The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

What are you proposing? That Republican voters who elected Republican representatives do not actually want them to ban abortion? Because I think some basic polling would probably disagree with you on that.
I'd add that let's say that would actually be true, is abortion such a hot issue that the republican base would flip blue, especially at not so fun times as these?
This isn't 2006, my leftist friends.
Do you even know what gerrymandering is?
Have you seen New York?
Abortion is a medical procedure, lol. You don't care that corpses now have more rights than women do. Then you wonder why people say you hate women
So is lobotomy. So is organ harvesting. I'll just call the said medical procedure by it's specific name instead of some generalizing word game nonsense.
 
I'd add that let's say that would actually be true, is abortion such a hot issue that the republican base would flip blue, especially at not so fun times as these?
This isn't 2006, my leftist friends.

They wouldn't flip blue, but I think some would vote third party or stay home in protest. Some people take baby murder pretty seriously. Shocking, I know. Thankfully we don't have to worry about that right now. It is currently the libs' turn to cope sneed and dilate.
 
They wouldn't flip blue, but I think some would vote third party or stay home in protest. Some people take baby murder pretty seriously. Shocking, I know. Thankfully we don't have to worry about that right now. It is currently the libs' turn to cope sneed and dilate.
In my experience, adamant pro abortionists are always blue, anti abortionists are always red. The base wouldn't flip much and the third party vote risk, the republicans can take that solely because the democrats are burning down the country.
 
Have you seen New York?
So is lobotomy. So is organ harvesting. I'll just call the said medical procedure by it's specific name instead of some generalizing word game nonsense.
New York would have a blue state majority anyway. NYC is very liberal and makes up the vast majority of the state. Do you really think a state which voted a Biden win 60-37% should have a red state legislature?
Wisconsin, Arizona and a few other states are reliably blue (for most part) but have supermajority Republican state legislatures thanks to gerrymandering. You're fine with that, though, because they're pushing the religious shit on us that you want them to.

And abortion serves a specific purpose, there's legit medical needs for it. But you don't care if women die.

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart

You're the worst kind of people. You want to force women to have babies but don't give a shit about them once they're born
 
Internationally there are quite a few countries where abortion on demand is completely illegal. There is just one country where there is not gestational limit, and that's Canada. In a theocratic hellhole like Finland there is technically no right to abortion on demand, you need a reason like financial or psychological distress and then only for 12 weeks after conception. The exception are the countries where you can rip a baby to bits 30 weeks after conception.
 
Internationally there are quite a few countries where abortion on demand is completely illegal. There is just one country where there is not gestational limit, and that's Canada. In a theocratic hellhole like Finland there is technically no right to abortion on demand, you need a reason like financial or psychological distress and then only for 12 weeks after conception. The exception are the countries where you can rip a baby to bits 30 weeks after conception.
Well that's neat but the US isn't Finland
 
New York would have a blue state majority anyway.
So why bother butchering the districts?
NYC is very liberal
It wasn't always so and when it was not, it was far better. Won't mean much to you, I know a number of ex New Yorkers who lived though 911 there and before. I'll say only that Guliany is a hero in their eyes and they'd never vote blue because of what the democrats are trying to do to the man who bent the Mafia's spine.
Do you really think a state which voted a Biden win 60-37% should have a red state legislature?
Yes.
Wisconsin, Arizona and a few other states are reliably blue
Don't know anything about W, but I hear the Arizona red is pretty strong, so I doubt the reliable claim, especially from you lol
but have supermajority Republican state legislatures thanks to gerrymandering.
Like I said. It works both ways. Loads of republicans in Cali, don't see that many in power for some reason.
You're fine with that, though, because they're pushing the religious shit on us that you want them to.
Not killing babies is not an exclusively religious idea. If you'd know your history, there were a umber of religions that practiced "post birth abortion".
And abortion serves a specific purpose, there's legit medical needs for it. But you don't care if women die.
Which is used in dire medical need. The discussion is about "commercial" abortion, which is vile.
You sometimes tout organ donorship as an example about how someone's body is each to his own. Bar your stance of mandated vaccination, if, by law, you would define human life as something beyond conception at say any month of fetus developement, then, by law, anything less of that requirenment would be used for all kinds of crazy medical experiments and production. Would that bother you? The use of a fetus in "the science research"
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for.
I'm amazed you forced yourself to call them people to begin with.
They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated,
Neither do comatose and mentally challenged people, really. Don't see them murdered in the street yet.
unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor;
Are we talking about Cali again?
they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”
Yeah. Nice rant, almost read it to halfway before getting bored. Here's my rant.
How is it that where the left rules, there you find more poor, more widows, more orphans, more everything you say is wrong and nothing actually being done to change that. Socialist countries are leftist by design, of course you'd say they're some kind of conservative havens, though socialist countries hate religion and function on your whole utopia by government mandate principle.
Otherwise, those countries which take religion seriously, which is exclusively Christianity, are doing much better ir near every field the left claims to stand for.
This is a loaded talk without a point.
Show me proof that abortion reduces poverty and increases anything at all or shut the hell up with your meandering dog and pony bullshit already.
You're the worst kind of people. You want to force women to have babies but don't give a shit about them once they're born
You're the worst kind of people because your side is the one which is pro slavery, your side is the one who has destroyed your own country, your side hates small business, your side is in love with communism, your side counts genders with hands and feet, your side is against freedom of speech, your side cuddles up to muslim terrorists while spitting in the face of Christ, your side claims to support women, all the while demanding women be harassed by lunatic men wearing lipstick, your side is financed by big corporations, your side abuses the media, your side is okay with pedophiles integrating into society, your side ignores repercussions of your actions, your side never wants an honest debate, your side accusess the other side of what your side is doing all the damn time.
And you ca also pin some of these things on my side too, but you sure as shit can't pin all of them.
You can't also pin the killing of babies as a fix for issues that your side causes.
 
