The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Chandelier]

What's your point with this?

Takes two to tango.

His position appears to be that underage girls shouldn't be able to get contraception without the health provider informing the parent. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. What's your problem with it? Are you in favor of minors having sex and hiding it from their parents?

Teenagers have been doing that for years. Deanda has explicitly stated his daughters will not be using the pill, because he's raising them in a traditional Christian mindset - where nearly all women use contraception in that demographic. So, he is undertaking a decision and lawsuit that personally does not affect him to set a standard across the entire country.

If his daughters were being personally harmed, or some other issue was brought up with the drug, I would understand it. Such lawsuits were not even taken seriously with oxycontin, but this was immediately taken up by a hand selected judge.

Why would any of this matter? Cats have brains and hearts and yet clearly aren't people.

Human development is an integral part of the pro life position. Heartbeats, brain activity, the 'Silent Scream', etc.

Well then maybe you can go find some people who are hypocrites about this and yell at them. I would fully be on your side.



Of course, but I believe unique human lives come into existence at conception. The person I was responding to clearly doesn't believe that but still suggests that elective abortions should be restricted. I asked him why, since I've yet to see any coherent viewpoint along these lines. The two coherent viewpoints are either it's a person or it isn't, and if it isn't, there's no apparent reason why you need to restrict elective abortions.

Is an embryo a full human being? In what way? They have to implant first, and half the time they don't. Is that considered murder, or accidental homicide?

No, that isn't what he's asking for. What he's asking for is literally quoted by you in your initial post. He wants to cease a federal grant program from providing grants to organizations that don't offer parental consent. This won't stop birth control from being handed out to anyone. Those organizations will continue to exist and continue to hand out said birth control, they just won't get federal funds to do so.

Deanda wants to stop a federal program that doesn't meaningfully affect him or his daughters. He did it because he was offended, and picked a specific judge for his needs. Had his daughters been harmed, or those of any other family, I'd understand his position. He has stated, openly, 'I am raising my daughters in the traditional Christian faith'. If his daughters are not using birth control as teens, so what? It doesn't affect them. Yet he didn't like the law, and sought out the judge. It's deliberately political.

Once again, this is the legal system as it exists, and its the legal system decisions like Roe inculcated. Forum shopping is a time honored tradition in our court system, as is people bringing out ludicrous lawsuits, and judges issuing nationwide injunctions and the like. I question whether or not this judge will even ban the drug, since the legal jurisprudence all but ensures that he will overturned. But in either case, this reaches into issues regarding our legal system that are really beyond this thread to discuss.

We will have to wait until the 24th, when the deadline is reached. You might have faith in the courts, but such optimism was also held for the SB8 law in Texas. That became law.

If the decision is appealed, it goes to the 5th circuit. And the 5th circuit might rule as Kacsmaryk did on the BC issue.

(And I'm aware judge shopping is done on both sides, it was done on a wide scale pre Obergefell)

Once again, the question isn't whether or not life begins at conception, but what Tennessee's law states on the issue of IVF embryos. This is a legal question regarding current law, not larger moral questions. The fact is, the focus has been on abortion for so long, no one has really even tried to parse this issue of IVF embryos. Sure its been brought up, but the legal focus has been on abortion primarily because of Roe. So it will be a while before actual jurisprudence on this subject begins to truly form.

Then it is safe to say Tennessee law doesn't see that life begins at conception, but at implantation. If it was to remain consistent, IVF would be banned across the board. This loophole is usually from pure ignorance, but it is amusing nonetheless. It shouldn't matter if it's a test tube baby or not. If murder is murder, IVF is murder.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

@Chandelier

Deanda wants to stop a federal program that doesn't meaningfully affect him or his daughters. He did it because he was offended, and picked a specific judge for his needs. Had his daughters been harmed, or those of any other family, I'd understand his position. He has stated, openly, 'I am raising my daughters in the traditional Christian faith'. If his daughters are not using birth control as teens, so what? It doesn't affect them. Yet he didn't like the law, and sought out the judge. It's deliberately political.

