The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Bad Take Crucifier said:
Can you answer the question? You've contradicted yourself enough times.

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What is your account name?
I know it's literally right there in front of me but I'm asking anyway because I'm a retard who can't read.
Why are you laughing at me? Why aren't you answering? It's a very serious question you should take seriously!
 
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Bad Take Crucifier said:
It's really not clear.
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It's really very clear, you're just dumb.
Please explain to me how these two statements contradict and what specifically is confusing you.
If you don't do that I literally can't explain it to you.

>I care if thing A happens
>I don't care if thing B happens
>wtf that's a contradiction
nigga how

Spoiler: He can't explain how.
 
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Coh said:
The first half this post is good information (which doesn't change jackshit nor makes me want to change my mind at all. Even if you are in pain during a c-section (which I fucking doubt but hey I'm not a doctor),you aren't dead for one and it's the same pain you'd feel in labor or having your vagina vaccumed out while killing your child. So what difference does it make? The other half is one part the rambling of a salty retard and the other part is bullshit. There's really nothing you are arguing other than the fact that you have the intellectual acumen of a fucking plank of wood.
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What part of "major surgery" do you not understand? Do you seriously believe that the aftermath isn't painful? That women can just go home and get back to their everyday lives?

And not all abortions involve suctioning, by the way. But even if they did, the recovery period is so much easier than that of a c-section. The mortality rate is lower too.

Learn about the female body before spewing your bullshit. You are precisely why men need to stay out of this debate. Mind your fucking business.
 
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Coh said:
That's actually kind of hypocritical then.

I'm not even going to pretend it is feasible to stop people from doing things that are morally wrong if their heart is dead set on it. That's why I don't think making abortion illegal will actually work: women will still seek them out and still get them. Roe v. Wade only makes it so that it is legal on a federal level and not the state level, which really is more appropriate since this is a states' rights issue in terms of US jurisprudence. There is no right to abortion and never was before '72 and the federal government should not be in the business of policing morality (more for practical reasons rather than ethical ones). Nor do I not understand why some women get them for economic reasons. That still really doesn't make it right though. That's the heart of the issue though and why I can only support the termination of a pregnancy in a case where the mother's life is actually at risk from it (and even then only in an indirect manner where the objective is to save the mother's life rather than kill the child): because it is taking a life and human life has worth (I'd go a bit farther than that and say all life has some worth but that's not important here), regardless of how shitty it is. It really has nothing to do with sentience or the levels of suffering either, because suffering is a part of life and some people live horrid shite lives (either of their own volition (or lack thereof) or just by cruel fate). Those people at the end of the day are still human beings and I feel we have a duty to recognize their worth even if they themselves don't. Even if those two sisters had a pretty shitty existence, they still are worth about as much as you or me really just by virtue of the fact that we are human beings. I think the real issue here is that we come to our conclusions about abortion from different standpoints: you focus more on the practical and economic side of things and I focus more on everyone's worth and dignity as human beings and while these usually coincide, they come to a head on the issue of abortion and irreconcilably so.

I'm gonna be honest though, I can't really judge a woman who does get an abortion due to difficult circumstances or prenatal deformities. It's sad for everyone involved. A child dies and a mother loses her child and possibly makes it hard to make another one. The only people that I do judge are those that have no sense of what has been lost and call the child a parasite in order to dehumanize it. I think that's borderline sociopathic behavior.
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I understand where you're coming from and I agree with much of what you're saying. You're absolutely right that there is no right to abortion and that the Feds are in the wrong on this one.

FWIW you're right about us coming at it from different standpoints. I do understand that these are human lives with value. Like, those kids? They were potatoes but they were human potatoes. And even though their mother was an attention whoring bitch who used them to inflate her ego, hey, she did take care of them until they passed away. It's actually quite brave for people to take care of kids with such dire birth defects. It's not a small thing to take care of your disabled kids.

It's just that I, personally, can't get around the human cost of taking care of these hard luck cases. There are lucky people who have strong communities and families to fall back on, but there are also lots of people who don't have that. It's a horrible decision to have to make.

The parasite/host comparison has always been a dehumanizing one. I think it stems from several years of Ye Olde Pro Lifers from the pre-Obama era when "babykiller" and other insults were thrown around a lot more liberally. The result was quite similar to how right wingers have been smeared as "racists" today. The people being insulted decided to wear it on their sleeves with pride, and that's when the parasite/host thing got fresh airtime. There's a House MD episode where a high school girl needs to get an abortion because her pregnancy is killing her, House refers to the pregnancy as her being infected with a parasite. I always wondered if it came from there.
 
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Put as succinctly as possible: he cares if a baby is murdered, he's indifferent if it dies by other means outside his control.
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The fact that these two posts are right next to each other is astounding:
Erischan said:
My argument is "Murder is evil and impermissible."
I have been extremely clear about this. We are 50 pages deep and you're still making wrong guesses about what my argument even is despite me explicitly telling you over and over and over and over.
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Bad Take Crucifier said:
@Erischan what do you actually believe?
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haurchefant said:
It's just that I, personally, can't get around the human cost of taking care of these hard luck cases. There are lucky people who have strong communities and families to fall back on, but there are also lots of people who don't have that. It's a horrible decision to have to make.
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Those aren't lucky people. There's no such thing as luck. Those are good people. It's a moral decision. Good people make the right choice, evil people make the wrong one.

haurchefant said:
The result was quite similar to how right wingers have been smeared as "racists" today. The people being insulted decided to wear it on their sleeves with pride,
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The difference between those two situations is vast. People who were called racist over and over slowly realized that they couldn't actually see anything wrong with racism, because nothing is actually wrong with racism. They then started saying "Yeah, so?" in response, because that's a winning response.
Conversely, murdering your baby is actually evil. The people who are called this over and over slowly realized that they are actually evil, and they don't care. Then they started saying "Yeah, so?" in response, because they are evil.
 
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The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
Put as succinctly as possible: he cares if a baby is murdered, he's indifferent if it dies by other means outside his control.
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So basically

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Hollywood Hulk Hogan said:
He isn't wrong. That's the way you guys are acting
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Bad Take Crucifier said:
Not an argument.

Where's your argument? Why are you even mad? This is pretty consistent with everything being said. It's not like I'm contradicting anybody. If pointing out my argument makes you upset then give me a better one.

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Your dumb pea-brain can't comprehend that I'm not saying "I'll do whatever I can to protect your life!" You need to sarcastically relate my argument to a dumb strawman comic because you're too dumb to just read it, understand it, and respond to it. Sad!
 
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Bad Take Crucifier said:
Not an argument.

Where's your argument? Why are you even mad? This is pretty consistent with everything being said. It's not like I'm contradicting anybody. If pointing out my argument makes you upset then give me a better one.

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My argument was that your take was bad. Your name is bad take crucifier.
 
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Not a man. :story: I'm assuming you don't own a uterus. It's pretty clear who the men and women are in this thread. lol

Already made the argument that if you want abortion to go down, the science shows that welfare spending had driven it down the most. Your argument is "I don't like abortion because it's killing babies" ... That's a statement. Not a solution. Welfare is a solution. REEEing is not a solution. If your argument is to just get people to say "Yes abortion is awful" we don't disagree. But that's not a solution.

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