The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Most women who get abortions are in committed relationships.

I mean, that kind of follows as common sense, doesn't it? Many, if not most, women in committed relationships are having sex, so they are the ones most likely to get pregnant. However, that doesn't mean the woman isn't, say, sleeping around behind their spouse or partner, or engaging in serial monogamy. It doesn't make them less of a thot.

Also women have been slutting it up long before modern abortion and birth control methods.

True, but back in the day, doing that carried consequences. Also, birth control itself is ancient, as is abortion. For as long as we have lived on this Earth, mankind has been trying to find a way to have sex, and yet avoid responsibility for it. However, there is no getting around the fact that its easier to avoid the consequences now than ever before, so we are seeing far more out of wedlock pregnancies, single mother homes, and abortions, than at any other time in our history. The existence of easy birth control, along with the deterioration of sexual mores has caused mankind to get collectively sloppy.

Forced pregnancy and childbirth isn't justified punishment for those yucky sluts that make you so mad.

Unless you are talking about rape, no pregnancy is forced. If you have sex, getting pregnant is a known consequence of that. If you don't know that, you shouldn't be having sex, period, because you're probably too young for it anyway. If you have sex still knowing that, you are taking what we call a "calculated risk". Unless you are being raped, nobody is forcing you to open your legs and take a dick inside of you, and nobody is forcing that guy to thrust into you. Force doesn't enter into the equation. Pregnancy is a natural consequence of your actions which you either didn't take into account at your peril, or you did, and decided it was worth it. So no ones going to show you sympathy if your actions result in something that was easily foreseeable and avoidable.

Sure sudden parenthood can cause maturing, but more often than not it just results in a kid getting neglected or worse by someone incapable of properly caring for them.

All of those are possibilities, as are a million other things. We can't know what will happen because none of us can predict the future. And none of us should be deciding to end a human life based on what could possibly happen over the course of an entire life we can't even foresee. None of us are God, none of us can suddenly make a judgment that this child's life is destined to amount to nothing just because the circumstances of its birth are not ideal.

And like I said earlier, plenty of women who get abortions already have kids and choose abortion because they know they arent capable of caring for another one.

And that's their decision, one they will have to live with for the rest of their lives. But it is a decision, not an eventuality, and it still doesn't take away from the fact that they are murdering their child.

Lack of access to birth control actually increases rates of abortion btw. If you don't like abortion, you should be advocating universal access to birth control and comprehensive sex ed because those are the only things proven to reduce it.

I would rather have birth control than abortions. Which is why I don't oppose birth control completely. But as has already been said, no birth control is 100% safe, and people shouldn't rely on it. And I oppose universal access to birth control because birth control is a product, and should be paid for like all others. The state shouldn't subsidize things like that. If you need it, buy it. Many forms of it, like condoms, aren't that expensive, and its the choice of the people whether or not to use it, or whether or not they will even need it.

But, at the end of the day, if one wants to avoid pregnancy altogether, one can do one of two things: use forms of sex that don't lead to pregnancy (oral, anal, intercrural, etc.) or just abstain from it until you are absolutely okay with having a child. Seriously, just don't have sex. If you must get off, pull up some porn and wank. Everybody's doing that now, even women. People act like its impossible to just not have sex, but it really isn't. And if you choose to have sex and don't take the proper precautions, whatever happens afterward is on you.

 

[Android raptor]

I mean, that kind of follows as common sense, doesn't it? Many, if not most, women in committed relationships are having sex, so they are the ones most likely to get pregnant. However, that doesn't mean the woman isn't, say, sleeping around behind their spouse or partner, or engaging in serial monogamy. It doesn't make them less of a thot.


True, but back in the day, doing that carried consequences. Also, birth control itself is ancient, as is abortion. For as long as we have lived on this Earth, mankind has been trying to find a way to have sex, and yet avoid responsibility for it. However, there is no getting around the fact that its easier to avoid the consequences now than ever before, so we are seeing far more out of wedlock pregnancies, single mother homes, and abortions, than at any other time in our history. The existence of easy birth control, along with the deterioration of sexual mores has caused mankind to get collectively sloppy.


