The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Muh Vagina said:
It's not murder. Facts over feelings.
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Ignoring that men who kill pregnant woman are also able to be charged with double homicide, you've already used this argument, and it was already pointed out to you that slavery used to be legal (and is in fact still legal in other parts of the world), so perhaps reconsider leaning so heavily on a legal appeal in a moral argument.
 
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Muh Vagina said:
It's not murder. Facts over feelings.

And it does matter. We don't live in a theocracy. Keep your religious fee fees off of my body.
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Abortion is the wilful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.
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Zero Day Defense said:
Ignoring that men who kill pregnant woman are also able to be charged with double homicide, you've already used this argument, and it was already pointed out to you that slavery used to be legal (and is in fact still legal in other parts of the world), so perhaps reconsider leaning so heavily on a legal appeal in a moral argument.
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An Embryo isn't considered "alive" until the 8th week bro. And according to science even a fetus has no sense of self and can't feel pain until the 3rd trimester * aka 27 weeks *.

And if a woman's that far along she ain't aborting that baby unless she has to.
 
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CheezzyMach said:
An Embryo isn't considered "alive" until the 8th week bro.
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Then is it an inanimate object? What kind of inanimate object grows into a human being?

CheezzyMach said:
And according to science even a fetus has no sense of self and can't feel pain until the 3rd trimester * aka 27 weeks *.
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So it's okay for someone to kill you after putting you into a medically induced coma...?

I'll never get the pain argument for abortion. There are people who are medically unable to feel pain. Does that suggest that they're not human, or that it's okay for them to be killed, or that they're less human as a result?

Anyways, you still need to read a book.
 
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CheezzyMach said:
And according to science even a fetus has no sense of self and can't feel pain until the 3rd trimester * aka 27 weeks *.
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If you look beyond self-confirmation, the science is very much in dispute with itself. But even using your source should raise questions.

I quote from your own link:

1. doctors groups and other critics of the law argue that a fetus cannot feel pain

2. One reason the question of fetal pain is so controversial is because pain is always a subjective experience

3. there's no definitive way to measure pain

4. Davis noted that while these time frames aren't exact

But I'll throw two more recent studies at you:



> Here, more recent evidence calling into question the necessity of the cortex for pain and demonstrating functional thalamic connectivity into the subplate is used to argue that the neuroscience cannot definitively rule out fetal pain before 24 weeks.

www.sciencedirect.com

New insights into fetal pain

Fetal pain is difficult to assess, because the main feature needed to spot pain, is the subject's capability of declaring it. Nonetheless, much can be…
www.sciencedirect.com www.sciencedirect.com

> It appears that pain is a neuroadaptive phenomenon that emerges in the middle of pregnancy, at about 20–22 weeks of gestation
 
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booklover said:
To me, forced abortion is the REAL definition of "anti-choice."

Women who would be willing to abort a disabled children would also be more likely to do screenings for defects IMNSHO. My own personal experience is that the pregnancies that lead to severely disabled babies also frequently cause serious complications in the mother, and that might be the main reason why they might choose an early induction, and no treatment beyond comfort care if the baby is born alive.

I have also read, and mentioned elsewhere in this thread, that by many accounts, children with Down Syndrome are almost nonexistent in Iceland, which makes me wonder if the parents really did choose not to have them, or were coerced into it or the babies were not cared for after birth.
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How does this post have Dumb stickers when those are gone from the Thunderdome?
 
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