The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[The Cunting Death]

If you don't think it matters then leave it to those who do, unless you have a good reason for why it doesn't.


I knew I shouldn't have had my hand in the cookie jar...

thats what you get for stealing my cookies you motherfucker

 

[All Cops Are Based]

People are nasty and, shit everywhere. Why do you want more of them around?

Pretty trenchcoat-and-katana take for somebody in the "everyone I don't like is an incel" camp

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

thats what you get for stealing my cookies you motherfucker

Based and cookiepilled

 

[Haint]

Pretty trenchcoat-and-katana take for somebody in the "everyone I don't like is an incel" camp

You don't interact much with the public do you?

 

[Niggaplease]

The guiding principle is "saving lives". It's completely understandable to abort a child because continued gestation will lead to the death of the mother-- because the death of the mother also means the death of the child, but the termination of the child can at least save the mother.

nigga let me stop right there, most prolifers believe in that the life in the womb is more important than the mother, one need to look at brazil, ireland and alabama were women and young girls were forced to carry either high risk or dead pregnancies that would impact various facets of the mothers health, just because you state that you personally believe that abortion should be okay in these instances doesnt mean that most prolifers feel the way you do and most over the top restrictions prevent even access to those whom you would deem frivilously legitmate reasons. also sorry but I dont trust men like you in general to have a womans best interest at heart.

This dilemma doesn't exist in more than 85% of all abortions done.

yes there's also other reasons, like financial, having one to many kids, genetic issues, getting screened for downs syndrome, reluctance to be a parent, doing everything right but still your bc failed. even by removing these reasons still by your very own logic that leaves 15 percent of woman having do it for reasons related to rape or health problems.

"Life is sacred" doesn't mean "no abortion, ever", but in this context it does mean that a high esteem for life needs to be a major factor in such a decision. Somewhat similarly (because, in the previous context, you're not "defending" against the person, but rather against circumstances occuring despite that person), "life is sacred" doesn't mean that I'm against killing in self-defense even though I abhor murder.

in some countries they esteem life so highly they risk women and girls suffering either phyiscal or mental health issues because their restrictions in abortion are so extreme they cant even get one if needed. Which is again what most prolifers want in the usa, extreme restrictions and non availability.

It will never exist in scenarios where you're killing a kid just because nobody wrapped up, nobody took the pill, and you're just "not feeling" having a baby at that point in time even though both you and the child are healthy-- and that's because you've chosen to rate a life as lower than your ambitions/comforts.

guess what dumb dumb condoms and birth control pills can fail. 78 percent of the us population doesn't know how to correctly put on a condom correctly, birth control pills can fail, no contraceptive method is 100 percent fool proof. Again I with you have to cycle with the quality of life argument, parenthood shouldn't forced onto people because you deem it the correct moral decision, it should be wanted, if you want good healthy kids, otherwise your potentially forcing kids into the world unloved and unwanted. which goes back to my argument life is only sacred to you so long as its in the mothers womb. not what kind of life they'll have because the mom was forced into because moral reasons.

...but you already knew this. You were just so excited when you saw the opportunity to call me out on hypocrisy, that you thought that my views would be too underdeveloped to account for what you thought you could pass as a contradiction (but truly wasn't).

you can't have it both ways, you can't chide someone for making a decision to no procreate for legitmite reasons beyond your own comprehension, and get to throw wahmain a bone, either life is sacred or it isn't.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

nigga let me stop right there, most prolifers--

You haven't talked to a single pro-life proponent in your (real) life.

Nearly none of them establish such a hierarchy. Even in Texas prior to Roe, you could still get an abortion in cases of rape or incest (the plaintiff tried to get one on the grounds that she was allegedly raped by several black men). That's where many self-identified pro-life proponents draw their line.

one need to look at brazil, ireland

Let me guess, you're referring to Halavanappar? The woman who died because the OB didn't want to abort a child they knew was going to die because she thought it was against the law on account of there being some heartbeat, despite not contacting legal-- who would have told her that a supreme court decision dating to 1965 made it so that they would have been able to grant an abortion for reasons as broad as the mother threatening her own life? The woman who died because they didn't even bother regularly monitoring her vitals overnight?

even by removing these reasons still by your very own logic that leaves 15 percent of woman having do it for reasons related to rape or health problems.

Don't lump those two things together-- ~1% of abortions, according to Guttmacher, happen because the aborted was conceived by rape.

in some countries they esteem life so highly they risk women and girls suffering either phyiscal or mental health issues because their restrictions in abortion are so extreme they cant even get one if needed.

