The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Kermit Jizz said:
At that point you have to acknowledge their right to their body autonomy too,it's a moot point.
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Embryos and fetuses don't have legal rights. Pregnant women do.

And lol @ you speds thinking that I'm automatically wrong because of one poorly worded sentence.
 
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Marley Rathbone said:
Before Roe vs. Wade: Fetuses painfully torn apart and killed by iron coathanger in back alley, mother also at risk.

After Roe vs. Wade: Fetuses painfully torn apart and killed by medical instruments in doctor's office, little risk to mother.

My how far we are advancing as a society.
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My baby boomer Mother believes in the ''painfully torn apart'' myth and gets upset over the idea of this. However no one out side that age demographic should believe this. Abortion does not occur at that stage, there is no ''tearing apart limbs''. It's the scraping of tissue about 90% of the time of something that doesn't even have limbs yet. It does not even resemble a human yet the anti abortion activists do their best to misinform using pictures of stillborn's and pretending it's pictures of abortions.
 
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Sweetpeaa said:
My baby boomer Mother believes in the ''painfully torn apart'' myth and gets upset over the idea of this. However no one out side that age demographic should believe this. Abortion does not occur at that stage, there is no ''tearing apart limbs''. It's the scraping of tissue about 90% of the time of something that doesn't even have limbs yet. It does not even resemble a human yet the anti abortion activists do their best to misinform using pictures of stillborn's and pretending it's pictures of abortions.
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Sweetpea, have you never seen the ultrasound videos of the fetus being torn apart in the womb by medical instruments? They even open their mouths as if to scream in pain. It is really horrifying. And I saw that in the 80's. There was no ultrasound when Roe vs Wade was decided. People didn't understand that the fetus suffered pain.
 
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Kermit Jizz said:
That's circular reasoning.


Bringing up bodily autonomy in abortion arguments is retarded or psychotic. The entire pro-life argument is based around the idea fetuses have a right to life. At that point you have to acknowledge their right to their body autonomy too,it's a moot point.

Unless you want to argue that a woman's bodily autonomy trumps other people's right to life, you're fucking crazy.


Once again, what is sick about this? It's not a great situation either way if you believe abortion is murder. Murder or rape baby, that's the call they're making. You can disagree all you want about it being murder, but that's not what they think. Develop a theory of mind.
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1) a fetus doesn't have bodily autonomy
How can an undeveloped brain make decisions regarding its body?
2) why should an unprepared traumatized woman have to carry a child she didn't consent to have? You can't just say you want to make women have rape babies and then get mad when people call y'all incels
Zero Day Defense said:
So I guess it's murder depending on the country.
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Have you gotten laid yet?
 
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Solfa12 said:
1) a fetus doesn't have bodily autonomy
How can an undeveloped brain make decisions regarding its body?
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You misunderstand my position, that's what I believe. The point I was making is that it's pointless to engage pro lifers with the womans bodily autonomy arguments since the core of the discussion is at what point a fetus earns it's right to life.

You and I agree that an early fetus has no autonomy and therefore doesn't constitute a life yet, but they don't. People keep coming in here and just saying
>hurr during a fetus isn't a persob yet hurricane durr
That's just retstaing your position over and over and refusing to engage with the other sides arguments.


Solfa12 said:
2) why should an unprepared traumatized woman have to carry a child she didn't consent to have? You can't just say you want to make women have rape babies and then get mad when people call y'all incels
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Again, I don't believe this anyway. But getting butthurt and slinging insults over this position of theirs is childish. If you follow along in their reasoning the conclusion to not allow the abortion rape babies makes sense. It's not a savorable position for them, I don't see anyone cheerful about it or so callous to not realize those women would be going through immense suffering (well maybe a couple of them, but those are the minority). It just follows that murder is worse than severe emotional suffering.

And slight powerlevel, I know women irl who have had rape babies and even some of them aren't ok with aborting rape babies, despite the pain it's caused them. This debate isn't as simple as incels wanting to fuck with women for no reason, that's why I try and snuff that shit out where I can.
 
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Kermit Jizz said:
I have to assume you're just pretending to be retarded at this point.
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Show me where the embryo's so-called rights trump those of the mother's. Because the Wikipedia link fails to mention that.
Marley Rathbone said:
Sweetpea, have you never seen the ultrasound videos of the fetus being torn apart in the womb by medical instruments? They even open their mouths as if to scream in pain. It is really horrifying. And I saw that in the 80's. There was no ultrasound when Roe vs Wade was decided. People didn't understand that the fetus suffered pain.
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Exactly. You saw that fake ass video in the 80s, one of the most conservative decades in the modern era. You have been swindled.
 
Solfa12 said:
Most abortions happen in the first trimester and pain receptors don't develop until 29-30 weeks
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Irrelevant.

Solfa12 said:
It isn't murder by the legal definition
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Legality =/= morality.

Solfa12 said:
I support abortion not because I would personally have one ( I wouldn't) but because bodily autonomy is very important in general
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I agree, that's why people shouldn't willingly forfeit their bodily autonomy to their child if it means so much to them, keep it and don't become pregnant.

Of course, innocent humans' right to life is important as well; more so, in fact. So once that bodily autonomy has been forfeited the right to kill another simply out of convenience, or for an arbitrary reason (what stage of development they're in, the crimes of their parents, ability to feel pain or not, etc) shouldn't be an option.

Accountability and responsibility are important. Actions have consequences, think before you act, weigh the risks. This is what should be expected of us all, can't kill your problems away.

Solfa12 said:
Also, personal story but I noticed how sick pro-lifers can be last year a Mexican woman who I know was sexually assaulted and forced to carry the rape baby by her bible-thumping family
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Yes, tell that child he should have been blended for the sins of his father. How vile that they didn't support the murder of their grandchild! Surely the lake of fire awaits them for not committing infanticide!

Solfa12 said:
That incident solidified my opinion on this
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Me too.
 
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