The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Freya]

OK. So then what is the argument against letting women get abortions at 40 weeks? Why limit them at all?

What is the difference between aborting a 38 week fetus and killing a 2 week old baby? What magical thing happens in a birth canal that conveys sentience?

Who cares?

 

[Michael Janke]

"YoU JuSt wAnT To pUnIsH WoMaN FoR HaViNg sEx."-retard

do woman have sex with themselves or something? do humans proliferate through parthenogenesis you mongol? if it were up to me, men would be forced to support that their child by law, before its ever born. i dont want to punish woman for having sex. i want to save children from being killed for the crime of merely existing.

 

[Freya]

i want to save children from being killed for the crime of merely existing.

Well you can't.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Who cares?

I guess this where I drop the mic. I started out showing that your position is illogical, walked you through why it's illogical, and at the end, you showed that it's not about logic. It's about emotion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong.

 

[Freya]

I guess this where I drop the mic. I started out showing that your position is illogical, walked you through why it's illogical, and at the end, you showed that it's not about logic. It's about emotion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong.

No. You're just a fucking idiot who doesn't understand how policy works.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

No. You're just a fucking idiot who doesn't understand how policy works.

Calm down Karen, no need to take it personal.

 

[Freya]

Calm down Karen, no need to take it personal.

You're an idiot

 

[snailslime]

Should a woman have the choice to get an abortion at 2/3/4 weeks pregnant?

yes

What about at 38/39/40 weeks pregnant?

she should have a choice, but it's unethical and doctors wouldn't perform an abortion that late.

Or do you draw the line somewhere in between?

i do.

Well, you said at 26 weeks "the baby isn't a clump of cells anymore/is sentient enough to feel pain, and 26 weeks is a long time to wait to abort. But you said you don't support legislation to enforce that. So then, why wouldn't a woman be able to get an abortion at 40 weeks if she wants? If there is no legislation to stop it, then it's unenforceable. And if you truly believe a 40 week old fetus (or 26 weeks, or 35 weeks) is no longer a clump of cells then how do you justify in your mind not thinking it deserves protection at that point?

i already answered this.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

she should have a choice

Should she also have the choice to get rid of the baby if it's 2 weeks old? If not, why not? What is the difference between a 38 week old fetus and a 2 week old baby? They're both fully viable, so does something magical happen in the birth canal that makes it a human?

 

[snailslime]

Should she also have the choice to get rid of the baby if it's 2 weeks old?

pretty sure i have answered this like 5 times. are you slow or intentionally being obtuse?

If not, why not? What is the difference between a 38 week old fetus and a 2 week old baby? They're both fully viable, so does something magical happen in the birth canal that makes it a human?

the baby starts developing the ability to feel pain at around 22 weeks. what are you not understanding?

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

the baby starts developing the ability to feel pain at around 22 weeks. what are you not understanding?

Does feeling pain make you a human?

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

the baby starts developing the ability to feel pain at around 22 weeks. what are you not understanding?

Well, the part I'm not understanding is why you would still support the choice of the mother to abort the baby long after that point.

You just keep saying you don't agree with it, but you think she should have the choice. But why should she have the choice to abort a fetus that is that far along if you acknowledge you have a living, feeling human being at that point? The point I'm making is there is no difference between a 2 week old baby who was born a few weeks early, and a 36 week old fetus. If you support the choice of a woman who gets rid of one, you would logically support her choice to get rid of the other as well, since they are functionally identical in development.

 

[snailslime]

Does feeling pain make you a human?

what does this have to do with anything?

Well, the part I'm not understanding is why you would still support the choice of the mother to abort the baby long after that point.

You just keep saying you don't agree with it, but you think she should have the choice. But why should she have the choice to abort a fetus that is that far along if you acknowledge you have a living, feeling human being at that point?

1) there are exceptions. babies can be born with severe birth defects that would 100% hinder their lives and cause them major pain outside the womb, among other risks like the mom possibly dying during childbirth. making late-term abortion illegal really would be an abuse of power and it wouldn't stop illegal underground/back alley abortions anyway.

think of it the same as gun control laws. people would still get their hands on a gun or in this case, an abortion.

The point I'm making is there is no difference between a 2 week old baby who was born a few weeks early, and a 36 week old fetus.

of course, due dates are only correct 5% of the time. a 36 week old baby is practically full term, hence why i said 22 weeks is my personal opinion for a cutoff.

If you support the choice of a woman who gets rid of one, you would logically support her choice to get rid of the other as well, since they are functionally identical in development.

i support her choice to get rid of them under certain conditions because making it illegal would be anti-american and people's medical problems shouldn't be political.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

what does this have to do with anything?

Okay, define human

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

i support her choice to get rid of them under certain conditions because making it illegal would be anti-american and people's medical problems shouldn't be political.

So if a law was passed that limited abortions after 22 weeks except in the case of significant harm to the mother, or the child having severe birth defects, wouldn't that protect against the instances you're concerned about?

 

[snailslime]

So if a law was passed that limited abortions after 22 weeks except in the case of significant harm to the mother, or the child having severe birth defects, wouldn't that protect against the instances you're concerned about?

yes but that law would end up being abused by lawmakers with bad intentions, so i don't support laws like that because corruption will happen.

 

[Niggaplease]

I think abortion should be a thing, I am tired of prolifers going off how life is sacred and bitch about paying taxes for wellfare.
life isn;t anymore sacred outside the womb than in, if life is sacred that we can't abort, then stfu about welfare queens.

 

[Eto]

what does this have to do with anything?

