The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[What the shit]

This thread looks exactly like it did 3 months ago when I last opened it.

That’s why it’s one of the best threads.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

This is really my first (and likely only) time popping into this thread, so I'll share some of my own experiences with this "debate" outside of KF, which is based on my own experiences and what I've seen other people experience online and in real life:

The vast majority of the "abortion debate" is really only just MEN giving OTHER MEN a hard time for opposing abortion. I can literally count the amount of women I have met who have given me a hard time for being pro life on maybe two (or three, and that's being generous) fingers compared to the large amounts of men I've both dealt with in my own life and seen elsewhere. I've also seen pictures of pro life rallies and anti-abortion advocacy groups, and a LOT of the people I see there are women and there are usually a very small amount of men attending these things/joining these groups.

That is all.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You were supposed to say "Prove to us you're not a man."

Honestly, it's more pathetic if it's a woman. So bitter, shallow, and totally lacking any healthy sense of morality--the only warmth she'll ever know is that of her cats. Men aren't attracted to that in a wife at all, they want a woman who has the qualities of both a good wife and mother to their child. Those flaws can't be overlooked beyond using their holes.

Men usually have other redeeming qualities to women even if they're that way. Such men can still pull women, lots of selfish assholes do, and they find fulfilment through their careers (unlike women who only chase career woman lifestyles because feminism brainwashed them into an unfulfilling path).

The ironic thing about women like "her" is that they have to basically become the human equivalent of a Venus flytrap and purposefully conceive a man's child in a desperate attempt to keep him around. She'll be pro-life as soon as she's drying up and feeling lonelier than any incel could even fathom.

 

[Eurasian Lynx]

 

[kukkahattutäti]

I actually agree, but I will reiterate that abortionists should then have their own public campaign about how abortion is cool and shit. This, though, is bullshit, because you literally cannot sell murder no matter how much commercial polsih you throw at it and this by itself shows that abortion is truly a fucked up, unsellabel business practice besides a radical death worshiping, materialistic culture such and such.

If you have some kind of advanced cancer treatment, organ donor program, whatever fucking expert dentistry expertise, you can all sell those. You can put a picture of a healthy, smiling person to it and put in on a billboard. You can't do that shit with abortion because it is innately pure murder.

It is a hard sell and everyone reasonable knows that having a billboard with a woman smiling 24 hours after abortion would be bullshit because it is not a happy decision. Unless you're a total psychopath in which case abortion is definitely better than having a woman like that carry to term or be a parent. On an individual level an at-request abortion gives a chance to try and have a better life.

As for crazed anti abortionists, again, who the fuck are YOU to blame them for killing, which is fucked up and shouldn't happen, but how the fuck are you then going to defend psycho docs gladly taking paychecks for baby corpses?

That's an emotionally loaded statement and you know it.

I'll be honest, at my anti abortion clan meetings, I slept through all the medical mumbo jumbo that tells a different story, that most of these abnormalities are actually false positives and that you can still take the baby out of the mother without killing it inside, risking the mother's own health while at it. It's a barebone response, but if I have time, I'll glance through this in more detail.

See, I understand that people have lacking knowledge about genetics but it is an outright lie to say that genetic testing (which accounts for a variety of techniques) produces more false positives than true positives.

That's bullshit. One of the few things I can agree with socialistoids is that a government and western society at large should be able to provide for the disenfranchised and shit. Also, if the child is abnormal, but if he survives into some years, nobody has the right to kill it for convenience sake. It's a hard thing to say, but that is what I believe.

Any proponent of welfare and universal healthcare worth their salt understands that having a system like that is expensive and resources are not endless. Having a child on life support for the entirety of his/her painful little life costs and those resources are away from others. Preventing pregnancies that would have ended up in this situation is better for everyone involved as it minimizes the inevitable suffering.

Surviving some years is not a good standard to have because modern medicine is advanced enough to keep people with horrific conditions alive even if their quality of life is absolutely terrible.

