The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Yes it was. Life begins at conception. You support ending that life. Wilfully ending human life is called murder.

Can you pro-abortionists try to not sound like Kino Roberto for 5 seconds?
Willfully forcing someone to go through with taking care of something they couldn't is ignorant at best, irresponsible at worst.

Can you explain how any of this is a good idea? It's like if you gave a kid a puppy they didn't want but also that kid has to pay for everything that puppy needs and the parents are like "lol pick urself up by the bootstraps". It's dumb.

Can you stop comparing anyone that wants to actually prevent terrible things from happening to eugenicists, Nazis, and generally bad people? You guys never think of the outcome, just that it, for some crazy reason, needs to happen because it started. Guess nuclear meltdowns should've just kept going because, hey, it started, why stop it?

Send studies or shove it. You haven't proved anything right other than an appeal to retardation.
 
So precious you're ok with the poverty and depression and a slew of other things that come with unwanted pregnancies. So precious.

> "Noooooo, you can't be against murder unless you've first solved all problems faced by the living!"

Some variation of this galaxy-brained deflection from the issue gets parroted in every single abortion discussion ever, and the people posting it always seem to think that it's a genius knock-out argument.
 
A study for what?

I just want you to answer this question:
Is an organism which performs the seven processes of life, is a member of the species Homo sapiens and has different DNA from both its mother and father a human being? If not, why?
Why killing another "human", as you put it, is bad. Studies separate these by fetus and human though, so you're going to have to take that into account.

You could, however, look at other studies of what happens to unwanted pregnancies and their outcomes. Because you're too afraid to google, I'll do it for you.

While the focus of this section and this work is not to debate whether personhood of non-humans is reasonable, we explore the faulty reasoning of the suggestion and expand on the negative implications that would ensue if a similar genetic code was sufficient criterion for personhood.
This is a study from 2017, so it's not outdated. Everyone has their own definition, no one wins. Why does your definition have to affect mine, though? There are also explained definitions that some give as any living thing should also have human rights. Is their definition better than yours? Why or why not? You cannot win, as will no one. My definition does not affect yours because I'm not going to be forcing you to harbor something you don't want. Yours affects mine in a way that does not benefit anyone.

- https://www.bmj.com/content/331/7528/1303.short
The abortion group had a significantly higher mean education and income and lower total family size, all of which were associated with a lower risk of depression. ... The observed association of abortion with education and income—social variables that have profound implications for mental health—is consistent with the literature on the negative effects of early and unwanted childbearing.1
If you're uneducated you're more likely. So that's promoting generally poorer populations to have kids because of the weird lies and forced attachment to something you can't even see, not a great start.

-https://search.proquest.com/openview/7665b37e6f41a7d7c416cd211e4e3e9e/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=35753
More mental health issues. Gotta keep more mentally ill people coming because their life is going to be so precious! They're gonna love it!

- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1049386715001589
Although induced abortion has indeed been shown to be safer than childbirth with respect to risk of death (Raymond & Grimes, 2012), the literature also documents that the extremely low risk of mortality associated with abortion increases gradually with each week of gestation (Bartlett et al., 2004).
A woman is more likely to die pushing that unwanted fucker out instead of yeeting it early. Baby-makers are natural at having babies though and abortion UNNATURAL AND BAD! Clearly one is better because it's happened for a really long time! Stupid women when will you just learnnnnn.

- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022347618312976

Results​

From 6 months to 4.5 years after their mothers sought abortions, existing children of women denied abortions had lower mean child development scores (adjusted β −0.04, 95% CI −0.07 to −0.00) and were more likely to live below the Federal Poverty Level (aOR 3.74, 95% CI 1.59-8.79) than the children of women who received a wanted abortion. There were no significant differences in child health or time spent with a caregiver other than the mother.
We have to keep women and their kids poor and stupid! How else will we have cheap labor to exploit! They just need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps, stupid kids, they clearly chose this to happen.

You're welcome.

And these are just the articles that I don't have to log into university shit for because lord knows none of you guys are in/went to one so you can't get access to information that you are so proud of denying others of.

> "Noooooo, you can't be against murder unless you've first solved all problems faced by the living!"

Some variation of this galaxy-brained deflection from the issue gets parroted in every single abortion discussion ever, and the people posting it always seem to think that it's a genius knock-out argument.
You're right, because the genius knock-out argument of "have babby because you opened your legs and it's human so that's MURDER" is good enough. What life are you even taking? Trees are alive, stop murdering them for paper uwu. You're fucking stupid to think I'm dumb enough to think all world problems can be remedied.