The point he's making is that if you're cutting off solely because the fetus can feel pain, does pain suddenly make it unethical to destroy something? If something is unable to feel pain, is it fine to destroy it? Think carefully about the implications, as there are instances where people are unable to feel pain, with examples being under anesthetic or nerve disorder.

making late-term abortion illegal really would be an abuse of power and it wouldn't stop illegal underground/back alley abortions anyway.

think of it the same as gun control laws. people would still get their hands on a gun or in this case, an abortion.

I'm also going to address this point, because I find it ridiculous for even gun spergs to mention. The point of a ban isn't to stop it completely, it's to reduce your average person from getting their hands on something that is actively discouraged by the government. You could make the point that access to abortion reduces the demands of an abortion, as seen in countries that also give easy access to contraceptives in comparison to countries where abortion is illegal.

Speaking from experience, I think abortion should be legal, with one reason being the fact that there are plenty of idiots who believe they cannot get pregnant, and I simply do not want those idiots raising the next generation. It's not a well-thought out reason, I admit, but it's a reason. I will also admit that I have sympathy for pro-life people and can understand their arguments.

Speaking from another experience, I do not think my pro-choice contemporaries have thought out their ideals coherently, because I see contradictions and poor arguments all the time. I'll even admit that my thoughts on the subject are muddled with inconsistencies. I also do not find it a contradiction to be pro-life and pro-death penalty, as I speak as someone who is against the death penalty. It's a semantic word game to try and "one up" someone. "Oh, you're pro-life? Why do you support killing bad people, then?" The reason there's no inconsistency is because you're giving a possible person the chance to make their own choices, whereas someone who has earned the death sentence made their choices clear. It's akin to saying that pro-life people should be against self-defense, as it takes a life despite that life making a choice to actively harm.

This debate is utterly pointless, as there's no attempt to understand an argument, and instead it goes into a game of who's more hypocritical.

 

[snailslime]

The point he's making is that if you're cutting off solely because the fetus can feel pain, does pain suddenly make it unethical to destroy something? If something is unable to feel pain, is it fine to destroy it? Think carefully about the implications, as there are instances where people are unable to feel pain, with examples being under anesthetic or nerve disorder.

i think getting rid of a fetus before it's developed enough to feel pain is much better than the alternative. no woman wants to get an abortion lol, do you think it's an easy choice? "whoop dee doo, let's merrily skip to the clinic and get my long awaited abortion DDD"

I'm also going to address this point, because I find it ridiculous for even gun spergs to mention. The point of a ban isn't to stop it completely, it's to reduce your average person from getting their hands on something that is actively discouraged by the government.

again, nobody looks forward to getting an abortion like they look forward to getting a new shiny cool gun.

You could make the point that access to abortion reduces the demands of an abortion, as seen in countries that also give easy access to contraceptives in comparison to countries where abortion is illegal.

exactly.

Speaking from experience, I think abortion should be legal, with one reason being the fact that there are plenty of idiots who believe they cannot get pregnant, and I simply do not want those idiots raising the next generation.

i support it because i don't think a woman should be forced to carry a fetus that will feed off of her body and nutrients for 9 months. also, rape is unfortunately a thing.

It's not a well-thought out reason, I admit, but it's a reason.

are you a woman? if you are, i think you can do much better.

I will also admit that I have sympathy for pro-life people and can understand their arguments.

i have sympathy for people who actually value all life but i don't think most "pro-lifers" do.

Speaking from another experience, I do not think my pro-choice contemporaries have thought out their ideals coherently, because I see contradictions and poor arguments all the time.

like which ones?

I'll even admit that my thoughts on the subject are muddled with inconsistencies. I also do not find it a contradiction to be pro-life and pro-death penalty, as I speak as someone who is against the death penalty.

if it's not a contradiction to be pro-life and pro-death penalty, why are you against the death penalty?

It's a semantic word game to try and "one up" someone. "Oh, you're pro-life? Why do you support killing bad people, then?" The reason there's no inconsistency is because you're giving a possible person the chance to make their own choices, whereas someone who has earned the death sentence made their choices clear. It's akin to saying that pro-life people should be against self-defense, as it takes a life despite that life making a choice to actively harm.

i think you underestimate how difficult it is for a woman to carry a baby for 9 months. it's not a walk in the park. also, hypothetically the baby could grow up to be a total asshole or even a murderer.

This debate is utterly pointless, as there's no attempt to understand an argument, and instead it goes into a game of who's more hypocritical.

this is only because of bad faith actors.

 

[Lord Edge of Leetworth]

i think getting rid of a fetus before it's developed enough to feel pain is much better than the alternative. no woman wants to get an abortion lol, do you think it's an easy choice? "whoop dee doo, let's merrily skip to the clinic and get my long awaited abortion DDD"

again, nobody looks forward to getting an abortion like they look forward to getting a new shiny cool gun.

exactly.

i support it because i don't think a woman should be forced to carry a fetus that will feed off of her body and nutrients for 9 months. also, rape is unfortunately a thing.


are you a woman? if you are, i think you can do much better.


i have sympathy for people who actually value all life but i don't think most "pro-lifers" do.


like which ones?


if it's not a contradiction to be pro-life and pro-death penalty, why are you against the death penalty?


i think you underestimate how difficult it is for a woman to carry a baby for 9 months. it's not a walk in the park. also, hypothetically the baby could grow up to be a total asshole or even a murderer.

this is only because of bad faith actors.

This nonsense is why women should get bred and kept off the internet.