Unless you are talking about rape, no pregnancy is forced. If you have sex, getting pregnant is a known consequence of that. If you don't know that, you shouldn't be having sex, period, because you're probably too young for it anyway. If you have sex still knowing that, you are taking what we call a "calculated risk". Unless you are being raped, nobody is forcing you to open your legs and take a dick inside of you, and nobody is forcing that guy to thrust into you. Force doesn't enter into the equation. Pregnancy is a natural consequence of your actions which you either didn't take into account at your peril, or you did, and decided it was worth it. So no ones going to show you sympathy if your actions result in something that was easily foreseeable and avoidable.


All of those are possibilities, as are a million other things. We can't know what will happen because none of us can predict the future. And none of us should be deciding to end a human life based on what could possibly happen over the course of an entire life we can't even foresee. None of us are God, none of us can suddenly make a judgment that this child's life is destined to amount to nothing just because the circumstances of its birth are not ideal.


And that's their decision, one they will have to live with for the rest of their lives. But it is a decision, not an eventuality, and it still doesn't take away from the fact that they are murdering their child.


I would rather have birth control than abortions. Which is why I don't oppose birth control completely. But as has already been said, no birth control is 100% safe, and people shouldn't rely on it. And I oppose universal access to birth control because birth control is a product, and should be paid for like all others. The state shouldn't subsidize things like that. If you need it, buy it. Many forms of it, like condoms, aren't that expensive, and its the choice of the people whether or not to use it, or whether or not they will even need it.

But, at the end of the day, if one wants to avoid pregnancy altogether, one can do one of two things: use forms of sex that don't lead to pregnancy (oral, anal, intercrural, etc.) or just abstain from it until you are absolutely okay with having a child. Seriously, just don't have sex. If you must get off, pull up some porn and wank. Everybody's doing that now, even women. People act like its impossible to just not have sex, but it really isn't. And if you choose to have sex and don't take the proper precautions, whatever happens afterward is on you.

So I take it you don't have sex unless you plan on pregnancy happening? Pregnancy that you can somehow guarentee won't go tits up and need to be aborted?

Telling people to stop fucking has never in the history of humanity worked. Interesting you think sexual mores are deteriorated now though instead of, say, when kiddie diddling and child marriage was legal and girls were forced to marry men old enough to be their fathers or grandfathers on the regular. Weird how marrying children isn't deterioration, but somehow single mothers are (even though being a single mother implies not getting an abortion).

Shit, spousal rape was legal until pretty recently in history. I'd say raping your spouse and it being perfectly legal is something that deserved to deteriorate.

Again, if you view a kid as a consequence, never have any. Interesting how forced pregnancy and childbirth is always the consequence of having sex, but never having to pay for an abortion "no consequences". That shit ain't exactly cheap, and the more conservative the area you live, the harder it is to get one. But nope, kids are the only thing that's a consequence. Wonder why

Yeeting an embryo is not murdering a child, though infanticide is actually something you see more of when people can't access birth control or safe abortion. Shit, prior to modern medicine it was one of the go to ways for dealing with unwanted pregnancies if the abortion methods at the time didn't work. And you still see it happen in areas that lack access to comprehensive sex ed, birth control, and safe, legal abortion. Abortion isn't child murder and ironically enough, actually prevents it.

When you get a fetus in your body, you can do what you want with it. I just know any that end up in mine will be yeeted asap and that's by far the best choice for everyone involved.

Btw, women in committed relationships can get pregnant without cheating. Shocker, I know. As others have discussed, birth control isnt 100% either

I guess married women who don't want kids or don't want any more can't have sex, heaven forbid they get pregnant and murder a brainless, microscopic cocktail shrimp. Bet that will go over great with their husbands

Anyway on the subject of how to deal with unwanted babies you were forced to have because you couldnt abort them as embryos, I'll always be partial to putting them in a blender because ITS AWWWWWRIGGGGHT!!!, though it would legitimately also be a great way to make a dead baby unidentifiable as such. Just blend the unwanted crotch dropping til it looks like ground beef, then take the ground baby out to the woods and toss it around to be scavenged by animals. Or make burgers with it. Idk, personally I wouldn't because babies are gross and I'd rather not eat something mixed with baby shit/piss/puke. Though making dead baby burgers and feeding them to prolifers could be fun (though given how few fucks they give once it stops being a fetus there's a good chance they wouldn't give a fuck if they learned they were eating ground dead baby).

