The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Lurker]

Nigger how high are you?

no he's just dumb

 

[Niggaplease]

Why does the birth canal confer personhood? Because it is convenient for your viewpoint?

ever heard of a c-section? by viable that means the fetus is capable of surviving outside the womb.
doesnt matter how it comes out there champ, just as long its capable being able to cling to life despite it being able to live with out the womb.

How narcissistic are you?

It was bad enough when you salivated at the idea of shutting me down in the bizarre hypothetical situation that I sought your services, as if I ever would, and as if I could ever stand to gain from doing so. But you think the whole point of that comment is "you should feel bad about your life's choices" when it's actually "shut the hell up, you don't know a single thing about men, your once being a whore never afforded you that knowledge, and don't ever suggest that I would ever try securing a whore's services-- let alone yours".

all I am hearing WHY WONT WAHMAIN TOUCH MY PEEPEE.
I know men like you are insane misogynists.I think its narcisstic of you to go on this incel tirade.

It's not "things that happened", it's things you did. Whoredom didn't happen to you-- you chose it, by your own admission.

yes to an extent but to be fair, I was in a shitty situation with a crippling drinking problem. so I don't place too much culpability on my actions. neither do I feel bad.

This is entirely "you're not qualified to commentate on the McDonalds' breakfast menu, much less men", but now you're digging this ridiculous hole for yourself where you deliberately avoid owning what you did by rephrasing it as something that happened to you as opposed to something you freely chose and did-- yeah, sure, you don't feel shame about it, that's why you describe it with all the active voice of a knife-wielding murderer saying "the knife went in".

why should I when I can't remember a fraction of what I did due to drinking so much to cope with the fact I was being whored out by a man who beat me if I didn't make a certain quota. You are aware abusive relationships are hard to leave right? then again I am waiting for its was toats my fault I got my ass beat too.

Don't waste time acting like your experience afforded you knowledge about anyone. I'll crack and buy a whore to solve my "perpetual virginity"? Even though it would net me none of what I actually want in a relationship, even though I'd be painfully aware of the farcicality of the <2 hr arrangement, and even though doing so would expose me to both venereal disease and the long arm of the law?

I think the incel doth protest a little too much.
if you know you'll never ever buy a whore to alleviate your perputal vrginity, then why does it bother you so much that you need to sperg about it to a woman you deem already lesser about how you would never ever evvver LIKE TOATS FOR REALZ EVER buy a hooker because your a good boi? if your that strong in your conviction of being a super duper good boi who wouldn't stoop so slow to fuck trash, then it should mean fuck all than my petty ass jabs.

This is being predicted by someone who-- again-- only avoided being murdered by dangerous men she put herself at the mercy of by associating with other dangerous men she put herself at the mercy of. This is being predicted by someone whose only major experiences with men have been when they rented out her body to use as a Fleshlight. No wonder you can only read "you should feel bad for being a whore!" and "women won't have sex with me!"-- those are close to the only things you've gotten from men that weren't money and sex, in that order.

Wow its almost like having a crippling addiction leads you to dangerous places and situations, way to state the obvious, captain obvious.

You put a price tag on your own body and reduced yourself to a self-warming Tenga. You have the least right out of anyone here to talk about the value of life.

I value life enough to know its not a good idea for me to raise kids, you on the other hand just want women to get pregnant, regardless of the sistuation that may have led to the pregnancy. Life is important to you so long as its in the womb, not what quality of life the kid may have after. your not a woman, so you have even less say than me.

You've already said that you would never have children, and you consider that your contribution to society. You've decided to have no stake in the future of the community.

yes its my individual choice to have no kids, but just because I relinquish the possibility of having future grand kids, doesn't mean my bodily autonomy is invalid, and doesn't mean that other women's

If men can't talk about something that "doesn't concern them" because they can't give birth (even though they can be chased from coast to coast to pay child support, and even though there's zero problem with them manning every segment of the abortion institution), women who have decided they'll never have kids on account of wallowing in self-pity about how they (willingly) acted as a net detriment to society deserve even less of a say.

what you fail to realize is this, women have to carry the kid, your nothing but a sperm donor, and this isn't like for 1 month this 9 months, so its a cost to carry a kid for the woman, that is paid in time resources and money, you can not give birth if you have penis, you don't have to carry the fetus you don't have the time investment, at most the state will make you pay child support. you act like pregnancy is just some easy thing for women, when its a long, and for some women grueling time investment, that takes months for fruition. in days before we had modern medicine maternal mortality was a real thing. you don't even have sex to even procreate, so by your own logic, you have NO SAY.
bodily autonomy should be invalidated.