Be that as it may, he's not to going to "end birth control", nor is that even what he's asking for as relief from the court. And his issue is that he doesn't want his tax money going to supporting programs that would allow his daughters to get said birth control without his consent. Whether the court will side with him is another matter entirely.

We will have to wait until the 24th, when the deadline is reached. You might have faith in the courts, but such optimism was also held for the SB8 law in Texas. That became law.

If the decision is appealed, it goes to the 5th circuit. And the 5th circuit might rule as Kacsmaryk did on the BC issue.

On this particular subject, jurisprudence is pretty clear. And I don't think even relatively conservative courts will want to wade into the thorny questions this presents.

Then it is safe to say Tennessee law doesn't see that life begins at conception, but at implantation. If it was to remain consistent, IVF would be banned across the board. This loophole is usually from pure ignorance, but it is amusing nonetheless. It shouldn't matter if it's a test tube baby or not. If murder is murder, IVF is murder.

Laws aren't necessarily written to cater to every possible case where they could reasonably apply. Sometimes this is deliberate, sometimes this is simple oversight. I'd just consider this oversight and call it a day.

 

[Muttley]

Spoiler

I think abortion is wrong.
I am not against it in all circumstances.
And no, my soul exceptions are not rape and complications.
I think things like socioeconomic conditions or other life circumstances can be a fair reason.

And while I would characterize myself as anti-abortion,
because I think it is wrong and you should do everything you can to avoid getting one,
I wish we had abortion laws in the US that were at least as strict as Germany's.
Because as far as I'm aware, it's 12 weeks and they actually scrutinize you a bit before you can get an abortion.
And I think if you can't face basic scrutiny by a medical professional, maybe you shouldn't be shoving a blender up your womb.

I also think the historicity of back-alley abortions is largely a myth.
Millions of children have died, facilitated in no small part thanks to something that was either a myth, or that was an infinitesimally small problem on the scale of the population of the United States.
And what few statistics on this that are commonly cited (5,000-10,000 deaths a year), comes from a study that is postulating possible deaths, written in 1936, prior to the invention of both penicillin and oral contraceptives.

I have no issue with people being "pro-choice", when they are within reason and actually stop to think about to what extent they support abortion,
but I absolutely do have an issue with this culture of abortions on demand, no questions asked, and up until the moment of birth.
This is something that I am pretty sure is unique to America, and that I find to be abhorrent and degenerate.

Those are my thoughts on abortion.
I will never post in this thread again.
Because actually talking about abortion is not very funny.
Unless we're talking about aborting nigger babies.
Then it becomes very funny to me.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Spoiler

I think abortion is wrong.
I am not against it in all circumstances.
And no, my soul exceptions are not rape and complications.
I think things like socioeconomic conditions or other life circumstances can be a fair reason.

And while I would characterize myself as anti-abortion,
because I think it is wrong and you should do everything you can to avoid getting one,
I wish we had abortion laws in the US that were at least as strict as Germany's.
Because as far as I'm aware, it's 12 weeks and they actually scrutinize you a bit before you can get an abortion.
And I think if you can't face basic scrutiny by a medical professional, maybe you shouldn't be shoving a blender up your womb.

I also think the historicity of back-alley abortions is largely a myth.
Millions of children have died, facilitated in no small part thanks to something that was either a myth, or that was an infinitesimally small problem on the scale of the population of the United States.
And what few statistics on this that are commonly cited (5,000-10,000 deaths a year), comes from a study that is postulating possible deaths, written in 1936, prior to the invention of both penicillin and oral contraceptives.

I have no issue with people being "pro-choice", when they are within reason and actually stop to think about to what extent they support abortion,
but I absolutely do have an issue with this culture of abortions on demand, no questions asked, and up until the moment of birth.
This is something that I am pretty sure is unique to America, and that I find to be abhorrent and degenerate.

Those are my thoughts on abortion.
I will never post in this thread again.
Because actually talking about abortion is not very funny.
Unless we're talking about aborting nigger babies.
Then it becomes very funny to me.

You had me until the last two sentences.

