The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Lemmingwise said:
I don't think "your parents thought and acted like you were a mistake" is very treatable, to be honest, and I do say that with the deepest of empathy. I've known three people like that, two from a young age. I honestly wish, but am not sure it's something that one can really recover from. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

I can definitely see the desire and wish to prevent that from happening.
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What I'm angry about here is that Android Raptor was acting like because of her mental illness, if she had a kids and then killed them then it wouldn't be her fault.
 
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Lemmingwise said:
I don't think "your parents thought and acted like you were a mistake" is very treatable, to be honest, and I do say that with the deepest of empathy.
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That's not the only way that it can develop. Abuse and trauma can get you there as well and it's not necessarily from the parents.

The prognosis isn't good, but I can assure you that I know at least one person who managed to climb out of it. It was a long road and she went through hell but she made it.
 
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Expurgate Contradictions said:
That's not the only way that it can develop. Abuse and trauma can get you there as well and it's not necessarily from the parents.

The prognosis isn't good, but I can assure you that I know at least one person who managed to climb out of it. It was a long road and she went through hell but she made it.
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Well there's a sign of hope.
 
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Nom Carver said:
What I'm angry about here is that Android Raptor was acting like because of her mental illness, if she had a kids and then killed them then it wouldn't be her fault.
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I don't think I ever said it wouldn't be my fault if I made dead baby soup or put a baby in a blender or whatever. I said that because I could see that happening that's why I prevent it from happening by choosing not to have kids.

Though I personally think Rusty Yates also shares blame in the Andrea Yates case.
 
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Android raptor said:
I don't think I ever said it wouldn't be my fault if I made dead baby soup or put a baby in a blender or whatever. I said that because I could see that happening that's why I prevent it from happening by choosing not to have kids.

Though I personally think Rusty Yates also shares blame in the Andrea Yates case.
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There's only one person here who I saw encouraging you to have kids. I think everyone else is pretty unanimous in their agreement that you're probably better off with a basil plant or something similar.
 
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Android raptor said:
I don't think I ever said it wouldn't be my fault if I made dead baby soup or put a baby in a blender or whatever. I said that because I could see that happening that's why I prevent it from happening by choosing not to have kids.

Though I personally think Rusty Yates also shares blame in the Andrea Yates case.
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You seemed pretty dismissive of your own accountability in that situation. In fact I (think) I recall you saying it would pretty much be our faults if abortion was outlawed and you killed your baby later rather than sooner.
Expurgate Contradictions said:
There's only one person here who I saw encouraging you to have kids. I think everyone else is pretty unanimous in their agreement that you're probably better off with a basil plant or something similar.
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Ehh- no try a cactus. You can neglect those for months and they'll be fine.
 
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Lemmingwise said:
:optimistic:Well thought out posts:optimistic:



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I guess you must be thinking of one or two of the posts where you were able to string together more than 20 characters. And look, you even made a good point here.

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How long did you spend thinking about it before coming to that thoughtful conclusion?
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I said I gave up seriously debating you retards, this doesnt disprove that. you're just choosing not to show those to SCORE LIKES FROM THE OTHER INCELS

tongue my anus bitch
 
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Freya said:
I said I gave up seriously debating you retards
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Freya said:
Ive already made numerous serious well thought out posts itt
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It's a different context, but I'm getting the same energy.
 
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before raising kids try razing a basil plant :smug:
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my argument against abortion is that you're essentially killing a person who's unconscious. Fetuses are unconscious, like a person who's went to sleep. Think of being in the womb as the first sleep before you're born. it's not ok to kill someone who's asleep so why is it ok to kill a fetus? this person will become alive so you're committing a crime against the future. Killing a person who's asleep, they will wake up so in the future you're depriving someone of life. If you kill someone who's asleep you kill someone who's living in the future, not in the moment.
 
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Prolifers don't even have a coherent argument.

First, they assert that life begins at conception. Therefore, abortion is murder.

Then (other than the extremist fundies) they make exceptions for rape and incest. Tell me, if it truly is murder, why would it ever be justified? Just because that nine year old was raped doesn't mean that the fetus that did nothing wrong should be killed. Right? If it truly is murder, I would argue that the fetus' right to life outweighs any circumstance of birth.

You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You're either justifying murder of an innocent fetus that had nothing to do with its creation or you're not.

Or... maybe it isn't at all comparable to murder and you're all retarded.

There's another gaping hole in the argument for the prolife-with-exceptions crowd.

The vast majority of rapes never end up with a conviction. This is because consent is hard to disprove and it becomes a he-said-she-said situation which doesn't hold weight in court. A rape kit looks for the semen of the rapist and any physical signs of struggle. What if the rapist didn't leave any marks on the body? There wouldn't be a way to prove that a struggle occurred. This woman then has no way to prove she was raped. She finds out she's pregnant. Since no conviction occurred, the state cannot grant her right to abortion.