 

[Lurker]

@Zero Day Defense doesn't like when people post things on his profile and invade his personal space without his consent.

it's a shame he can't see the irony in this.

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

And what exactly are the lights on the skull supposed to mean? Electrical activity in the brain = consciousness?

I am trusting actually scientists on this over you sorry

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

@Zero Day Defense you will never fuck a women stay mad about it.

 

[gang weeder]

I am trusting actually scientists on this over you sorry

So you are stuck going back to "because I said so." Figures.

Nigger how high are you?

I notice that none of you can actually respond to the question. "lol ur dumb" is a cope.

 

[Lurker]

So you are stuck going back to "because I said so." Figures.



I notice that none of you can actually respond to the question. "lol ur dumb" is a cope.

it's not our fault you're too stupid to understand basic science. you can lead a tard to the shortbus but you can't make it get on.

 

[gang weeder]

it's not our fault you're too stupid to understand basic science. you can lead a tard to the shortbus but you can't make it get on.

No u. You are clearly just a blue haired landwhale feminazi harpy that hates men. Or something like that.

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

So you are stuck going back to "because I said so." Figures.



I notice that none of you can actually respond to the question. "lol ur dumb" is a cope.

Again actual scientists who knew their shit> you

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20494736/

The newborn shows several signs of consciousness, such as being awake and aware of him/herself and mother. The infant processes olfactory and painful inputs in the cortex, where consciousness is believed to be localized. Furthermore, the newborn expresses primary emotions such as joy, disgust, and surprise and remember rhymes and vowels to which he or she has been exposed during fetal life. Thus, the newborn infant fulfills the criteria of displaying a basic level of consciousness, being aware of its body and him/her-self and somewhat about the external world. Preterm infants may be conscious to a limited degree from about 25 weeks, when the thalamocortical connections are established.

 

[snailslime]

This is very annoying without a reply feature... @snailslime


lmao life isn't a spectrum, something either is or is not life. Holy shit I'm still replying to you, I am retarded.

it is a spectrum.

I told you multiple times what the source was. Remember, it rhymes with "Botanica"? And where's your source for some life being "less alive" than other life, especially pertaining to human development?

then link the source. for some reason you seem very opposed to doing that.

You said they only gain sentience at around 22 weeks. I proved that to be false, and so you moved the goal since responding to sound proves you're wrong.

you didn't prove anything to be false.

Yes?! So as Ketanji said, only biologists can define "woman"; not Ketanji, and neither you nor I, JUST biologists? But you defined a woman earlier. Are you a biologist or not?

you don't need to be a biologist to define what a woman is.

Because we're talking about ending human life, details matter. And humans develop sentience, we're not plants lol how do you not know that fact?

it's not ending human life.

Unless you're suggesting it won't become sentient because it'll be retarded or something, but I don't think killing retards is right either anyway, do you?

it might be miscarried or die after birth.
i personally think aborting a severely disabled baby is more moral than birthing him or her and letting them suffer.

Wait, wait. You said it doesn't matter that the fetus will gain sentience since it currently is not sentient, implying only the current moment matters. If the future doesn't matter, why does the past? The comatose dude IS, just like the young fetus, not sentient NOW.

because the comatose dude had a whole life behind him, had feelings, experiences, likely a family that loved him and probably consented to whatever would be done once he was in the coma. fetuses aren't like that.

Does only now matter? If not, then why does the past but not the future matter? In fact, just tell me exactly what tangible difference it makes anyway, why should anybody cares if he WAS sentient since you don't care that the fetus WILL be?

see above

What if he was born comatose?

then his parents were very irresponsible.

What's scientific about killing your offspring at their most vulnerable? I don't get your point.

it's not killing nor is it murder.

Can't care about babies that are killed, so maybe focus on that first.

emotional appeal fallacy

Being small doesn't mean it doesn't count as being killed.

ok but it isn't being killed nor murdered.

Explain.

i already did

I'm pretty sure that's not true but regardless, then I apologize.


Hold up. You were saying it's "not life" and "not alive", not that it wasn't "sentient life". You need to be more consistent, you can't flop around like a fish out of water.

it's not yet a distinct life nor is it sentient. are you happy now?

I'm not here to debate whether it should or not, but it DOES. That is what matters.

nope, it is very much not.