 

[gang weeder]

Teenagers have been doing that for years. Deanda has explicitly stated his daughters will not be using the pill, because he's raising them in a traditional Christian mindset - where nearly all women use contraception in that demographic. So, he is undertaking a decision and lawsuit that personally does not affect him to set a standard across the entire country.

So you are in favor of teenagers being given birth control without parental knowledge or consent?

Human development is an integral part of the pro life position. Heartbeats, brain activity, the 'Silent Scream', etc.

Sometimes people say shit like that but it's dumb to do so. "Hurr it doesn't have a heart yet so it's not a person" is an anti life cope. None of that stuff defines what a human being is. A human being is a human being, not a heart or a brain or whatever lesser component.

Is an embryo a full human being? In what way? They have to implant first, and half the time they don't. Is that considered murder, or accidental homicide?

Embryo not implanting vs you actively destroying it is an obvious difference in kind. It's the difference in kind between a guy falling off a cliff accidentally vs you pushing him. This is such a lazy retarded argument. C'mon, do better.

 

[Chandelier]

Be that as it may, he's not to going to "end birth control", nor is that even what he's asking for as relief from the court. And his issue is that he doesn't want his tax money going to supporting programs that would allow his daughters to get said birth control without his consent. Whether the court will side with him is another matter entirely.

I've returned to this thread on the basis on the update regarding the mifepristone ruling. As there are none as yet, I will continue this argument.

Deanda was not harmed by birth control. He does not use birth control. His daughters do not use birth control nor do they use those programs. He picked the judge because he knew he would rule in his favour. This would have zero standing anywhere else. This was a jackass who wanted to use muh religion because he was afraid his daughters were guzzling cock behind his back.

If they were actually using the program he'd have a case. He does not; Alexander Deanda is just an opportunistic cunt who wants a federal program to end because he says so.

On this particular subject, jurisprudence is pretty clear. And I don't think even relatively conservative courts will want to wade into the thorny questions this presents.

They are. In South Carolina, the 'It Won't Happen' party is already filing bills and sending them to state houses and senates to hand women the death penalty if they ever get an abortion or self manage one. These are 'pro life' Republicans who do not support any exceptions, and are candid handing out death sentences to women on a whim. Pro lifers keep saying they are so supportive and caring of life when they keep showing their hand like this.

Laws aren't necessarily written to cater to every possible case where they could reasonably apply. Sometimes this is deliberate, sometimes this is simple oversight. I'd just consider this oversight and call it a day.

It is absolutely deliberate. We shall see if the judge will rule in the ADF's favor. But given the ferocity of pro life Repubs to 'ban it at all costs', he will likely rule in their favour.

So you are in favor of teenagers being given birth control without parental knowledge or consent?

Deanda isn't using birth control. Nor are his daughters. He's not affected by this ruling. Get someone else who is.

Sometimes people say shit like that but it's dumb to do so. "Hurr it doesn't have a heart yet so it's not a person" is an anti life cope. None of that stuff defines what a human being is. A human being is a human being, not a heart or a brain or whatever lesser component.

And you are right there handing out death sentences (or at the very least, filing bills to make that possible) in a multitude of state, first Louisiana, now South Carolina, because you're so pro life. If a fetus is a human being, give them citizenship. And the Florida case where a fetus wasn't given a fair trial when its mother was in jail shows that no, you don't actually consider them people when it counts.

It isn't life a test tube, not when you want those IVF designer babies, and a freshly divided cell isn't a human being. It has to implant to even begin development. You base the heartbeat laws on heartbeat = life, when others want full abortion bans at conception.

Embryo not implanting vs you actively destroying it is an obvious difference in kind. It's the difference in kind between a guy falling off a cliff accidentally vs you pushing him. This is such a lazy retarded argument. C'mon, do better.