When do they "need" an abortion, if not when they're in danger of death? What are the "physical or mental health issues" that measure up to taking a life?

guess what dumb dumb condoms and birth control pills can fail.

You know what doesn't fail, though? Not having sex, if you're so concerned about getting pregnant.

What do you even think sex is for?

Again I with you have to cycle with the quality of life argument, parenthood shouldn't forced onto people because you deem it the correct moral decision

This is why I've identified some pro-choice proponents as narcissists-- it keeps coming down to them and how parenthood is "forced" onto them, as opposed to them taking responsibility for bringing life into the world and making sure that the child receives the best life that can be provided for them. You're not interested in giving them a chance to find happiness in this world, or doing your best for them, or even doing something like arranging an adoption so they can be with people that explicitly want them.

You claim to worry about their being potentially unloved and unwanted, but does that mean that it's okay to euthanize group home populations? They're unwanted at that moment, after all.

Fundamentally, though you're not even concerned about the children, you're arguing at this point that they're are better off dead than alive on account of external circumstances.

What, do you think that their souls are recycled and they may get a better chance next conception? You probably don't even believe in any of that stuff, so you must realize that abortion means terminating a unique existence that's never coming back in any form.

you can't have it both ways, you can't chide someone for making a decision to no procreate for legitmite reasons beyond your own comprehension

If they actually decided to not do the one thing that would lead to conception, there would be no conversation to be had.

None of the circumstances are beyond my comprehension merely because I assert that some aren't justifiable cause. You don't get to play "well, like, that's just your opinion" while normally asserting your own position. Furthermore, legally, we've always allowed abortion restrictions-- even after Roe, states were allowed to make abortion restrictions past a point. And that's without those who perform the abortions themselves being able to decide when they want to provide their services and why.

and get to throw wahmain a bone

Why you keep defaulting to thinking that my argument is about "throwing women a bone" or "giving women an out", instead of what I've actually stated?

 

[NoTimeToLose]

I think abortions should be defacto a covered option in the cases of rape especially in incestous rape cases, you don't want the taxpayers to pay for abortions, yet you'd be happy for the taxpayers to pay for possible lifelong conditions that can come with shit LIKE INBREEDING can cause, oh yes good plan, force the tax payers pay anyway instead of it being a one time payment to yeetus the fetus in existence pay for the kid for 18 years if it doesnt haven't have any issues or defects or lifelong. also a 12 year old can not healthily carry a pregnancy to term, its what most doctors deem a high risk pregnancy to the mom,in countries that have pregnant 12 year olds also have high maternity death rates.

It's why I said to kill the Uncle in my hypothetical. And these kind of edge cases are mostly why I think no regulation is probably the most reasonable position to take. When the variables stack up and make the situation more complex, more legislation gives room to fuck things up even further at the macro level.

Because again eugenics and natural selection isnt the same, eugenics requires human intervention and doesnt follow natural law, besides it funnier to see who gets a darwin award or not. also besides natural selection I am not saying abortion to end a specific group of people, I saying people should have the option to opt out of the gene pool through their own actions if they desire. if by chance a group is erased by them choosing the option to abort kids instead birthing, than strictly falls on the free will of the individuals involved and not on a state enforced effort. things go away eventually, at some point humans would have fucked each other and interacially bred we may no longer have different races.

Abortion is not Natural Selection. It requires social engineering and many other Artificial Incentives.

 

[Niggaplease]

This is why I've identified some pro-choice proponents as narcissists-- it keeps coming down to them and how parenthood is "forced" onto them, as opposed to them taking responsibility for bringing life into the world and making sure that the child receives the best life that can be provided for them. You're not interested in giving them a chance to find happiness in this world, or doing your best for them, or even doing something like arranging an adoption so they can be with people that explicitly want them.

yet even still pregnancy for a woman is 9 month time investment, that can cost time as well money, money some women don't even have, most women who get abortions are poor and live paycheck to paycheck, and can't afford to take time off work to go to doctors for maternity visits, extra money for stuff like prenatal vitamins, time off work for birthing said baby.
again that type of arrangement shouldn't be forced, you act like its simple to for a woman to carry a pregnancy, for nine months, and not account for additional costs, and give the baby up for adoption, as if things like variables don't exists like theres a chance that baby can be born tarded and end up adopted out said adoptive home into a system.