But it's not a question of if it was or not, it is currently dead and can never not be dead, so it is--being dead and all--not sentient, so you don't need to say "this steak is not sentient". That is redundant as steak is inherently not sentient.

what? then why did you make the argument that your steak was sentient?

 

[snailslime]

Killing humans would be (not cool), but Jews aren't human.

yeah you're definitely a true Bible follower

 

[Lurker]

No u. You are clearly just a blue haired landwhale feminazi harpy that hates men. Or something like that.

sir I am but a cute pink dog plushie. you are the one with the blue avatar. I think we both know who the real blue-haired landwhale feminazi harpy REALLY is.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

yeah you're definitely a true Bible follower

You gonna call me a pagan again?

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I notice that none of you can actually respond to the question. "lol ur dumb" is a cope.

Fine I'll answer your question and call you a dumb faggot. Yes, bran activity can be viewed by via looking at electrical activity in the brain. Certain portions of the brain correspond to certain mental functions. So you can literally see is someone is capable of self awareness or whatever by looking at those charts.

Dumb faggot.

 

[snailslime]

How narcissistic are you?

It was bad enough when you salivated at the idea of shutting me down in the bizarre hypothetical situation that I sought your services, as if I ever would, and as if I could ever stand to gain from doing so. But you think the whole point of that comment is "you should feel bad about your life's choices" when it's actually "shut the hell up, you don't know a single thing about men, your once being a whore never afforded you that knowledge, and don't ever suggest that I would ever try securing a whore's services-- let alone yours".


It's not "things that happened", it's things you did. Whoredom didn't happen to you-- you chose it, by your own admission.

This is entirely "you're not qualified to commentate on the McDonalds' breakfast menu, much less men", but now you're digging this ridiculous hole for yourself where you deliberately avoid owning what you did by rephrasing it as something that happened to you as opposed to something you freely chose and did-- yeah, sure, you don't feel shame about it, that's why you describe it with all the active voice of a knife-wielding murderer saying "the knife went in".

Don't waste time acting like your experience afforded you knowledge about anyone. I'll crack and buy a whore to solve my "perpetual virginity"? Even though it would net me none of what I actually want in a relationship, even though I'd be painfully aware of the farcicality of the <2 hr arrangement, and even though doing so would expose me to general danger, venereal disease and the long arm of the law?

This is being predicted by someone who-- again-- only avoided being murdered by dangerous men she put herself at the mercy of by associating with other dangerous men she put herself at the mercy of. This is being predicted by someone whose only major experiences with men have been when they rented out her body to use as a Fleshlight. No wonder you can only read "you should feel bad for being a whore!" and "women won't have sex with me!"-- those are close to the only things you've gotten from men that weren't money and sex, in that order.


You put a price tag on your own body and reduced yourself to a self-warming Tenga. You have the least right out of anyone here to talk about the value of life.

You've already said that you would never have children, and you consider that your contribution to society. You've decided to have no stake in the future of the community.

If men can't talk about something that "doesn't concern them" because they can't give birth (even though they can be chased from coast to coast to pay child support, and even though there's zero problem with them manning every segment of the abortion institution), women who have decided they'll never have kids on account of wallowing in self-pity about how they (willingly) acted as a net detriment to society deserve even less of a say.

LMAO go scream into the void on reddit, loser bitch.

 

[gang weeder]

Fine I'll answer your question and call you a dumb faggot. Yes, bran activity can be viewed by via looking at electrical activity in the brain. Certain portions of the brain correspond to certain mental functions. So you can literally see is someone is capable of self awareness or whatever by looking at those charts.

Dumb faggot.

1. How could you read self awareness off of a brain scan chart? In order to test this, you would have to identify a specific "brain portion" that, when disabled somehow, causes the person to lose self awareness. Has this ever been done? Not that I am aware of.

2. Let's grant your premise for 2 seconds. A coma patient does not have the electrical activity seen on whatever brain scans you're posting. Let us posit that you have a person in a coma--little to no brain activity, objectively not conscious or self-aware. However, you know that in a few months, this person will wake up and regain consciousness. Is it okay to kill the person, because they are not self aware at the moment of their death?

 

[Hotter Shoeonhead.]

1. How could you read self awareness off of a brain scan chart? In order to test this, you would have to identify a specific "brain portion" that, when disabled somehow, causes the person to lose self awareness. Has this ever been done? Not that I am aware of.