There is no difference. That's a little 'person' dying because it didn't implant, since you are arguing life begins at conception. Your side just says this is an 'accident', or 'God's will' vs those mean abortions. Any miscarriage is medically called a spontaneous abortion. If the fetus has a heartbeat in that context, it's an abortion. You're the same people who think those infamous resin babies are what fetuses look like in the womb, so spare me.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Deanda was not harmed by birth control. He does not use birth control. His daughters do not use birth control nor do they use those programs. He picked the judge because he knew he would rule in his favour. This would have zero standing anywhere else.

And if that's true, it will probably not go anywhere. The Court System is usually good about slapping shit like that down.

They are. In South Carolina, the 'It Won't Happen' party is already filing bills and sending them to state houses and senates to hand women the death penalty if they ever get an abortion or self manage one

The bill they are talking about doesn't mandate the death penalty, it only says that abortion will be considered assault or homicide under state law. One of the punishments for murder in South Carolina is the death penalty, but its not the mandatory sentence. First of all, there is significant doubt that this will even pass the legislature. Second of all, I doubt any woman will actually be given the death penalty. And third of all, if they do, chances are well over 50% the Supreme Court will shoot it down because the Court has very consistently narrowed the circumstances of when the death penalty can even be applied. They will almost certainly shoot down trying to give the death penalty in those situations. In any case, I question how reliable this "article" even is since its an obviously pro-abortion leaning website.

Deanda isn't using birth control. Nor are his daughters. He's not affected by this ruling. Get someone else who is.

That doesn't answer my question.

 

[gang weeder]

Deanda isn't using birth control. Nor are his daughters. He's not affected by this ruling. Get someone else who is.

That is not what I asked. I take it from this that you agree with him on the topic.

And you are right there handing out death sentences (or at the very least, filing bills to make that possible) in a multitude of state, first Louisiana, now South Carolina, because you're so pro life.

I haven't handed out anything or filed any bills. I'm a random Internet retard, not a legislator. That said, if people want to make abortion punishable by death, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. Child murder seems worthy of the penalty. I mean, what do you think the penalty for child murder should be?

It isn't life a test tube, not when you want those IVF designer babies, and a freshly divided cell isn't a human being. It has to implant to even begin development. You base the heartbeat laws on heartbeat = life, when others want full abortion bans at conception.

Again, I'm not the one supporting "heartbeat laws." I want full abortion bans at conception, yes. That is the consistent pro life position and the only position which makes sense on the issue overall, at least, so long as we assume that it is wrong to murder children just because their existence inconveniences their mother. I have on occasion seen people try to take the "I don't care if it's a child, it's still fine to kill it!" tack. But you seem to know better than that.

There is no difference. That's a little 'person' dying because it didn't implant, since you are arguing life begins at conception. Your side just says this is an 'accident', or 'God's will' vs those mean abortions. Any miscarriage is medically called a spontaneous abortion. If the fetus has a heartbeat in that context, it's an abortion. You're the same people who think those infamous resin babies are what fetuses look like in the womb, so spare me.

I don't even know what this word salad is trying to say, so I'll take it you concede the point that yes, if you intentionally destroy an otherwise healthy fetus, that is different from the pregnancy failing on its own without any outside intervention. In exactly the same way that an old man randomly having a heart attack is quite different from someone forcibly injecting him with a substance that induces a heart attack.

 

[Freya]

In Kansas, the pro-abortion side used out-of-state dark money to fund their campaign, and was being shilled by Elizabeth Warren and the mayor of KC (which is in Missouri).

I think it's more likely the residents of Kansas just didn't want the government dictating their medical decisions for them. Not everything is a conspiracy

It could be. The US Electoral system is about as water tight as a sieve. May I remind you Arizona is STILL running recounts and suits over how fucked it is, Manicopa county has had issues with signatures and chain of custody for two straight elections, and attempts at actually implementing better security and streamlining the process are NEVER allowed to even be discussed.

And you keep ignoring the issue that we have some hard evidence of a political lobby using language that comes off as explicitly offering to pay people to vote, which is so hilariously illegal even 3rd world shitholes like Brazil and Ethiopia and Mexico would have sent police to investigate.

just looked at the site. It's not paying them for votes. It's paying them to shill for their organization.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

And I am sure that if it was a site offering that for the pro-life side there would have been hell to pay. Do you really think this is a innocent attempt at building grassroots support for the cause? This is extremely borderline shit. It does not work like that, it comes way too close and is obvious the sort of "nudge-nudge wink-wink" deal.