Please tell me how ruining 2 lives is so forgiving and benevolent for everyone involved. I'm into schadenfreude but that's full-retard.

ETA for retards: moved a paragraph up because it was in the wrong place. What a spin!
 
you're too fucking stupid to argue with at this point.
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The irony is pretty much your idea of "protecting life" is refuted in those studies.

Pray tell, what's your education level?
Your argument is that my definition of a human being infringes on your right to kill that human being. This is like a pro-slavery activist saying that abolitionists calling blacks humans infringes on his right to own property.
 
Your argument is that my definition of a human being infringes on your right to kill that human being. This is like a pro-slavery activist saying that abolitionists calling blacks humans infringes on his right to own property.
I... what?? And lots of parents treat their kids like property (ie: shit) because it came out of them, and that any of the child's things, that were given to them, are not theirs because they didn't buy it. Even if the kid did buy it themselves, shit parents will just take it anyway because they're "under my roof I paid for, clothed and fed you, etc".

There's child slavery in the world right now. Black slavery is practically abolished with racist people upset they're not better than some fucking random black person. What are you gonna do about it?

Shortened: Show me studies, you keep talking out of your ass and making comparisons to make me, and others that agree to a degree, look like a nazi/racist/something fucking stupid because you keep reaching so hard you're gonna be a human stretch armstrong soon.
 
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And lots of parents treat their kids like property (ie: shit) because it came out of them, and that any of the child's things, that were given to them, are not theirs because they didn't buy it. Even if the kid did buy it themselves, shit parents will just take it anyway because they're "under my roof I paid for, clothed and fed you, etc".
Does that make murder okay?
 
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Damn prolifers love their Godwin as much as twitter blue checks.

Your argument is that my definition of a human being infringes on your right to kill that human being. This is like a pro-slavery activist saying that abolitionists calling blacks humans infringes on his right to own property.
Last I checked slaves weren't inside the bodies of other people who didn't want them there.

Wild how prolifers will go on about how every life is precious blah blah blah but when it comes to women and girls who died horribly from childbirth or illegal abortions, you get crickets chirping. Were their lives precious too, or just the lives of the fetuses inside them?

Apparently around 68,000 women die worldwide from illegal abortions each year. If all lives are precious, then theirs should be as well.
 
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I, however, will do what I want with my own body and whatever is inside me.
In that case, I should have the right to punch you in the face because my hands are part of my body and I have the right to do what I want with it.
Damn prolifers love their Godwin as much as twitter blue checks.
It's not surprising when you realise that abortion and eugenics have often gone hand in hand.
 
In that case, I should have the right to punch you in the face because my hands are part of my body and I have the right to do what I want with it.

It's not surprising when you realise that abortion and eugenics have often gone hand in hand.
Bruh, I was saying LEGALLY, as in the law allows it. Law doesn't allow you to be a faggot because you don't agree with me and hit me.

Those cases are also self-defense (iffy about war but war is fucking stupid). You're not defending yourself from anything when you go full retard on someone proving you wrong.4

Damn prolifers love their Godwin as much as twitter blue checks.


Last I checked slaves weren't inside the bodies of other people who didn't want them there.

Wild how prolifers will go on about how every life is precious blah blah blah but when it comes to women and girls who died horribly from childbirth or illegal abortions, you get crickets chirping. Were their lives precious too, or just the lives of the fetuses inside them?

Apparently around 68,000 women die worldwide from illegal abortions each year. If all lives are precious, then theirs should be as well.
No, no, it's okay. Women are sub-human. Fetuses have done *nothing* wrong so they're precious, but women decided to be uppity and have a life so they deserve the cage of parenthood. I should know, I'm a man and I know everything, don't believe those liberal college LIES. I'm only trying to help humans I pwomise uwu.

Education? It goes past high school? Learning actual things about biology and it doesn't agree with me? That's devil-speak.

Fuck me I'm a faggot for double-posting again (:_(, merged
 
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Those cases are also self-defense
Because, as we all know, unborn babies are so threatening that they have to be killed in self-defence.

Why do I have a feeling you were the sort of person who attacked Kenosha Kyle last summer?
No, no, it's okay. Women are sub-human. Fetuses have done *nothing* wrong so they're precious, but women decided to be uppity and have a life so they deserve the cage of parenthood. I should know, I'm a man and I know everything, don't believe those liberal college LIES. I'm only trying to help humans I pwomise uwu.

Education? It goes past high school? Learning actual things about biology and it doesn't agree with me? That's devil-speak.

Fuck me I'm a faggot for double-posting again.
This is called a strawman. Don't do it.
I'm a faggot
Yay, you got something right!
 
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