The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

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yeah because every pregnant rape victim just loves going through the whole ordeal.
wait was she pregnant before or after the rape? because if you're already pregnant and get raped, at least they can't get you pregnant again. but if you're raping a pregnant woman, does that count as raping a child?

these are important questions that need to be answered.
 
I'm starting to understand why America has such a bizarre relationship with abortion... Nobody needs one at 24 Weeks. A child shouldn't have to suffer because his mother is a lazy tramp.
funny how you mention 24 week abortions and not earlier ones.

wait was she pregnant before or after the rape? because if you're already pregnant and get raped, at least they can't get you pregnant again. but if you're raping a pregnant woman, does that count as raping a child?

these are important questions that need to be answered.
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I'm starting to understand why America has such a bizarre relationship with abortion... Nobody needs one at 24 Weeks. A child shouldn't have to suffer because his mother is a lazy tramp.
there are scenarios where a woman would have a medical reason for aborting a 24 week old fetus, so that's certainly a 'need'.

should a mother have to suffer carrying and then giving birth to an unwanted child who will then most likely live a difficult life due to not being wanted? should a mother then have to suffer all the side effects post-pregnancy? there's an awful lot of concern for a fetus that isn't sentient than for the woman that carries it.
 

interesting. it would seem that bill wanted to "end welfare as we know it" which is a weird way to phrase it, but that's definitely a thing. however, it obviously wasn't a one-sided thing, here, as it was the republicans who passed two bills to reform welfare, both of which were vetoed by clinton. it was after negotiations was it eventually passed and signed into law by bill. so no, you're not wrong, but there is, like everything else, a bit more nuance.

There is no nuance. Bill and Hillary Clinton sold out families, as did the senators who voted for cloture. Just like there is no nuance about NAFTA or most favored trading with China. They gutted labor then castigated working class whites who remembered how they'd been betrayed. No on trusted HRC to not sign the TPP. Believe it or not, a lot of thought and nuance went in to some people's hatred of HRC.

but men do have the right to bodily autonomy, correct? should women not be afforded these same rights?

I think your speaking to fairness, not rights. Men have the same rights regarding pregnancy and their body as women do. As far as being a parent rather than giving birth, we give men almost no say in the US, even in the case of rape.
 
there are scenarios where a woman would have a medical reason for aborting a 24 week old fetus, so that's certainly a 'need'.

should a mother have to suffer carrying and then giving birth to an unwanted child who will then most likely live a difficult life due to not being wanted? should a mother then have to suffer all the side effects post-pregnancy? there's an awful lot of concern for a fetus that isn't sentient than for the woman that carries it.
Cry me a River, I say this to AIDSFAGS all of time... you can just not let a man jizz in you.

funny how you mention 24 week abortions and not earlier ones.
The European standard is 10 weeks, I voted in support of this and woman who are not bottom feeding sluts seem pretty ok with it.
 
wait was she pregnant before or after the rape? because if you're already pregnant and get raped, at least they can't get you pregnant again. but if you're raping a pregnant woman, does that count as raping a child?

these are important questions that need to be answered.
The question I want answered is why women like talking about rape so much. With the feminists its always rape this and rape that. Watch, now that Roe v Wade got overturned it'll be nothing but talk about rape for weeks.

I'm sick of these expectations. You know, some men are sensitive, maybe they don't want to be pressured into raping. Maybe they want to be a little gentler, but no, the feminists just want to get raped all the time, possibly by men who remind them a little bit of their fathers. Modern women and their unrealistic expectations, smh.
 
Well, congrats theocrats, you now have given women less right to bodily autonomy than a corpse, just like your backwards religion wants

Cope.

there are scenarios where a woman would have a medical reason for aborting a 24 week old fetus, so that's certainly a 'need'.

should a mother have to suffer carrying and then giving birth to an unwanted child who will then most likely live a difficult life due to not being wanted? should a mother then have to suffer all the side effects post-pregnancy? there's an awful lot of concern for a fetus that isn't sentient than for the woman that carries it.

Do you think the person you're killing should have a say, or is it enough to pre-emptively murder them based on your personal assessment that they "will most likely live a difficult life?"

The question I want answered is why women like talking about rape so much. With the feminists its always rape this and rape that. Watch, now that Roe v Wade got overturned it'll be nothing but talk about rape for weeks.

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It's because their position is untenable WRT the 99% of abortions that are elective. So they have to spam rape to try and distract.
 