You sound a bit too optimistic. May I remind you the same people insist that 15 weeks is way too short a window for abortion and literally Handmaid's Tale when in fact 95% of abortions would be covered by it? The same people who used the fact a 10yo had to leave Ohio to get a abortion because her doctor and family did not want to report she was raped by a illegal immigrant to get the legal abortion Ohio allows for rapes done?

Do not assume good faith. These are progressive ideologues.

 

[Meat Target]

I think it's more likely the residents of Kansas just didn't want the government dictating their medical decisions for them.

Except the amendment in question didn't outlaw abortion. It allowed the government to regulate the abortion industry.

According a Kansas Supreme Court decision, any and all laws regulating abortion are "presumed unconstitutional". So as it stands, Planned Parenthood can hypothetically run a Kermit Gosnell/Joseph Mengele funhouse in Kansas and face no legal repercussions, because "muh body muh choice".

Not everything is a conspiracy

Following the money trail and connecting the dots is not a "conspiracy theory". The pro-aborts won through lying, fearmongering, and even violence.

Do not tell me otherwise, for I witnessed it firsthand, and had friends who were threatened by them (one of whom has small children).

It's not even about abortion for me anymore. Liberals went after innocent people close to me over this. And as we have seen in the last two weeks, they have also unequivocally declared that children are acceptable targets.

For that, liberals have my eternal hostility.

 

[Freya]

And I am sure that if it was a site offering that for the pro-life side there would have been hell to pay. Do you really think this is a innocent attempt at building grassroots support for the cause? This is extremely borderline shit. It does not work like that, it comes way too close and is obvious the sort of "nudge-nudge wink-wink" deal.

You sound a bit too optimistic. May I remind you the same people insist that 15 weeks is way too short a window for abortion and literally Handmaid's Tale when in fact 95% of abortions would be covered by it? The same people who used the fact a 10yo had to leave Ohio to get a abortion because her doctor and family did not want to report she was raped by a illegal immigrant to get the legal abortion Ohio allows for rapes done?

Do not assume good faith. These are progressive ideologues.

I'm not assuming good faith. I am saying the conservative tweeter was being dishonest when he said they were paying for votes. The organization was paying people to spread their point of view, not directly buying votes. Also there is a lot of money in the anti-abortion movement. A group opposing abortion rights has already spent 5 million fighting a petition in Ohio. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-pr...amendment-launches-5-million-ad-buy-rcna75088

Except the amendment in question didn't outlaw abortion. It allowed the government to regulate the abortion industry.

we know what "regulate" means to the GOP. We know what theyre doing

According a Kansas Supreme Court decision, any and all laws regulating abortion are "presumed unconstitutional". So as it stands, Planned Parenthood can hypothetically run a Kermit Gosnell/Joseph Mengele funhouse in Kansas and face no legal repercussions, because "muh body muh choice".

Kermit Gosnell was already breaking the laws. He received what he deserved. Abortion is legal in Kansas until 22 weeks. Not even at viability. What you're describing isn't happening.

Following the money trail and connecting the dots is not a "conspiracy theory". The pro-aborts won through lying, fearmongering, and even violence.

They have a right to fear monger. I wouldn't want my 12 year old daughter carrying a rape baby either. It's not conjecture anymore. It's reality in most red states now.

this anti- abortion group spent 5 million on an ad. but that doesn't count right?

Do not tell me otherwise, for I witnessed it firsthand, and had friends who were threatened by them (one of whom has small children).

It's not even about abortion for me anymore. Liberals went after innocent people close to me over this. For that, they have my eternal enmity.

What did they do?

 

[Meat Target]

Kermit Gosnell was already breaking the laws. He received what he deserved.

Don't be coy. You fiends masturbate to what he did.

They have a right to fear monger. I wouldn't want my 12 year old daughter carrying a rape baby either. It's not conjecture anymore. It's reality in most red states now.