But yeah those teens that tried burying their unwanted baby in snow and then shooting it when it would STFU and taking no further action are dumb AF, at least chop that shit up and scatter it deeper into the woods or feed it to pigs or something. Disposing of a dead baby should be way less difficult than disposing of a whole-ass dead person so there's no excuse.

Shit, if you know some war reenactors shove that shit in a cannon and light it off. Yeah someone would hear it, but damn if it wouldn't be a fun way to get rid of an unwanted baby.

 

[Lemmingwise]

They are ''ProLIE''.

Like that time you ridiculed a guy for believing an urban legend that turned out to be true and proven on court and you didn't have the decency to admit fault?

Who exactly is pro lie here? lmao.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

Am I too late to suggest that most of the spergs in these kinds of threads should have been aborted?

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

So I take it you don't have sex unless you plan on pregnancy happening?

As in "I only plan on having sex when its with a person I'm willing to risk getting pregnant?" Why yes. That is my plan. That's literally how people generally operated throughout history. And when they wanted to not care about the risk, they slept with people who they knew wouldn't give them trouble if they did get pregnant, like prostitutes. I don't really want to frequent prostitutes, but that's just me; maybe you have nothing against it. And, I mean, if potentially getting someone pregnant (or getting pregnant, if you're a woman) is a risk you are willing to take, I can't stop you nor will I try to. Its your decision on whether or not to roll the dice. A few sane precautions will push the odds vastly in your favor. But if even those precautions don't put your mind at ease, you just shouldn't have sex. Wait until you are in long term committed relationship (I'd suggest marriage, or at least after engagement), and then you can have all the guilt free sex you (and your partner) want.

Telling people to stop fucking has never in the history of humanity worked.

Telling people to stop killing each other has never worked in the history of mankind. That point is hardly relevant to the issue at hand. The point is, its possible to go through life never having sex. Its not impossible. Its also possible not to literally open you snatch or whip your dick out at the nearest opportunity. Its called self-control.

Again, if you view a kid as a consequence, never have any

I mean, its not a view, its reality. Pregnancy is a consequence of sex and abortion doesn't change that. Or do I need to explain cause and effect?

Yeeting an embryo is not murdering a child, though infanticide is actually something you see more of when people can't access birth control or safe abortion. Shit, prior to modern medicine it was one of the go to ways for dealing with unwanted pregnancies.

Wrong. That embryo is no less alive than an infant and killing it is no less murder. There are only three types of things in this universe: Living thing, non-living things, and dead things. Non-living things, as far as science has been able to study, can never be alive. Your clock can't come to life like a Disney character. Living things have certain qualities that determine that they are alive: they have to grow, be capable of movement, eat, reproduce, respond to stimuli, breath, and excrete waste. That is the literal scientific definition of life. Fetuses meet all of those requirements. They can't immediately reproduce, but neither can infants or young children, but, if fetuses, infants and children are allowed to grow up, they will eventually become capable of sexual reproduction. A fetus that isn't alive, is dead, which results either in a miscarriage or a stillbirth, depending on how far along the mother is. Ask yourself a simple question: if the fetus isn't a living human being, at one put does it become one? When it takes a breath? When its entire body is out of the birth canal? When its head pokes out? There is no way to logically separate the fetus from the newborn because the only difference between a late stage fetus and a newborn is that one is outside of the mother's body and the other is not, which is why babies can be born premature and yet still grow up healthy. If you believe that infanticide is wrong, there is no logical way to justify abortion. Unless you want to argue that infanticide is a-okay?

When you get a fetus in your body, you can do what you want with it.

Only because the laws currently allow you to do so, and that can change at any time. Doesn't make you killing your child any less morally reprehensible.

I just know any that end up in mine will be yeeted asap and that's by far the best choice for everyone involved.

Really? You ask your baby its opinion before you kill it?

Btw, women in committed relationships can get pregnant without cheating. Shocker, I know. As others have discussed, birth control isnt 100% either

Your point?

I guess married women who don't want kids or don't want any more can't have sex, heaven forbid they get pregnant and murder a brainless, microscopic cocktail shrimp. Bet that will go over great with their husbands

Or they can use birth control. Or they can get their tubes tied after having their last child to fix that problem right up. Or their husband can go under the knife to ensure his wife never gets pregnant. Plenty of other options that people can avail themselves of to make this a non-issue. Or they can just have the kid. And don't even bring father's into this like they have a say in whether or not they can have their kids. We both know that they don't.

