The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Freedom Fries]

Just pull-out and use another form of birth control. The chances of getting pregnant if you do both of those are miniscule.

Hooray for more black babies.

Good job faggot.

Do you love black people?

Those stats are kinda hilarious, tbh.
Condoms are 98% effective - but Americans are only 85% effective at using condoms correctly.

I know they're supposed to work well, but I'm that retard who has managed to break multiple prelubed trojan condoms and yes I know you leave room at the tip. Not a big deal though usually since you just put a new one on unless you're too drunk to notice.

What if babby is literally killing me?

nobody is against abortion of nonviable babies or when the mother's life is in actual material danger

Yea about that... I've met a few women, including my last ex, that were allergic to condoms. Like in the literal "break out in hives" sense. So an alternative my last ex cam up with was this...
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You know those listerine strips you put on your tougne and they dissolve while making your breath smell fresh? Same concept except it goes in the vagina and kills sperm on contact.

spermicide irritates more people than latex by a lot, and they make nonlatex candams

 

[theshep]

Where do I stand on this issue? (Not that anyone cares.) I'm somewhat against it and it personally wouldn't be something happening within my family. HOWEVER, that's my circumstance and I don't agree with forcing my moral beliefs on anyone.

The reality is that people will fuck and people will be raped. Sometimes as a result of those situations, there will be an unwanted pregnancy. It has been this way for as long as people have been around. There have and always will be people who seek out abortion (even when it is illegal!). If women are going to have an abortion, they are going to have an abortion. Whether it be in a clinic, with a coathanger or by rolling down a set of stairs. It's going to happen one way or another.

Either way, the fetus will die. I think the option of having an abortion in a safe way should be available for those who want it.

Don't like/agree with abortion. It's simple. Don't have one.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Unless there's rape involved I'm against abortion. Saying "it's a fetus not a human hurr durr durr" really isn't a persuasive argument; it's essentially saying that anybody whose life is dependent on an exterior system for survival isn't a human which immediately breaks down if you put any thought into it. It just feels like abortion advocates (and yes, I mean they're cheerleaders for abortion) want to define away what a life means instead of living with the consequences of their ideals.

I mean, people who are for the death penalty generally acknowledge that it is, in fact, the killing of a human being and have to argue from there, but for some reason when it's an unborn child we're allowed to play word games to cover up the barbarity of the procedure. You're fine with babies being killed; just own it. The fact that people are unable to state the plain truth of the situation is pretty telling.

 

[Get_your_kicks_with_30-06]

The only valid argument for abortions (And in my opinion I still don't see it as that strong) is for when a women is raped and it results in a pregnancy.

But abortion lovers think the best argument is "I want to have consequence-less sex and you need to pay for it taxpayer". So it's almost a no-brainer why they can never successfully persuade anyone to their cause.

 

[The Pink Panther]

There is no reasonable argument for abortion. That's why they call it "pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion" because they know that abortion is wrong, yet they'll justify it anyway.

Even with "muh rape" which is only brought in to justify it to get people who sympathize with those plights accustomed to that concept.

 

[Superman93]

There is no reasonable argument for abortion. That's why they call it "pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion" because they know that abortion is wrong, yet they'll justify it anyway.

Even with "muh rape" which is only brought in to justify it to get people who sympathize with those plights accustomed to that concept.

If my wife were to get raped by some asshole, the kid and the rapist is getting aborted.

 

[The Pink Panther]

If my wife were to get raped by some asshole, the kid and the rapist is getting aborted.

Why not give the kid away?

Waste of a life right there. Just because your wife got raped doesn't invalidate the child's right to life even if it's not in your home.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I thought of another irritating argument pro-abortion people use: "Women are just going to do it anyways! If you don't let them do it then you're endangering their lives!"

It's akin to a hostage situation where the perp's demand is "Give me the abortion or by God, I might just kill myself!" Why should I give a shit? You're willing to kill a completely defenseless being but I'm supposed to take the moral high ground and concede to your demands lest you get hurt? It's completely nonsensical; now you've killed a baby and my consolation is that the murderers didn't get hurt? Again, the reasoning from that side is just staggering.

 

[Superman93]

Why not give the kid away?

Waste of a life right there. Just because your wife got raped doesn't invalidate the child's right to life even if it's not in your home.

Yeah. Make the kid through life in some shitty foster home sharing a single room with 30 other kids and have their standard of living be at the mercy of charities and fundings from the state. I’m not ok with forcing anyone to do something especially if they were put in a situation were they had no choice in the matter.