"It's okay to lie if we get what we want! The ends justify the means!"

This is why you liberals are abhumans.

What did they do?

They smashed the windows of their home over a yard sign. I know you worthless animals have no problem with that, because "durr it's just property bro", so spare me the "no big deal" spiel.

And considering that attacks on churches have tripled just this year (including arson, gun-related incidents, and bomb threats), I don't exactly feel like giving a shit your "right to choose".

Again, it's not even about politics for me anymore. Liberals attacked people I care about. You can attack me all you like, but you do NOT fuck with my family or friends. I am going to choose my people over random histrionic loons 10 times out of 10.

Alas, why do you even worry about it? Most pro-abortion women are fugly ogres whom no man would touch with a 10-foot pole. The closest you'll ever come to being impregnated by rape is your Handmaid's Tale beanflicking fantasies.

 

[Freya]

Don't be coy. You fiends masturbate to what he did.

"It's okay to lie if we get what we want! The ends justify the means!"

This is why you liberals are abhumans.

They smashed the windows of their home over a yard sign. I know you worthless animals have no problem with that, because "durr it's just property bro", so spare me the "no big deal" spiel.

And considering that attacks on churches have tripled just this year (including arson, gun-related incidents, and bomb threats), I don't exactly feel like giving a shit your "right to choose".

Again, it's not even about politics for me anymore. Liberals attacked people I care about. You can attack me all you like, but you do NOT fuck with my family or friends. I am going to choose my people over random histrionic loons 10 times out of 10.

Alas, why do you even worry about it? Most pro-abortion women are fugly ogres whom no man would touch with a 10-foot pole. The closest you'll ever come to being impregnated by rape is your Handmaid's Tale beanflicking fantasies.

lmao cry moar

 

[Chandelier]

The bill they are talking about doesn't mandate the death penalty, it only says that abortion will be considered assault or homicide under state law. One of the punishments for murder in South Carolina is the death penalty, but its not the mandatory sentence. First of all, there is significant doubt that this will even pass the legislature. Second of all, I doubt any woman will actually be given the death penalty. And third of all, if they do, chances are well over 50% the Supreme Court will shoot it down because the Court has very consistently narrowed the circumstances of when the death penalty can even be applied. They will almost certainly shoot down trying to give the death penalty in those situations. In any case, I question how reliable this "article" even is since its an obviously pro-abortion leaning website.

Even if it came from a pro-life website, it wouldn't change a thing. The bill was only pulled back and lost nine of its sponsors due to public outcry. It doesn't change the fact that the Republicans who put their names to it A) didn't actually read the bill and what it entailed and B) vocally support what it entails. Certain Republican politicians have been candid in wanting a tit-for-tat regarding abortion, so the fact this legislation even saw the light of day at all.

In regards to the mifepristone ruling - look what happened! Now it's up to the 5th Circuit and maybe even SCOTUS.

That doesn't answer my question.

He's still not affected. "I will be raising my daughters in a traditional Christian setting and they will not be using birth control. Therefore no other teenager should be using it."

I haven't handed out anything or filed any bills. I'm a random Internet retard, not a legislator. That said, if people want to make abortion punishable by death, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed. Child murder seems worthy of the penalty. I mean, what do you think the penalty for child murder should be?

Republicans and the pro life movement have repeatedly stated that they do not want women to be penalized under these laws, just the providers. But at least there are some candid confessions from self professed protectors of the unborn.

That is not what I asked. I take it from this that you agree with him on the topic.

He is not affected by the ruling personally, as his daughters aren't using birth control.

Again, I'm not the one supporting "heartbeat laws." I want full abortion bans at conception, yes. That is the consistent pro life position and the only position which makes sense on the issue overall, at least, so long as we assume that it is wrong to murder children just because their existence inconveniences their mother. I have on occasion seen people try to take the "I don't care if it's a child, it's still fine to kill it!" tack. But you seem to know better than that.