There is plenty of bizzare about it. Like I said, if she's s evidently a plant, just ask her to fuck off, if she talks some plant bullshit, just ignore it. I personally believe she was legit since they did let her be there, but the hospital itself didn't want anybody to know why. Call it an assumption of scumminess from people who get paid to kill babies.

The thing is though that you cannot kick her out without a doctor seeing her first. The nurses are not equipped to make these kinds of decisions even if they suspect something. And it is not that the plants bother nurses as much as they go out of their way to manipulate and harass the patients who really do not need some activist trying to talk to them.

But would you agree that late term of even post birth abortion solely for the mother's whim is fucked up murder tho?

If by whim you mean that the they would not have had an abortion earlier but decided later to get one out of revenge or "just because" then yes, I do agree that it would be messed up. And this is why later abortions should be based on either medical or extremely dire social reasons (a 13-year-old rape victim who couldn't get an abortion earlier being an example of this). I do acknowledge that the problem with wordings such as "extremely dire social reasons" is that there will always be people taking an advantage of it, but it is difficult to truly have laws that perfectly reflect every possible situation.

Yes there is, I just gave you one. You fluctuate because you know its murder, but you don't want to admit to it.

No, as I stated I agree that it is killing something that is human, but abortion can be justified. The woman deciding to not carry to term, thus ensuring that the development is cut early on does not make it murder as she is justified in doing so. Just because there is potential does not mean that the potential has to be realized.

No they don't. Crazy hags who are willing to kill one kid, but have another whenever they are convenient ed up being fucked up parents. Take a look at all those famous bitches who are pro abortion because muh career and shit. They look like fucking nutbags and if you want to claim Crowder is bullshit, then allow me to claim that those bitches are bullshit parents.

Wanting to make sure that you can provide for your children as well as possible is not in itself bullshit or crazy in any way. It is natural. However, I do agree to a point that some of the pro-abortion arguments can get quite over the top and some prochoicers would be bullshit parents. So it is good that they can get abortions as the world does not need more negligent or even outright abusive parents.

It was. But why wouldn't you want to talk about early terms? Reckon it be much easier since earlies are even less of a person than lates.

Because there has been 264 pages of people having an autistic screeching match about early term. I just found it odd that you act as if medical journals and clinics have an agenda and thus everything they're saying can be disregarded but a video with a clear agenda is true even if it only contained talking to some waiting room weirdo. It is not logical and at worst it is hypocritical.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Hello kukkahattutäti
This discussion is getting a bit bloated. I like the cut of your jib since unlike vagina face you talk like a normal human being.
So just to either start over or to set things straight, I'll just state my position as clear as I can.
Abortion is murder, here I draw no lines and discuss nothing. Ending a human life is murder, point blank and case closed for me.
The reasons for abortion may waver, and as I have mentioned before, in the case of an incestual rape, I would not hold it against a girl who would get an abortion, but it is still murder of an innocent.
As for women who claim abortion should be easily accessible and be a business, that is utter bullshit. It's inhumane, careless, immoral and psychotic to get an abortion for sheer convince. As for the cases of rape, genetic malfunctions, death risks, those are arguable, I think, and even then the life of the child should have at least some priority.

 

[Muh Vagina]

As for the cases of rape, genetic malfunctions, death risks, those are arguable, I think, and even then the life of the child should have at least some priority

Why does the pregnant woman deserve to suffer?

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Why does the pregnant woman deserve to suffer?

She doesn't.
But neither does an unborn child deserves to die for her pleasure.

 

[kukkahattutäti]

So just to either start over or to set things straight, I'll just state my position as clear as I can.
Abortion is murder, here I draw no lines and discuss nothing. Ending a human life is murder, point blank and case closed for me.

And to set things straight I disagree on it being a murder as it is a justifiable choice and overall benefits the society.

As for women who claim abortion should be easily accessible and be a business [...]