You claim to worry about their being potentially unloved and unwanted, but does that mean that it's okay to euthanize group home populations? They're unwanted at that moment, after all.

part of the reason why we have group homes is because irresponsible parents have kids for stupid reasons, and end up abusing them, and what your advocating for is women have babies because of what you deem a morally correct reason. not because the parents truly want the child in question. no they must carry the baby to term and birth it because morals, nevermind theres some cultures that don't even consider you alive until your born.

Fundamentally, though you're not even concerned about the children, you're arguing at this point that they're are better off dead than alive on account of external circumstances.

for the kids who end up dead anyway because abusive parents birthed them only to later abuse them, yeah I'd see abortion as less cruel than how many years of extended and prolonged abuse. or a life time of cptsd from said abuse.

What, do you think that their souls are recycled and they may get a better chance next conception? You probably don't even believe in any of that stuff, so you must realize that abortion means terminating a unique existence that's never coming back in any form.

some cultures believe in reincarnation, I have no specific belief in any gods on this earth,
its why I think your argument that abortion bad because moral reasons is retarded. Imposing morality on a decision that involves freewill and forcing a state to impose your morality on some thing like abortion is wrong.

When do they "need" an abortion, if not when they're in danger of death? What are the "physical or mental health issues" that measure up to taking a life?

people don't like being forced into things, that can impact mental health.

 

[Lurker]

@Niggaplease, @Zero Day Defense must really like you, because he hasn't put you on ignore yet despite not sharing his shitty opinions. That being said, I wonder why you bother to debate him with any seriousness. Fact is, he's a loser and he hates women because he can't get laid, and nothing will change that.

I wonder if he got his views from his own mother. Just imagine his family dynamic, for him to end up this vile. Was Daddy abusive to Mommy? Did Daddy browbeat Mommy into sharing his shitty views on women? Was Daddy even in the picture? Does Mommy know that her failure of a son thinks that women are merely incubators who don't deserve bodily autonomy? I can't imagine telling my own mother that she doesn't deserve bodily autonomy. Like what in the actual fuck makes people think this way? I guess if you're a puritanical boomer, sure, but like... how can you hate your own mother so much that you deny her the same rights afforded to you?

At least we can rest easy knowing that ZDD's diseased genepool will end with him, thank Christ.

IN OTHER NEWS...

@SSj_Ness is a confirmed sock, feel free to check on his profile for more information. I know, this must come as a shock to everyone.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

yet even still pregnancy for a woman is 9 month time investment

not because the parents truly want the child in question.

You just keep proving my point.

again that type of arrangement shouldn't be forced, you act like its simple to for a woman to carry a pregnancy

I don't particularly care. I'm aware pregnancy is difficult. I just expect an adult to be able to do good for their own flesh and blood, even if it means they have to entrust them to someone who can do better.

...instead of killing them.

part of the reason why we have group homes is because irresponsible parents have kids for stupid reasons, and end up abusing them, and what your advocating for is women have babies because of what you deem a morally correct reason.

Murder is bad, yes.

nevermind theres some cultures that don't even consider you alive until your born.

...there are cultures where women legitimately have no rights and are accordingly treated as children. Can you make up your mind as to whether you want to be morally relativist?

for the kids who end up dead anyway because abusive parents birthed them only to later abuse them, yeah I'd see abortion as less cruel than how many years of extended and prolonged abuse. or a life time of cptsd from said abuse.

So you can at best play Monday Morning Quarterback.

Imposing morality on a decision that involves freewill and forcing a state to impose your morality on some thing like abortion is wrong.

...that's already done, though. There's hasn't been a time when it hasn't been done.

That's the point of law as a whole.

people don't like being forced into things

"I shouldn't have to do things I don't want, even if I willingly do the one thing that would put me in that situation!"

The absolute state of the West.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Just a reminder that:

@SSj_Ness is a thrice ban-evading incel known as @Eris-chan who stalks the abortion thread and parrots the exact same talking points as Eris-chan. Also people make fun of him behind his back and it's hilarious.

@Zero Day Defense is also an incel who is abusive to women and uses their misfortunes as a way to demean and humiliate them. He also can't handle bants and will actually put you on this ignore list like the pathetic impotent child he is.

What about me?

 

[Lurker]

What about me?

literally who?