You keep using the word 'murder'. Again, interesting how a zygote is a full human being, yet does not earn citizenship rights, right to a lawyer (such as the case of the pregnant woman in a Florida jail who lost her appeal based on that), or any other rights. In cases of IVF, they aren't people. They're property. Which I find mightily ironic and hilarious.

Again, the assumption is made that it is always the woman's fault. It isn't the father's fault for impregnating her; it isn't his fault for abandoning her, it isn't his fault for not wanting a role in the child's life. My wallet, my choice, right?

I've seen you admit that the death penalty is appropriate for women who undergo this procedure, so at least you know better than that.

I don't even know what this word salad is trying to say, so I'll take it you concede the point that yes, if you intentionally destroy an otherwise healthy fetus, that is different from the pregnancy failing on its own without any outside intervention. In exactly the same way that an old man randomly having a heart attack is quite different from someone forcibly injecting him with a substance that induces a heart attack.

A pregnancy failing on its own is called a spontaneous abortion. The drugs used to aid this 'natural death' are the same ones used in 'chemical abortions'. It is still considered murder (to you) if the fetus has a genetic condition that gravely impacts its quality of life. Whatever it is, it's murder.

 

[(‿ˠ‿) ԅ(≖‿≖ԅ)]

https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1644474871164944386

Imagine spending four years smuckling that a judge in Hawaii blocked practically everything that Trump and the GOP managed to actually accomplish, and then getting blindsided by the fact it could happen to you

 

[Vic Viper T301]

https://twitter.com/Angry_Staffer/status/1644474871164944386

Imagine spending four years smuckling that a judge in Hawaii blocked practically everything that Trump and the GOP managed to actually accomplish, and then getting blindsided by the fact it could happen to you

I remember hearing about this, didn't they find that abortion pills were causing cancer or heart attacks or some other deadly problem? Of course, the Twitter screenshot conveniently cuts off the reasoning and when I search for it all I find are mainstream news articles whining about Roe and saying how great, safe, and problem free it is to kill fetuses.

 

[ClackAlAcka]

They have a right to fear monger. I wouldn't want my 12 year old daughter carrying a rape baby either. It's not conjecture anymore. It's reality in most red states now.

Liberals literally can't read bills or lie to get their way. Besides two states, the rest are more liberal on abortion than the rest of western and central Europe. The fact that you must lie to be even politically competitive with conservatives is down right sad.

 

[Bakarina]

I remember hearing about this, didn't they find that abortion pills were causing cancer or heart attacks or some other deadly problem? Of course, the Twitter screenshot conveniently cuts off the reasoning and when I search for it all I find are mainstream news articles whining about Roe and saying how great, safe, and problem free it is to kill fetuses.

I know that some abortion procedures can cause various issues, like sepsis, hemorrhaging, lungs collapsing, etc. Can't remember if that's caused by the pills though and it's difficult to find information because of the "muh abortion" lobby.

Another issue is that a lot of 'discussions' equate miscarriages and stillbirths (a miscarriage at a stage of viability or loss of a child during labor) as 'spontaneous abortions' --which they aren't.

 

[Freya]

Liberals literally can't read bills or lie to get their way. Besides two states, the rest are more liberal on abortion than the rest of western and central Europe. The fact that you must lie to be even politically competitive with conservatives is down right sad.

how is taking conservatives at their own word lying? They are very proud of their total abortion bans. They have repeatedly said they want to ban it nationwide as soon as they get the chance. This isn't a conspiracy.

I know that some abortion procedures can cause various issues, like sepsis, hemorrhaging, lungs collapsing, etc. Can't remember if that's caused by the pills though and it's difficult to find information because of the "muh abortion" lobby.

Another issue is that a lot of 'discussions' equate miscarriages and stillbirths (a miscarriage at a stage of viability or loss of a child during labor) as 'spontaneous abortions' --which they aren't.

the textbook definition for miscarriage is "spontaneous abortion". https://www.merckmanuals.com/profes...normalities-of-pregnancy/spontaneous-abortion

You righttards never cease to amaze me with how fucking ignorant you are. 2 seconds of googling.