Oh, I do not think it should be a business, I quite like it being a part of the healthcare system.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

And to set things straight I disagree on it being a murder as it is a justifiable choice and overall benefits the society.

I disagree on it not being murder, the justification overreaches beyond the Moon most times and in my experience those women who got abortions and even more so those who rabidly support it are some of the most crazed psycho hags you'd ever see. Come to think of it I have never seen a pro abortionist woman who'd actually be likeable.

Oh, I do not think it should be a business, I quite like it being a part of the healthcare system.

What do you think that is then lol

 

[kukkahattutäti]

in my experience those women who got abortions and even more so those who rabidly support it are some of the most crazed psycho hags you'd ever see. Come to think of it I have never seen a pro abortionist woman who'd actually be likeable.

Have you questioned every woman you have ever come across on her stance on abortion? Or is this just a biased take that most terminally online people tend to have akin to "everyone I disagree with is literally Hitler"?

What do you think that is then lol

Could just be a language barrier at play, but I thought that a business is something that is done for profit. A universal healthcare system based on taxation is not making fat stacks, that would be more in the realm of privatized healthcare (both can provide abortions though, but they obviously have to follow the same laws). Of course the manufacturing of medical equipment is a business, but that is irrelevant for this point.

 

[What the shit]

Controversial observation about abortion: I have seen the left and right debate about abortion.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Have you questioned every woman you have ever come across on her stance on abortion? Or is this just a biased take that most terminally online people tend to have akin to "everyone I disagree with is literally Hitler"?

See, here's another thing. Women don't go about bragging about getting abortions, if they do they literally look like some crazed psycho bitches.
As for those who had abortions that I do know, most of them actually do regret it, the others don't want to talk about it. I'm not even saying women who get abortions are literally Hitler, but you literally can't humanize abortions without seeming like Hitler.

Could just be a language barrier at play, but I thought that a business is something that is done for profit.

Don't see a language barrier here lol

A universal healthcare system based on taxation is not making fat stacks, that would be more in the realm of privatized healthcare (both can provide abortions though, but they obviously have to follow the same laws). Of course the manufacturing of medical equipment is a business, but that is irrelevant for this point.

I'm no expert on the field and there may be a regional barrier between us, but from where I'm at I can tell you that both private and public healthcare is business. Private I can understand, they actually provide better care most of the time too, but they also get a share of the healthcare tax. For instance people who need blood transfusion or what it's called when they have bad kidneys. That shit costs tens of thousands for one go and nobody can afford that shit, but the government. So the government pays out to private businesses who like money and like to keep clients so it's a well know practice of these motherfuckers to hold back on informing clients about any alternative treatment schedules or how to properly get in on the organ donor list.
And I can guarantee you the same shenaningan shit goes on in private abortion clinics. They don't get paid for not doing abortion.
And public healthcare just sucks, escepially if it's socialized. Have fun waiting for two month to get some kind of checkup, unless you know the right people who can get you in faster. Like my dad once said that on public hospital told him he'll need to wait two months for some checkup and he told them that in two months he'll probably feel fine again.

 

[Muh Vagina]

She doesn't.
But neither does an unborn child deserves to die for her pleasure.

The potato fetus or the rape embryo won't suffer. It can't think or feel pain. The pregnant woman will suffer. You're just outright admitting that you prioritize the unborn.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

The potato fetus or the rape embryo won't suffer. It can't think or feel pain.

If I slip some Russian Tea into your ear lobe while you're asleep, then you won't suffer and everyone in the whole world will never have to suffer you anymore the morning after.
Killing is killing, either if there is pain involved on the victim or on your potato tier conscience.

The pregnant woman will suffer.

If they want to kill babies, then fuck 'em. Someone already did.

You're just outright admitting that you prioritize the unborn.

Yeah nigger, did you not notice that already?