 

[Android raptor]

As in "I only plan on having sex when its with a person I'm willing to risk getting pregnant?" Why yes. That is my plan. That's literally how people generally operated throughout history. And when they wanted to not care about the risk, they slept with people who they knew wouldn't give them trouble if they did get pregnant, like prostitutes. I don't really want to frequent prostitutes, but that's just me; maybe you have nothing against it. And, I mean, if potentially getting someone pregnant (or getting pregnant, if you're a woman) is a risk you are willing to take, I can't stop you nor will I try to. Its your decision on whether or not to roll the dice. A few sane precautions will push the odds vastly in your favor. But if even those precautions don't put your mind at ease, you just shouldn't have sex. Wait until you are in long term committed relationship (I'd suggest marriage, or at least after engagement), and then you can have all the guilt free sex you (and your partner) want.


Telling people to stop killing each other has never worked in the history of mankind. That point is hardly relevant to the issue at hand. The point is, its possible to go through life never having sex. Its not impossible. Its also possible not to literally open you snatch or whip your dick out at the nearest opportunity. Its called self-control.


I mean, its not a view, its reality. Pregnancy is a consequence of sex and abortion doesn't change that. Or do I need to explain cause and effect?


Wrong. That embryo is no less alive than an infant and killing it is no less murder. There are only three types of things in this universe: Living thing, non-living things, and dead things. Non-living things, as far as science has been able to study, can never be alive. Your clock can't come to life like a Disney character. Living things have certain qualities that determine that they are alive: they have to grow, be capable of movement, eat, reproduce, respond to stimuli, breath, and excrete waste. That is the literal scientific definition of life. Fetuses meet all of those requirements. They can't immediately reproduce, but neither can infants or young children, but, if fetuses, infants and children are allowed to grow up, they will eventually become capable of sexual reproduction. A fetus that isn't alive, is dead, which results either in a miscarriage or a stillbirth, depending on how far along the mother is. Ask yourself a simple question: if the fetus isn't a living human being, at one put does it become one? When it takes a breath? When its entire body is out of the birth canal? When its head pokes out? There is no way to logically separate the fetus from the newborn because the only difference between a late stage fetus and a newborn is that one is outside of the mother's body and the other is not, which is why babies can be born premature and yet still grow up healthy. If you believe that infanticide is wrong, there is no logical way to justify abortion. Unless you want to argue that infanticide is a-okay?


Only because the laws currently allow you to do so, and that can change at any time. Doesn't make you killing your child any less morally reprehensible.


Really? You ask your baby its opinion before you kill it?


Your point?


Or they can use birth control. Or they can get their tubes tied after having their last child to fix that problem right up. Or their husband can go under the knife to ensure his wife never gets pregnant. Plenty of other options that people can avail themselves of to make this a non-issue. Or they can just have the kid. And don't even bring father's into this like they have a say in whether or not they can have their kids. We both know that they don't.

Lol I wished I lived in the weird bizarro universe prolifers live in were any woman can easily get their tubes tied or even a hysterectomy. Must be a nice place.

Embryos are alive (unless they die lol), but so are everything from sponges to tapeworms. Being alive isn't special, and it certainly doesnt let something use the body of an actual person without consent. Shit, women and girls are alive too but for some reason they're expected to just suck it up and be incubators by prolifers.

And yeah yeeting an embryo would be far more pleasant for it than anything my crazy ass would do to an actual baby I had to care for. Unless theres a baby out there that likes getting its skull crushed or some shit.

If you want to live in a country where women and girls can't safely and legally have abortions, move to Malta or El Salvador or Yemen or some shit.

 

[Lemmingwise]

they slept with people who they knew wouldn't give them trouble if they did get pregnant, like prostitutes. I don't really want to frequent prostitutes, but that's just me; maybe you have nothing against it.

Kinsey hugely oversampled prostitutes for his book "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" in 1953.

Unwed prostitutes living with their pimp were then categorized under low income married people. This was then used among other things to show that back alley abortions were frequent.

