery with following rehabilitation just because some randos decided to strip you of life saving rights then be my guest.


No, it's not. Pregnancy related health issues causes growth of teeth destroying problems and mother can't get help whenever she wants, so some problems can move to the next stage. And all of this can also dmage the embryo as well.
Pregnancy diabetes won't help either and may speed everything up. I've found stomatology related article. You can take it with a grain of salt, of course. And on the salt part: I know a few women that lost more than one tooth while being pregnant be it high level of stress, medium to low living conditions, low qulity of dental help. But the time I was a kid, the country had so many problem everyone were on the suvival mode.

I'd be interested to see the statistics you've found, since I'm too linguistically clumsy to find US related info and my homecountry prefers to cover the ugly parts.
So don't be fat. Got it.
 
Because it's so easy to wave away if you're not in the danger. Second and third grade myopia can and will cause blindness if surgeons would wave it away as you do. The only way to somehow escape it is caesarean section which is it's own can of worms. If you'd like to lose your health, body resources, teeth and then get an abdominal surgery with following rehabilitation just because some randos decided to strip you of life saving rights then be my guest.
As you are waving away the dangers of breaking your leg when you get out of bed.... or being struck by lightning.... that happens to people too, you know.

Pregnancy related health issues causes growth of teeth destroying problems and mother can't get help whenever she wants, so some problems can move to the next stage. And all of this can also dmage the embryo as well.
You know what also can damage the embryo? Abortion.
 
One of the things that defines an infant is already being out of the womb, but that doesn't stop you from screaming about "infanticide" when women have abortions, does it?
Let me remind you that pro-abortionists, such as Ralph Northam, have advocated for literal infanticide.
 
Do you consider a sapling to be a tree?
I thought you were all about dictionary definitions.

Each one defines a sapling as a tree.


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Pregnancy diabetes won't help either and may speed everything up. I've found stomatology related article. You can take it with a grain of salt, of course. And on the salt part: I know a few women that lost more than one tooth while being pregnant be it high level of stress, medium to low living conditions, low qulity of dental help.
I first replied where I had the most criticism, because I did think (and do) that you are exaggerating. It's not that I don't think pregnancy has a huge influence on a woman's body, it's just that I think you were exaggerating the chances of it, considering I've never known any pregnant woman to go blind after giving birth and it's not a small sample either.

But the tooth thing in particular seems a little more common (and easier to escape notice, because do we really know each time someone loses a tooth?)

I think the article you shared sounds pretty credible, though I haven't read the studies yet, I'm inclined to believe it.

On the whole, I'd easily give a kidney for my wife or a tooth for my child, so I'm not convinced of it being a necessity to abort, but I have learned something new in this thread, thank you.
 
Let me remind you that pro-abortionists, such as Ralph Northam, have advocated for literal infanticide.
He supports third trimester abortion if the fetus is no longer viable, you dumb shit. In those cases, labor is induced so that the baby can pass as peacefully as possible.
 
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