If your ok with giving birth to a rape baby that’s fine but don’t try to force others into experiencing 9 months of sadness and depression because of it.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

That's a possibility, but there are also a lot of women who will claim to be allergic to latex so that whatever dude they're with will forgo the use of a condom and accidentally fix them up with eighteen years worth of child support. Not saying this was the case, obviously you'd know better than I, but it does happen as does tampering with condoms [pinholes, etc.] among crazy ass broads who want to keep a man around but they're too batshit to do it by making him want to stick around organically.

But another option would be lamb-skin, usually a legit allergy to condom use is latex, lamb-skin contains no latex. If you say: "That's fine I have non-latex" and they argue with you about it, excuse yourself from the situation, go to the nearest gas station and grab a sixer, and head home.

Polyurethane condoms have been around and accessible since the '90s as well:


Also, NB: Lambskin condoms do not protect against STDs/STIs.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

The world is sick. It's a sick place. Abortion is rebelling against the good natural order. You think that this won't benefit people? a growing population will pay your pension. Prohibition works. Banning guns works, look at Britain; only knife crime. Alcohol consumption went down during the golden twenties (until the great depression). Libertarians are dirty lying animals bent on destroying society with their false god freedom. People were genuinely happier under the old order. Evidence? the Amish are the happiest people in America with no abortion, and no globalist degeneration. Humans were made to live in small farming villages, through evolution some have lived to evolve in cities, but those people are disgusting.

If you want to have an abortion then you are a genetic freak. Normal people don't get abortions. How do I know this? a lot of people today are genetic mutants (spiteful mutants coined by Edward Dutton), these people want to undermine our society by rebelling against their natural and good tendencies. 90% of kids weren't supposed to survive childhood. We know this because animal populations that have large amounts of their offspring survive get their ass kicked by other populations because their population become genetic mutant freaks. Rat utopia experiment.

In the end I think we should have abortions because if the only people having a abortions are genetic freaks then they shouldn't pass on their genes. Evolution happens fast, very fast if selectively pressure applies. Group selection exists. We, genetically, are a very different population than those who existed before the industrial revolution. We have been domesticated like dogs. My opinion matters more than yours, this is why I wrote this wall of text.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Yeah. Make the kid through life in some shitty foster home sharing a single room with 30 other kids and have their standard of living be at the mercy of charities and fundings from the state. I’m not ok with forcing anyone to do something especially if they were put in a situation were they had no choice in the matter.

If your ok with giving birth to a rape baby that’s fine but don’t try to force others into experiencing 9 months of sadness and depression because of it.

Well, baby for adoption has a much better chance. It's like how everyone wants a puppy, but no one wants that problem dog that's already been returned a few times.

You get to potentially rename a baby, but a 10 year old might be attached to their original name.

Even then, giving birth is pretty traumatic. I couldn't really blame someone who was raped for wanting an abortion. There's an extra layer of psychological trauma that would be prolonged, but I would think the best solution would be morning after pill. Undifferentiated cells aren't currently thinking, so it won't experience trauma. It reduces the trauma potential on the woman.

The morning after pill might not be comfortable, but neither is abortion. Plus, right after a rape it seems like it would be good to slog everything out of there and start anew. New menstrual cycle, new you.

If you want to have an abortion then you are a genetic freak. Normal people don't get abortions. How do I know this? a lot of people today are genetic mutants (spiteful mutants coined by Edward Dutton), these people want to undermine our society by rebelling against their natural and good tendencies. 90% of kids weren't supposed to survive childhood. We know this because animal populations that have large amounts of their offspring survive get their ass kicked by other populations because their population become genetic mutant freaks. Rat utopia experiment.

Uh... there are R and K species. Rats sink nothing into their offspring and mass produce them. Maybe only 10% of rats make it, but humans have always had better odds. It still might have been more like 50/50 to make it until you were 10, but after that you had a pretty good chance. That first year was the biggest hurdle. Most of that is surviving diseases not psychological pressures.

Rats is mostly predation weeding out the failures, but that pressure hasn't been particularly high in the human population for eons. We used to take more criminals out of it, that could be a part of it, but that still seems to be independent from surviving the disease pressure as children.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

I understand, and agree with the adoption part, but we have to remember that the foster care system is already swamped and shitty as it is. Who is going to care for all these unwanted children? They're just going to either grow up in abusive home where their parents resent them for being born, or be bounced around from foster home to foster home.

Just a reminder that Romania once outlawed all kinds of birth control, and it was a complete fucking disaster. The population exploded, and mortality rates went through the roof. There wasn't enough food to feed everyone, people were dying because of lack of medical care, crime skyrocketed, poverty drastically increased because there wasn't enough jobs and money to support the sudden population boom, and orphanages were absolutely overflowing, and rampant with utterly horrific abuse.

The ramifications were so great and catastrophic that it's one of the reasons that lead directly to the Romanian revolution, and even 30 years after the laws were reversed, they're still dealing with destruction they brought to the country.