 

[Niggaplease]

@Niggaplease, @Zero Day Defense must really like you, because he hasn't put you on ignore yet despite not sharing his shitty opinions. That being said, I wonder why you bother to debate him with any seriousness. Fact is, he's a loser and he hates women because he can't get laid, and nothing will change that.

because his sperging is funny.
I know he hates women, I like watching him sperg and sploog his fragile masculinity in paragraphs to laught at.

I wonder if he got his views from his own mother. Just imagine his family dynamic, for him to end up this vile. Was Daddy abusive to Mommy? Did Daddy browbeat Mommy into sharing his shitty views on women? Was Daddy even in the picture? Does Mommy know that her failure of a son thinks that women are merely incubators who don't deserve bodily autonomy? I can't imagine telling my own mother that she doesn't deserve bodily autonomy. Like what in the actual fuck makes people think this way? I guess if you're a puritanical boomer, sure, but like... how can you hate your own mother so much that you deny her the same rights afforded to you?

probably because at some point his mom failed him in some way or was being what he deems a whore.
most men end up broken because of a mothers perceived moral failings. lol.

At least we can rest easy knowing that ZDD's diseased genepool will end with him, thank Christ.

yes he is a genetic dead end at this point, that is why he's mad, he will never procreate or have his perceived future.

@SSj_Ness is a confirmed sock, feel free to check on his profile for more information. I know, this must come as a shock to everyone.

lol wasn't his main account active in the ross threaed?

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

because his sperging is funny.
I know he hates women, I like watching him sperg and sploog his fragile masculinity in paragraphs to laught at.

probably because at some point his mom failed him in some way or was being what he deems a whore.
most men end up broken because of a mothers perceived moral failings. lol.

yes he is a genetic dead end at this point, that is why he's mad, he will never procreate or have his perceived future.

lol wasn't his main account active in the ross threaed?

Can you prove that a fetus is not human life, because all the other wamen loving libertine people don't want to tell me, since I'm a nobody.

 

[Lurker]

because his sperging is funny.
I know he hates women, I like watching him sperg and sploog his fragile masculinity in paragraphs to laught at.

probably because at some point his mom failed him in some way or was being what he deems a whore.
most men end up broken because of a mothers perceived moral failings. lol.

yes he is a genetic dead end at this point, that is why he's mad, he will never procreate or have his perceived future.

lol wasn't his main account active in the ross threaed?

It amuses me how he argues with such rigor, no matter what is said to him. Multiple paragraphs of him attempting to pick apart points and failing. All of that effort put into being an absolute piece of shit. Maybe if he spent less time denying women of their bodily autonomy and more time learning how to be a functional human being, he might actually have a chance with a lovely lady. But sadly, old habits die hard, and for someone as cripplingly autistic as @Zero Day Defense, he won't be able to break out of his self-induced inceldom.

also lol i don't hang around in the ross thread, so i honestly wouldn't know.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I like watching him sperg and sploog his fragile masculinity in paragraphs to laught at.

By... seriously engaging in topical conversation.

Should I assume that none of what you've said thus far is what you genuinely believe, if what you say here is indeed your aim? I can appreciate merely using someone's comments as a prompt for further comment, regardless of how cogent they're being, but I can't really get behind going at it with someone who doesn't believe what they say.

 

[Niggaplease]

By... seriously engaging in topical conversation.

Should I assume that none of what you've said thus far is what you genuinely believe, if what you say here is indeed your aim? I can appreciate merely using someone's comments as a prompt for further comment, regardless of how cogent they're being, but I can't really get behind going at it with someone who doesn't believe what they say.

I believe in the right to gubbermint get out ree and abortions,
I don't care about your approval, I am here to laugh.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I believe in the right to gubbermint get out ree and abortions

But it's because of gubbermint that you get abortions, especially to the standard you do.

I don't care about your approval

It's not about your approval-- get out of your head for a minute.

It's about whether I'm wasting my time talking to someone who doesn't believe anything.

 

[Niggaplease]

But it's because of gubbermint that you get abortions, especially to the standard you do.


It's not about your approval-- get out of your head for a minute.

It's about whether I'm wasting my time talking to someone who doesn't believe anything.

the point of the government is perserve rights not infringe on them, reproductive autonomy is a right that should never be infringed upon.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

the point of the government is perserve rights not infringe on them, reproductive autonomy--

Abortion.

It's called "abortion".

It's not "reproductive autonomy", because you're relying on a third party to perform the abortion for you.

It's not a "right", because restrictions are still possible according to Roe and Casey.

As a matter of fact, it's evident that the SCOTUS was very out of line with Roe because their verdict was tantamount to legislation.