Well that's neat but the US isn't Finland


You should want to be more like Finland...you're an international embarrasment. With your abortion bullshit, your trans kids bullshit, the one month long pride pervert parade, the CRT white guilt shit, Americanism is a disgrace. And I am saying that as a respecter of traditional American culture and values.
 
edit: @potato in mah painus i think i maybe have forgotten to quote you, so i'm going to ping you here. sorry, you probably won't get a notification, but my not quoting you wasn't intentional, sorry.

it doesn't surprise me that people might be just a tad upset that the rights of approximately 50% of the population are being diminished because "states' rights", which, in my opinion, is bullshit. do i condone attacking or threatening the justices? no. does it surprise me that it happened and will likely continue to happen? no. the court is supposed to be impartial and if they took "offense" to shit, they need to be removed. not that they will be, but whatever.


environmental protections should be a countrywide thing, but alas, apparently our government doesn't think it's important enough. but sure, i should clarify MOST states' rights are not used in good faith.
Realize having a state right means the state populations can vote on the matter directly. and the rules that are currently on the books can easily be changed if the population wishes to. SC ripping the band aid off will result in more concrete legislation in the future is the short version here. You may not agree, but I believe in separation of powers based on how well it has worked in our past.

Minor PL too, I have a pesticide cert. Environmental protections ARE a country wide thing. The EPA sets a baseline for the rules and States are allowed to be equal or stricter based on local needs. Where I operated it was even broken down further, environmental rules were established on a county by county basis.
 
"Fuck Democracy, what about the woman's right to have no consequences?"
Simultaneously
"But gerrymandering means no Democracy!"
And
"How can a woman be expected to travel to get a $700 abortion? With what money? A flight from NY to LA costs a whole $300!"

TV has made you 'tarded, and not in the kickass "She's a pilot now" way. Join a grief mutual support group or something.
 
New York would have a blue state majority anyway. NYC is very liberal and makes up the vast majority of the state. Do you really think a state which voted a Biden win 60-37% should have a red state legislature?
Wisconsin, Arizona and a few other states are reliably blue (for most part) but have supermajority Republican state legislatures thanks to gerrymandering. You're fine with that, though, because they're pushing the religious shit on us that you want them to.

And abortion serves a specific purpose, there's legit medical needs for it. But you don't care if women die.

“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart

You're the worst kind of people. You want to force women to have babies but don't give a shit about them once they're born
I have to agree, that's part of what annoys me with this shit and why people trying to portray pro-life as a conservative value has always confused me since I have no idea why forcing individuals into the welfare system would be desirable, although tbh that's also why I'm happy to move in the direction of states kind of doing their own thing.

If these other states want to force people to have children and burden their welfare system, so long as they aren't burdening mine then they can deal with it, and when these individuals turn to crime in order to survive or wind up as junkies or w/e, then it can be their problem and they can deal with the consequences of using forcing people to have kids as a mechanism of control.

So in other words all this moral grandstanding bullshit is fine with me predicated on the fact that these dumbasses don't try to worm out of it and burden other states when it's time to pay the piper.
 
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If you look at the map, in some cases, women will have to drive through several states to get an abortion. Meaning having to take probably a week off of work (yeah, that's REALLY easy!), have access to a vehicle, to be able to AFFORD to travel, etc. Yeah, it's just soooo easy.

And if Doug Mastriano wins the government race here in PA, we're fucked. He wants to outlaw abortion in ALL CASES. No exceptions for rape, incest, or even if the mother's health/life is at stake. Oh hey, you're 13 and your father raped you? Too bad! Oh you're in the throes of a miscarriage and you're probably going to die of sepsis? Suck it up, bitch!

If this makes me Mad On the Internet, so be it.

(And one thing I've noticed while reading the editorials section of the paper. The vast majority of letters to the editor about "pro-life" seem to be from men. Not ALL of them, but most of them. Figures.) 🤬
 
If you look at the map, in some cases, women will have to drive through several states to get an abortion. Meaning having to take probably a week off of work (yeah, that's REALLY easy!), have access to a vehicle, to be able to AFFORD to travel, etc. Yeah, it's just soooo easy.

And if Doug Mastriano wins the government race here in PA, we're fucked. He wants to outlaw abortion in ALL CASES. No exceptions for rape, incest, or even if the mother's health/life is at stake. Oh hey, you're 13 and your father raped you? Too bad! Oh you're in the throes of a miscarriage and you're probably going to die of sepsis? Suck it up, bitch!

If this makes me Mad On the Internet, so be it.

(And one thing I've noticed while reading the editorials section of the paper. The vast majority of letters to the editor about "pro-life" seem to be from men. Not ALL of them, but most of them. Figures.) 🤬
oh, shit, here i thought oz won that primary. shows how much i pay attention to my own state's politics.

well, that at least solidifies that people are indeed insane heartless bastards who would vote for an insane disgusting piece of shit like mastriano. hopefully fetterman will kick his ass.

edit: i hope fetterman kicks mastriano's ass regardless. but yes, you're correct and i am dumb. mastriano is running for GOVERNOR and oz is running for SENATOR.
 
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