This then was used in Roe v. Wade for the argument that abortions among average americans were already common (and dangerous) to argue for the state sanctioned version of it.

I recognize that there are people in this thread who are unambivalently rejoicing the lies that this legislation is built on. These are the people giving reach arounds to each other and trying to frame their opposition as being in favor of lies.

 

[Android raptor]

Kinsey hugely oversampled prostitutes for his book "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" in 1953.

Unwed prostitutes living with their pimp were then categorized under low income married people. This was then used among other things to show that back alley abortions were frequent.

This then was used in Roe v. Wade for the argument that abortions among average americans were already common (and dangerous) to argue for the state sanctioned version of it.

I recognize that there are people in this thread who are unambivalently rejoicing the lies that this legislation is built on. These are the people giving reach arounds to each other and trying to frame their opposition as being in favor of lies.

Women who were decently off back when would pay doctors for abortions off the books. Even now, countries that ban abortion don't have lower rates than countries that allow it.

In the US, abortion is legal. If you don't like that, there are plenty of other countries to move to.

Anyway another thread made me realize you could probably feed an unwanted baby to a big enough constrictor. Newborns are what, roughly the size of a rabbit? Though you might have to scent it with the snakes usual prey first.

For a patriotic way to get ride of an unwanted baby you could do a variation on what shithead kids do with frogs and firecrackers and shove some kind of fun explody shit in its mouth or up its ass and light the fuse. Or feed it tannerite and shoot it idk. Murukah

 

[Lemmingwise]

Lol I wished I lived in the weird bizarro universe prolifers live in were any woman can easily get their tubes tied or even a hysterectomy. Must be a nice place.

The Netherlands is an okay place. 1000-2000 Euros.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Lol I wished I lived in the weird bizarro universe prolifers live in were any woman can easily get their tubes tied or even a hysterectomy. Must be a nice place.

I never said these things were easy. Just that they were options. And plenty of women do get their tubes tied (I in fact know quite a few). I'm trying to figure out what bizarro universe you live in where murdering your child is better and easier than a relatively guilt free medical procedure.

Embryos are alive (unless they die lol), but so are everything from sponges to tapeworms. Being alive isn't special,

So your argument is that you literally place no value on human life whatsoever. At this point, you might as well argue that all forms of murder, up to and including genocide, should be legally and morally acceptable.

it certainly doesnt let something use the body of an actual person without consent.

Jesus Christ, consent has nothing to do with this. The baby didn't ask to be born. If Momma get knocked up, that's momma's fault. This isn't some invading organism, this is a a BABY. It can only get there one way, and that's if mom and dad get together and put it there.

Shit, women and girls are alive too but for some reason they're expected to just suck it up and be incubators by prolifers.

Is it really so much to ask that females take responsibility for their actions? I always though that whole "All I do is write a man, and then take away reason and accountability" joke was just a really good joke, but I guess some people really just want to live down to that stereotype.

And yeah yeeting an embryo would be far more pleasant for it than anything my crazy ass would do to an actual baby I had to care for. Unless theres a baby out there that likes getting its skull crushed or some shit.

Well at least your honest. I would like to hope you have a enough common sense to avoid putting yourself in that situation, but we all know on the Farms that common sense ain't common.

If you want to live in a country where women and girls can't safely and legally have abortions, move to Malta or El Salvador or Yemen or some shit.

Or, I could just turn my country into a country like that. Funny you should mention countries like Malta. Malta isn't having a runaway baby boom despite its limits on abortion. Almost like people are capable of self-control when push comes to shove. Imagine that.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Women who were decently off back when would pay doctors for abortions off the books. Even now, countries that ban abortion don't have lower rates than countries that allow it.

How could you be sure if it's off the books? This typically comes from studies with poor controls for sampling (anything kinsey institute is suspect for reasons above, but I could go into it further) or from studies that "estimate" the amount of off-books abortions.

Where estimate is another word for "made up".

But if you have a good study showing this, I'd love to read and learn.

I think we've been through this before like 20 pages ago. It seems new information bounces off you like fetuses out of your womb.

Are you really that intellectually uncurious and ideologically driven? Do you never ask yourself: when birth rates are so wildly different between certain countries, why would abortion rates be identical?