Look, I don't like abortion. I hate it. I absolutely hate it. But I see it as a necessary evil that should be highly regulated and controlled, because the alternatives are so much worse in the long run.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Even Iran's abortion laws are nothing like what some U.S states have proposed.

Yea about that... I've met a few women, including my last ex, that were allergic to condoms. Like in the literal "break out in hives" sense. So an alternative my last ex cam up with was this...
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You know those listerine strips you put on your tougne and they dissolve while making your breath smell fresh? Same concept except it goes in the vagina and kills sperm on contact.

If this stuff worked 100% getting an IUD, injection or taking pills would be entirely unneeded. The thing is it doesn't work 100%. It is probably less effective than a Diaphragm (a dated and one of the least effective method of birth control).

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Just a reminder that Romania once outlawed all kinds of birth control, and it was a complete fucking disaster. The population exploded, and mortality rates went up through the roof. There wasn't enough food to feed everyone, people were dying because of lack of medical care, crime skyrocketed, poverty drastically increased because there wasn't enough jobs and money to support the sudden population boom, and orphanages were absolutely overflowing, and rampant with utterly horrific abuse.

sure, and that was a good thing. Not everyone is meant to survive. If banning contraceptives means a society like that then count me in. If Romania kept on that path they would've been the most genetically superior country in europe in 3 generations.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

What you call pregnancy termination, a sane person calls murder. The leftist method of trying to use linguistics to distance women from their crimes is just as insane as their method of trying to use linguistics to define "sex" and "gender" as the same thing. The only difference is that this debate was settled before most of us were born, most likely. So we didn't see it develop in real time, we grew up in a world that already accepted that abortion wasn't murder, somehow.

I don't think troons are women, I don't think all white people are racist, and I don't think abortion is "termination". Plain as day.

Now, if you need an explanation of how society benefits from limitations on murder, then you're a psychopath and I tip my hat because not even I am that mad at the internet.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

What you call pregnancy termination, a sane person calls murder. The leftist method of trying to use linguistics to distance women from their crimes is just as insane as their method of trying to use linguistics to define "sex" and "gender" as the same thing. The only difference is that this debate was settled before most of us were born, most likely. So we didn't see it develop in real time, we grew up in a world that already accepted that abortion wasn't murder, somehow.

I don't think troons are women, I don't think all white people are racist, and I don't think abortion is "termination". Plain as day.

Now, if you need an explanation of how society benefits from limitations on murder, then you're a psychopath and I tip my hat because not even I am that mad at the internet.

I wonder what else they'd take away from you in a theocracy.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Snip.

Username suggests more than a little bias on your behalf.

 

[Muttnik]

I agree with a lot of you guys. But I don't think it's that simple.

Firstly, I think abortion is an ugly act. It's definitely not something to glorify or be proud of. And I don't think people should have it just willy nilly because it's inconvenient to have a kid. That said, it alarms me how many guys here don't seem to be able to put themselves in the other person's shoes, especially when it's not them that has to make the choice or carry the baby if pressured out of it.

Sometimes giving birth kills the mother. Sometimes the idea of carrying your rapist's baby feels like a violation and a continuous reminder of your own weakness and vulnerability. Sometimes you're 100% positive in advance that the child will be born with life-altering disabilities where they will never be fully sentient and will never live a full life, thus ruining your life as well in the process.

Now think about that through the eyes of the woman that has to bear the brunt of it all in making a choice for her own wellbeing. People aren't perfect. Is abortion murder? I don't really know. Yes and no. If it's something that people consistently debate over, I don't know if it's ever fully one way or another. As I've said, it's definitely not something I find empowering, nor is it something anyone should just jump into without second thought.

But it has a level of importance and it should be given as an option for the people who need it. And though I hope to god I'm never in that spot where I'd have to make that decision, I know that there's a very good chance that I would if any of the above factors came into play. I don't think people who have had an abortion should be shamed and labelled murderers on top of the big emotional toll of the procedure. That's cruel and doesn't empathize with their life circumstances.

Nothing is black and white. Ever. It's best to see things in shades of gray.

 

[Don't Tread on Me]

I wonder what else they'd take away from you in a theocracy.

I am not a man of faith. I don't believe in faith, I don't care about gods or anything like that.

I do believe in people. And I think life is wonderful and glorious and the mistakes that happen along the way are just another factor of that. Humans don't need to control every little thing that happens to them. Sometimes rolling with the punches is how to properly deal with things.

Incidentally, we also need children to function as a society. So having 18% of our pregnancies end in termination is not ideal either. It doesn't seem like it's just an option anymore, when so many people are exercising it. Having kids should be the norm, it must be the norm.