You just forced a victim of rape to birth the child of her rapist. If this is your utopia, you're seriously deranged.
 
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Vulva Gape said:
Prolifers don't even have a coherent argument.

First, they assert that life begins at conception. Therefore, abortion is murder.

Then (other than the extremist fundies) they make exceptions for rape and incest. Tell me, if it truly is murder, why would it ever be justified? Just because that nine year old was raped doesn't mean that the fetus that did nothing wrong should be killed. Right? If it truly is murder, I would argue that the fetus' right to life outweighs any circumstance of birth.

You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You're either justifying murder of an innocent fetus that had nothing to do with its creation or you're not.

Or... maybe it isn't at all comparable to murder and you're all retarded.
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I think it's a fair argument and I think it is an inconsistancy in my moral thinking I've not been able to resolve to satisfaction.

But I don't think the other side is any less inconsistent. I don't suppose you are in favor of decriminalizing causing an abortion against someone's will. Say if someone slipped morning after pill into their food, instead of being able to be charged with murder, to reduce it to illegal food tampering (a type of battery). Or only prosecuting the violence of someone pushing a pregnant woman down the stairs, rather than also the murder of her unborn child.

You see it in the definition that was linked earlier. It has to go explicitly out of the way to argue that it's murder or not based on the mother. If it's just a clump of cells, why does it matter? If I'd pop someone's zit against their will I can at best be charged with assault, to compare it to "a clump of cells". It's no less inconsistent to want to defend the legal code in regards to murder when someone else does it (or double murder in case of murdering the mother).

Alternatively if I follow that line of thinking about definition of words mentioned earlier, with "murder is depends on what is legal", you suddenly have no leg to stand on to decriminalize abortion in nations like Russia, because there it legally is murder, though you weren't the one that made the Is/Ought distinction.

Android raptor said:
Perhaps women should be able to transplant their unwanted embryos into the anuses of prolife men like the ones itt. By way of a big black dick shaped Turkey baster.
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Jokes saide, if it were possible, I'm sure there would be people (men and women) who'd be willing to do that.
 
Expurgate Contradictions said:
There's also lots of people who are willing to adopt the child after it's born.
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My uncle's daughter adopted and it was quite expensive and a pain. Necessary to weed out people that wouldn't be good parents.
They ended up being able to and all is well for them now.

My pro-choice stance is really me being concerned with the child's rights more than anything else.
 
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Vulva Gape said:
Prolifers don't even have a coherent argument.

First, they assert that life begins at conception. Therefore, abortion is murder.

Then (other than the extremist fundies) they make exceptions for rape and incest. Tell me, if it truly is murder, why would it ever be justified? Just because that nine year old was raped doesn't mean that the fetus that did nothing wrong should be killed. Right? If it truly is murder, I would argue that the fetus' right to life outweighs any circumstance of birth.
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This is true and personally it's the position I hold but it's important to note that this situation is a true moral dilemma. It's an awful situation and there are no good solutions. Pro-abortion advocates know this hence why they so quicky go to the rape example. It's easily possible to acknowledge the gravity of a situation like this where the life of one human is weighed against awful consequences being borne by another person while still holding to the fact that abortion is the killing of human life and should not be an option in all but the most extreme circumstances. For example in the case of conjoined twins the life of one might endanger the other. The only medical option may be separation, which would kill one but save the other but if the operation is not performed then both will die. A terrible situation, but that's a moral dilemma, there's no good solution but one would probably say that performing the surgery is better than not performing it since one person will live rather than both dying. I have the same position for abortions performed in order to save the mothers life from imminent life threatening danger, which I believe is fully consistent. It's not because I value the life of the fetus less than a fully grown conjoined twin, the situations are treated equally because sometimes lives are weighed against each other with no perfect solution.

In the case of rape I acknowledge that it would be an incredibly psychologically damaging thing for the victim to carry the baby to term but at the same time my question is whether it's acceptable for an innocent to die for the crimes of another? Again it's a very difficult moral dilemma with no easy options and though personally I believe protecting the life of the innocent is more important I do respect those who believe abortion is permissible in those situations.

Of course all this just highlights that abortion in neither of these cases done out of convenience simply is not morally permissible under any circumstances. There is no moral dilemma there, it's just killing for expediency.


You just forced a victim of rape to birth the child of her rapist.
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But you just admitted that if you personally believed that the fetus had the same moral weight as a human outside the womb that you would consider it murder and not permissible in the case of rape? So you've just undermined your own argument. Also stop with this "forced" nonsense. If the rape victim was going to commit suicide then surely you wouldn't consider stopping them from commiting suicide "forcing" them to birth the child of her rapist so stop trying to push this garbage emotional appeal where saying "Hey killing people is bad" is painted as forcing people to deal with whatever consequences arise from not being able to kill at will.
 
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