Anyway another thread made me realize you could probably feed an unwanted baby to a big enough constrictor. Newborns are what, roughly the size of a rabbit? Though you might have to scent it with the snakes usual prey first.

For a patriotic way to get ride of an unwanted baby you could do a variation on what shithead kids do with frogs and firecrackers and shove some kind of fun explody shit in its mouth or up its ass and light the fuse. Or feed it tannerite and shoot it idk. Murukah

Now that's podracing. Very edgy.

 

[Android raptor]

The Netherlands is an okay place. 1000-2000 Euros.

Yeah but do doctors actually agree to it solely because a woman wants it? Because in the US tons of doctors refuse to do it even if you have the cash unless you are middled aged, have 3 (or more) kids, husbands permission (even if you aren't married) and a bunch of other retarded shit. Sure there are some now that are more lenient, but if none are in your area or they don't take your insurance you're fucked. Or if you're an uninsured poorfag like I am that doesn't have thousands of dollars, let alone thousands of dollar that can be used for healthcare.

I want a hysto because fuck periods (especially when you're crazy) and with that even if you have tons of shitty medical conditions it's almost or completely impossible. Friend of mine with a clusterfuck of health problems did manage to get one, but only after being turned down by like 4 other doctors because she was 29 and had no kids. This is an upper middle class women who had good (by burgerland standards) healthcare as well.

Like I don't even have sex with dudes but pregnancy is that terrifying and disgusting to me and I live in the bible belt. My uterus does nothing of value to me and never will, so I see no point in keeping it when it's just ab unpleasant liability.

I do have an IUD though, which is gr8 especially in regards to no more periods and a lot less risk of pregnancy if I were to get raped, but it's not 100% unlike just removing the damn thing.

I have a lot of straight and bi female friends though, and while they all use at least 1 form of protection I still worry for them.

Or, I could just turn my country into a country like that. Funny you should mention countries like Malta. Malta isn't having a runaway baby boom despite its limits on abortion. Almost like people are capable of self-control when push comes to shove. Imagine that.

Probably because they're too busy forcing children who've been raped to gestate chomo spawn and shit like that. Plus as indicated by my edgyposting, there are plenty of ways to make an unwanted baby disappear. Though it looks like they still have one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in Europe.

Malta is an island nation, right? Chop up the baby and use it to chum the water for sharks. No more baby and you get to see sharks, which is cool.

oh hey, abortion facts from amnesty international, cool. Apparent 1 in 4 pregnancies worldwide ends in abortion.

Also there's Women on the Web, an organization that provides abortion pills to women living in areas where abortion is criminalized. I'd imagine it's not something everyone woman or girl has access to, but it's definitely better than nothing. If I had the cash I'd make a donation in honor of A&H

 

[Lemmingwise]

Yeah but do doctors actually agree to it solely because a woman wants it

Yes. Though 6% of women end up regretting it in the Netherlands, typically because they find a new partner with whom they wish to have a child.

(Compared to about 16% of women who report at least some regret by a 2020 California study, which I have not yet read in detail with n= 670).

I want a hysto because fuck periods (especially when you're crazy) and with that even if you have tons of shitty medical conditions it's almost or completely impossible. Friend of mine with a clusterfuck of health problems did manage to get one, but only after being turned down by like 4 other doctors because she was 29 and had no kids. This is an upper middle class women who had good (by burgerland standards) healthcare as well

Considering you advocated people who want to live in a country with abortion laws to their liking does this mean you'll now move out of the US because culturally the US's stance on hysto's differs from your own? Or do you just dish out advice without taking your own?

Like I don't even have sex with dudes but pregnancy is that terrifying and disgusting to me and I live in the bible belt. My uterus does nothing of value to me and never will, so I see no point in keeping it when it's just ab unpleasant liability.

Do you live in like rape central or something? How would pregnancy be terrifying if you never have sed with guys? Or is this one of those "teehee I don't have sex with guys except for the days I do" deal? I'm legit confused to have such existential terror, but don't want to dismiss it out of hand on the off chance that you do live in a somalian city or something.

Probably because they're too busy forcing children who've been raped to gestate chomo spawn and shit like that. Plus as indicated by my edgyposting, there are plenty of ways to make an unwanted baby disappear. Though it looks like they still have one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in Europe.