There is no nuance. Bill and Hillary Clinton sold out families, as did the senators who voted for cloture. Just like there is no nuance about NAFTA or most favored trading with China. They gutted labor then castigated working class whites who remembered how they'd been betrayed. No on trusted HRC to not sign the TPP. Believe it or not, a lot of thought and nuance went in to some people's hatred of HRC.



I think your speaking to fairness, not rights. Men have the same rights regarding pregnancy and their body as women do. As far as being a parent rather than giving birth, we give men almost no say in the US, even in the case of rape.
i think we're just going to agree to disagree on your first point.

men can't get pregnant so... i don't understand... as for men being parents but ultimately having no say, well, yeah, they're not the one incubating a baby for 9 months and permanently changing their bodies and brain chemistry after giving birth. and. wh- what? i don't want to put words in your mouth here, but what do you mean that men get no say in the US, even in the case of rape? a-are you implying that a man raping a woman should have a say about what happens to the baby? uhhhhhh. or are you saying that if a woman rapes a man (technically making him insert his penis inside her isn't rape, it's sexual assault, but it should be considered rape so i'm treating it as such) he should have a say if she makes him get her pregnant? that's... a really weird situation and i honestly don't know how to even go about debating that.
 
i think we're just going to agree to disagree on your first point.

men can't get pregnant so... i don't understand... as for men being parents but ultimately having no say, well, yeah, they're not the one incubating a baby for 9 months and permanently changing their bodies and brain chemistry after giving birth. and. wh- what? i don't want to put words in your mouth here, but what do you mean that men get no say in the US, even in the case of rape? a-are you implying that a man raping a woman should have a say about what happens to the baby? uhhhhhh. or are you saying that if a woman rapes a man (technically making him insert his penis inside her isn't rape, it's sexual assault, but it should be considered rape so i'm treating it as such) he should have a say if she makes him get her pregnant? that's... a really weird situation and i honestly don't know how to even go about debating that.
Men don't have the right to kill babies and women do... sounds like you guys have more autonomy. And once again, she didn't have to let a guy creampie her. Condoms exist.
 
Men don't have the right to kill babies and women do... sounds like you guys have more autonomy. And once again, she didn't have to let a guy creampie her. Condoms exist.
i-i don't understand where we're going wrong here. okay, so, men cannot get pregnant, they literally cannot carry a baby, so, yeah, no shit they can't "kill babies" as you put it, because they physically cannot have children. women can carry babies, and because of that it should be their right to abort something growing inside their body, whether or not i agree with how late said abortion happens.

and you're most certainly right! condoms do exist! and so does birth control! but these things can and do fail, so you should always have the option to be able to abort if something goes wrong.
 
i-i don't understand where we're going wrong here. okay, so, men cannot get pregnant, they literally cannot carry a baby, so, yeah, no shit they can't "kill babies" as you put it, because they physically cannot have children. women can carry babies, and because of that it should be their right to abort something growing inside their body, whether or not i agree with how late said abortion happens.

and you're most certainly right! condoms do exist! and so does birth control! but these things can and do fail, so you should always have the option to be able to abort if something goes wrong.
But you're saying women have less rights, but they have the right to get pregnant and kill their young, men do not have these rights. Women also have the right to be lazy sluts, but not at the expensive of children.
 
But you're saying women have less rights, but they have the right to get pregnant and kill their young, men do not have these rights. Women also have the right to be lazy sluts, but not at the expensive of children.

Don't you europussies also give your women strong protections against poverty rather than forcing them to raise their children in tents?
 
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But you're saying women have less rights, but they have the right to get pregnant and kill their young, men do not have these rights. Women also have the right to be lazy sluts, but not at the expensive of children.
i-i'm sorry that biological reality doesn't allow for men to carry babies? like your argument, as i interpret it, is, "men can't get pregnant but a woman can therefore she has more rights." i-i guess? if the act of a woman being allowed to have an abortion is considered an extra right that men don't have, due to biological reality, then sure, i guess the woman does have more rights than a man, since the man can't get pregnant and therefore doesn't need the right to abort a baby from his body.

so confusing...
 
Don't you europussies also give your women strong protections against poverty rather than forcing them to raise their children in tents?
That sounds like something you should consider BEFORE letting some dude cum in you.
Once again, I can't get over the idea that people support dumb sluts strolling into abortion clinics at 24 weeks to have their baby pureed. No matter how much you try to convince me that women are too stupid to consider their own sexual health, I could never agree with this.
 
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