 

[Sweetpeaa]

This is really my first (and likely only) time popping into this thread, so I'll share some of my own experiences with this "debate" outside of KF, which is based on my own experiences and what I've seen other people experience online and in real life:

The vast majority of the "abortion debate" is really only just MEN giving OTHER MEN a hard time for opposing abortion. I can literally count the amount of women I have met who have given me a hard time for being pro life on maybe two (or three, and that's being generous) fingers compared to the large amounts of men I've both dealt with in my own life and seen elsewhere. I've also seen pictures of pro life rallies and anti-abortion advocacy groups, and a LOT of the people I see there are women and there are usually a very small amount of men attending these things/joining these groups.

That is all.

I think it upsets them that they might not have existed if their Mothers would have terminated the pregnancy. Men can't reproduce and they also have to rely on a woman to have their off spring.

 

[TapewormSalesman]

Okay, here's my two cents. Yes, abortion is murder. A lot of people doing it and gloating about it are terrible people. BUT do you really want these people having children?
Look at the exceptional individuals on this site, like good 80% of cows are this way because of shitty parenting. You force some vile hag from the childfree reddit to have a child, do you think she's gonna magically turn into a loving mother? Mistakes of shitty parenting are making more mistakes, yeah everybody loves the feel-good story of a guy from a terrible household raising himself to be a good person and turning his life around, but those are a minority. Majority of people with parents that hate them end up with a mountain of mental issues and keep the cycle going. I understand wanting consequences/punishment for the people senslessly fucking around and then just aborting it, but is it really by dooming an innocent child to years of abuse? Abusive mothers already get cut a lot of slack.
I persoinally would rather be aborted than raised by a BPD or narc mother.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Yeah nigger, did you not notice that already?

That makes you a fucking monster. Imagine prioritizing a non-sentient blob the size of a kidney bean over a traumatized rape victim and forcing her to go through even more trauma.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

That makes you a fucking monster.

Says the baby killah.

Imagine prioritizing a non-sentient blob the size of a kidney bean over a traumatized rape victim and forcing her to go through even more trauma.

Imagine dying.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Why does the pregnant woman deserve to suffer?

Because she wants to kill her own offspring. However, she won't be "suffering" anyway, by no stretch of the imagination is taking responsibility for your actions a form of "suffering".

Get that through your fucking head! If you equate responsibility with punishment and suffering, then too fucking bad, welcome to the real world, kiddo. Society needs to enforce a culture of responsibility and morality, this needs to be reflected in law. Killing your offspring because you couldn't be bothered to take the appropriate preventative measures in 2021 America is not an acceptable excuse.

You don't like that, and that's fine. Not everybody wants a just and moral world, but that's what most should strive for.

By your logic, why should anyone "suffer" after their child is born? I suppose you don't think it was wrong for parents to kill their children in the past when there were often not many other ways to be rid of them aside from selling them into slavery. Because you're a barbaric fucking psychopath, and all that matters is your constant and absolute pleasure and ease of life.

This world has hardships and many are self-inflicted. Life is difficult, but you shouldn't get to cheat through it by committing evil acts, period.

And none of that even touches on the fact that the man has no say about the fate of his offspring. Even if we as a society SHOULD support abortion for any and all reasons, it should NEVER be allowed to occur without the express legal consent of the father anyway, assuming he's a citizen in good standing (not abusive, able and willing to provide for his family, etc).

Pro-abortionists can't even agree to that though. Fucking feminists want nothing short of total control over life itself. If every woman decided to never reproduce we as a species would just have to fade out of existence with a smile on our face and a "you go gurl". It's absolutely ludicrous to even theoretically grant that much power to any group in society.

Fuck abortion, there's no excuse for it in 99% of cases and you fucking know it. Use contraceptives with your partner, sterilize yourselves, shut your damn legs, or--God forbid--give it up for adoption ("they're better off being ripped to shreds in the womb, the foster care system is worse than Nazi Germany's concentration camps!!1!").