Malta is an island nation, right? Chop up the baby and use it to chum the water for sharks. No more baby and you get to see sharks, which is cool.

oh hey, abortion facts from amnesty international, cool. Apparent 1 in 4 pregnancies worldwide ends in abortion.

Also there's Women on the Web, an organization that provides abortion pills to women living in areas where abortion is criminalized. I'd imagine it's not something everyone woman or girl has access to, but it's definitely better than nothing. If I had the cash I'd make a donation in honor of A&H

I'm not sure the pro-choicers are or should be happy about you saying that abortion and child murder are both kinda the same and should be regarded equally amorally.

 

[Android raptor]

Yes. Though 6% of women end up regretting it in the Netherlands, typically because they find a new partner with whom they wish to have a child.

(Compared to about 16% of women who report at least some regret by a 2020 California study, which I have not yet read in detail with n= 670).



Considering you advocated people who want to live in a country with abortion laws to their liking does this mean you'll now move out of the US because culturally the US's stance on hysto's differs from your own? Or do you just dish out advice without taking your own?



Do you live in like rape central or something? How would pregnancy be terrifying if you never have sed with guys? Or is this one of those "teehee I don't have sex with guys except for the days I do" deal? I'm legit confused to have such existential terror, but don't want to dismiss it out of hand on the off chance that you do live in a somalian city or something.

Rape happens a decent bit, yeah. I've known a fair amount of people who've been raped. Law enforcement doesn't always take it seriously because bible belt.

I can assure you, I'm not fucking dudes. Though many of my friends are which makes me worried for them.

If I had the money to leave the country I probably already would've by now. Not a fan of the climate either. But again, poorfag.

Though if someone else gives me the money for it shit I'm gone.

I'm not sure the pro-choicers are or should be happy about you saying that abortion and child murder are both kinda the same and should be regarded equally amorally.

They aren't the same at all, but child murder is an inevitable consequence of lack of access to contraception and abortion. People can't just magically generate the resources to care for unwanted kids.

Inspired by the new Empathic Nutritionist thread, while it would take a while and wouldn't be very fun, you could also get rid of an unwanted baby by having a woo homebirth and giving it severe, irreversible brain damage. Only instead of doctor shopping until you find one willing to prolong the existence of the wretched thing actually take the advice of most of them and provide only palliative care as it is killed by its freaky, fluid filled skull. Or try throwing it at someone or something to see if it will pop like a water balloon. The advantage of this method is you are unlikely to face legal consequences because for some reason giving your kids terminal brain damage from a woo homebirth isnt something CPS gives a fuck about.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Rape happens a decent bit, yeah. I've known a fair amount of people who've been raped. Law enforcement doesn't always take it seriously because bible belt.

I can assure you, I'm not fucking dudes. Though many of my friends are which makes me worried for them.

If I had the money to leave the country I probably already would've by now. Not a fan of the climate either. But again, poorfag.

Though if someone else gives me the money for it shit I'm gone.

They aren't the same at all, but child murder is an inevitable consequence of lack of access to contraception and abortion. People can't just magically generate the resources to care for unwanted kids.

Inspired by the new Empathic Nutritionist thread, while it would take a while and wouldn't be very fun, you could also get rid of an unwanted baby by having a woo homebirth and giving it severe, irreversible brain damage. Only instead of doctor shopping until you find one willing to prolong the existence of the wretched thing actually take the advice of most of them and provide only palliative care as it is killed by its freaky, fluid filled skull. Or try throwing it at someone or something to see if it will pop like a water balloon. The advantage of this method is you are unlikely to face legal consequences because for some reason giving your kids terminal brain damage from a woo homebirth isnt something CPS gives a fuck about.

If only you put the same creativity into increasing your income or taking care of the kid as you do in thinking up ways to kill them. Jesus Christ.

I thought you were engaging in juvenile attempts to shock, but I realize now this is your natural thought process. Thank god you don't breed.

 

[Android raptor]

If only you put the same creativity into increasing your income or taking care of the kid as you do in thinking up ways to kill them. Jesus Christ.

I thought you were engaging in juvenile attempts to shock, but I realize now this is your natural thought process. Thank god you don't breed.

If I was capable of caring for a kid why would I be thinking up edgy and creative ways to kill it?