2. Let's grant your premise for 2 seconds. A coma patient does not have the electrical activity seen on whatever brain scans you're posting. Let us posit that you have a person in a coma--little to no brain activity, objectively not conscious or self-aware. However, you know that in a few months, this person will wake up and regain consciousness. Is it okay to kill the person, because they are not self aware at the moment of their death?

Address the study I quoted

Brain scans are what scientists use to study conscienceness

 

[snailslime]

No u. You are clearly just a blue haired landwhale feminazi harpy that hates men. Or something like that.

don't you incels love fapping to anime girls with unnatural hair colors?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

@Niggaplease:

yes to an extent but to be fair, I was in a shitty situation with a crippling drinking problem. so I don't place too much culpability on my actions.

Wow its almost like having a crippling addiction leads you to dangerous places and situations

Of course you don't take responsibility for sinking yourself into a drinking problem in the first place.

why should I when I can't remember a fraction of what I did due to drinking so much to cope with the fact I was being whored out by a man who beat me if I didn't make a certain quota.

Because you chose to rent out your body in the first place and you chose to put yourself under the protection of a violent man who insisted you go out and surround yourself with other violent men.

I value life enough to know its not a good idea for me to raise kids, you on the other hand just want women to get pregnant, regardless of the sistuation that may have led to the pregnancy.

There's a difference between never conceiving and killing someone who was already conceived. Once they're there, the point is to do your best to ensure that they can have the best life they can (and don't talk about how welfare needs to be supported for that, that's irrelevant to the matter of killing kids and it's also you pushing your responsibility onto everyone else). We don't kill orphans because their lives aren't ideal.

But it's not as if there's some honor in you choosing to not have children "because it's not a good idea"-- the fact that you don't even see yourself capable of raising a child is a net negative reflection on yourself because it's you refusing to improve to at least be capable of the task.

if you know you'll never ever buy a whore to alleviate your perputal vrginity, then why does it bother you so much that you need to sperg about it to a woman you deem already lesser about how you would never ever evvver LIKE TOATS FOR REALZ EVER buy a hooker because your a good boi?

Because your comment literally-- not figuratively, literally-- made me vomit.

It's bad enough you don't know anything about men and you don't know anything about what I want, but suggesting I seek something hollow, gross, dangerous and illegal because every man you've been around has used you for your body is egregious and not something I'm handwaving away as you being dim. Also, stop responding to me if you're going to simultaneously expect I take you seriously but downplay the value of the comments you expect me to take seriously.

yes its my individual choice to have no kids, but just because I relinquish the possibility of having future grand kids, doesn't mean my bodily autonomy is invalid

You don't have "bodily autonomy". Roe doesn't guarantee you bodily autonomy, which is why even Planned Parenthood v. Casey allows states to make abortion restrictions past """viability"""-- even though it tries in vain to establish that standard to replace the standard of trimesters made in Roe.

Law as a whole doesn't grant you bodily autonomy-- in fact, it restricts your bodily autonomy, sometimes even when its exercise wouldn't or otherwise provably didn't affect anybody else. And what do you think the draft is?

But I'm really not interested in talking about the value of "bodily autonomy" with someone who could sell her own so cheaply, who keeps arguing that she didn't have agency even where she did, and who doesn't get that it couldn't ever be relevant when we're talking about securing the services of a third person (the person who actually does the abortion).

what you fail to realize is this

Here's what you fail to realize.

Every single bit of the institution of abortion is helmed by men. You rely on men to make abortion legal by legislation and verdicts. You rely on men to perform the abortions. You rely on men to design and make the tools and drugs involved in the abortion. You rely on men to fund the institution. And you're even okay with men talking about abortion as long as they only say "YAS QUEEN, SLAY". This is the case because women want it to be the case, not because they couldn't helm it all themselves-- especially now.

Your argument is "men have no say in whether it's okay to kill kids but they should be doing everything they can to make killing my kid feasible".

@Zero Day Defense doesn't like when people post things on his profile and invade his personal space without his consent.

No, I just think it's gross that you imported your gripes onto my profile page out of spontaneous obsession, and you look like a high schooler when doing it.

 

[Lurker]

No, I just think it's gross that you imported your gripes onto my profile page out of spontaneous obsession, and you look like a high schooler when doing it.

"DON'T POST MEAN THINGS ON MY PROFILE HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE RETARDED THINGS I SAY! JANNIES COME SWEEP IT UP I CAN'T HANDLE BEING CRITICIZED FOR MY INCELDOM!"

that's you right now.

cry more, incel.