In all seriousness and edgy shit aside, I've known since i was pretty young that I'm not someone that would ever be capable of properly caring for a kid. That's why I'm so loud and proud about access to birth control and safe abortion for all because it's not fair to a damn kid to be born into a situation it isn't wanted and won't be properly cared for. Yeeting an embryo is much kinder than a whole-ass kid being neglected or abused and I can assure you tons of people who were neglected and abused would've preferred to have been yeeted as tiny, unaware specks.

Some people just aren't capable of caring for kids, and I'm one of them. Forcing someone like me to carry out an unwanted pregnancy best case scenario would just create another fucked up, traumatized crazy person and I refuse to let that happen.

Back on fun edgy shit, related to the last method and inspired by Tard Baby General, it again would be a lot of work and isnt guaranteed to succeed but you can try to give yourself a folic acid deficiency while pregnant to increase the chance you'll get an brainless anencephaly fetus. Not only is it guaranteed to die shortly after birth (if it's even born live at all), because it doesn't have a brain it's not capable of crying or doing other annoying shit babies do, plus you can use it to grift prolifers. They will happy part with cash if you have a frog baby and say some shit about jesus or something. You could also use said frog baby as a cup holder, or poke it's brain stem in the gaping hole it has instead of a skullcap and see what happens. Perhaps even hide surprises inside it's empty head for your friends and family underneath the obligatory hat.

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

Yes. Though 6% of women end up regretting it in the Netherlands, typically because they find a new partner with whom they wish to have a child.

(Compared to about 16% of women who report at least some regret by a 2020 California study, which I have not yet read in detail with n= 670).



Considering you advocated people who want to live in a country with abortion laws to their liking does this mean you'll now move out of the US because culturally the US's stance on hysto's differs from your own? Or do you just dish out advice without taking your own?



Do you live in like rape central or something? How would pregnancy be terrifying if you never have sed with guys? Or is this one of those "teehee I don't have sex with guys except for the days I do" deal? I'm legit confused to have such existential terror, but don't want to dismiss it out of hand on the off chance that you do live in a somalian city or something.

tfw you live in the Bible Belt of Somalia.

 

[Android raptor]

tfw you live in the Bible Belt of Somalia.

At least Somalia is a desert with dry heat. Southeast has that humidity that makes it feel like you're living inside of Satan's rectum for 6+ months of the year.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Yeah but do doctors actually agree to it solely because a woman wants it? Because in the US tons of doctors refuse to do it even if you have the cash unless you are middled aged, have 3 (or more) kids, husbands permission (even if you aren't married) and a bunch of other retarded shit.

Completely reasonable when you remember the fact that the effect is permanent and can't be undone. Its rare for a young, completely healthy woman to resort to something like that unless there are extenuating circumstances. I mean, unless you're planning on doing something stupid, like being a pornstar that specializes in creampies, its largely unnecessary. Costs are an issue yes, but once again, there are plenty of things you can do to make such a drastic action unnecessary, as long as you are smart. And they don't require money.

Like I don't even have sex with dudes but pregnancy is that terrifying and disgusting to me and I live in the bible belt. My uterus does nothing of value to me and never will, so I see no point in keeping it when it's just ab unpleasant liability.

Sounds like you're a lesbian, so your chances of getting pregnant are actually practically nonexistent. And pregnancy is a natural part of life. Nothing to be terrified or disgusted about.

I have a lot of straight and bi female friends though, and while they all use at least 1 form of protection I still worry for them.

Don't worry too much. As long as their being intelligent, they should avoid getting pregnant. Now, if you know they aren't smart or safe about sex and sleep around a lot, then you should worry.

Rape happens a decent bit, yeah. I've known a fair amount of people who've been raped. Law enforcement doesn't always take it seriously because bible belt.

I too know women who've been raped. But if you life in the same Bible Belt I do, its not really an epidemic. Truth is, very, very few abortions are carried out due to rape specifically. Chances are extremely low that you or any woman you know will have to have an abortion especially for that purpose.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Like that time you ridiculed a guy for believing an urban legend that turned out to be true and proven on court and you didn't have the decency to admit fault?

Who exactly is pro lie here? lmao.

If impregnating yourself with a turkey baster with sperm several days old was that easy then why do women spend thousands on IUI or IVF treatments? You tell me.