The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Ari Gold]

It's more like the instant it stops being parasitically attached to another person and putting their life in danger is when that person's right to bodily autonomy stops overulling the right of a fetus to exist (not that a fetus should have any rights). Tho like I said above I personally think with FUBAR potato babies who will never have any quality of life even when they're out of another person's body they should be given palliative care only. It's cruel and a waste of resources to try and prolong the existence of something incompatible with life.

Parasitically attached eh. That's lovely language.

A baby does depend on it's mother or some caretaker for a number of years. The human child continues to be parasitic in nature to it's family for many years in terms of food, housing, and development. A child is wholly dependent on it's family and society in general until it can produce something of value. Usually after they get educated after over two decades nowadays.

I tend to agree with your assessment of FUBAR babies, but I find it hard to determine when a baby is FUBAR in the same way I find it hard to determine when a human fetus/baby/child becomes a person and attains some sort of rights.

 

[Android raptor]

Parasitically attached eh. That's lovely language.

A baby does depend on it's mother or some caretaker for a number of years. The human child continues to be parasitic in nature to it's family for many years in terms of food, housing, and development. A child is wholly dependent on it's family and society in general until it can produce something of value. Usually after they get educated after over two decades nowadays.

I tend to agree with your assessment of FUBAR babies, but I find it hard to determine when a baby is FUBAR in the same way I find it hard to determine when a human fetus/baby/child becomes a person and attains some sort of rights.

Children aren't literally, physically attached to their parents like fetuses are. Plus you can say fuck this shit and put your kid up for adoption if you don't want to care for it.

Forced pregnancy is more akin to forced organ harvesting, since it can literally kill you or make you seriously ill. You cant force someone to give up a kidney, so you shouldn't force them to give up a uterus either.

No, the spores would be sperm and eggs.

Mold spores themselves will become mold in the right conditions just as much as an embryo can become a super special original babby donut steel.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Plus you can say fuck this shit and put your kid up for adoption if you don't want to care for it.

You can wait nine months, do that with the baby after it's born, and avoid taking an innocent life.

You cant force someone to give up a kidney, so you shouldn't force them to give up a uterus either.

This would be a good argument if mobs of pro-lifers were stopping women on the street and cutting their uteruses out.

 

[Android raptor]

You can wait nine months, do that with the baby after it's born, and avoid taking an innocent life.

Not if you die from something related to pregnancy you cant.

Also prolifers are in the streets demanding to micromanage the uteruses of women and even children, it's not much different than if they were literally cutting them out (especially with the potential death risk of pregnancy and childbirth)

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Not if you die from something related to pregnancy you cant.

This is what we call a motte and bailey.
When it suits you you argue for abortion on demand, but when a pro-lifer on this thread responds to that you talk about the miniscule fraction of abortions that take place to save the woman's life.

 

[Android raptor]

This is what we call a motte and bailey.
When it suits you you argue for abortion on demand, but when a pro-lifer on this thread responds to that you talk about the miniscule fraction of abortions that take place to save the woman's life.

Death isn't the only risk of pregnancy and childbirth. Lots of women would rather not have their taint torn open or rendered incontinent either.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Lots of women would rather not have their taint torn open or rendered incontinent either.

And lots of babies would rather not end up dead, but go off.

 

[Ari Gold]

Children aren't literally, physically attached to their parents like fetuses are. Plus you can say fuck this shit and put your kid up for adoption if you don't want to care for it.

Forced pregnancy is more akin to forced organ harvesting, since it can literally kill you or make you seriously ill. You cant force someone to give up a kidney, so you shouldn't force them to give up a uterus either.

So, you think that forced pregnancy should never occur even if it is viable?

Forced pregnancy is another spectacular turn of phrase. You can't really force pregnancy, unless a woman is raped or inseminated against their will. And I think abortion under those circumstances is easily justifiable. I think carrying the parasitic creature that you created to term makes more sense. Or if we can clean it up: carrying the fetus to term.

 

[Android raptor]

And lots of babies would rather not end up dead, but go off.

Babies don't even know what death is, and fetuses and embryos definitely don't. If you asked a baby whether it likes being alive, it would shit itself and do nothing (or cry). A fetus wouldnt even do that, and an embryo you wouldn't really even be able to see with the naked eye. It wouldn't rather anything. It doesn't even have a true brain.

So, you think that forced pregnancy should never occur even if it is viable?

Forced pregnancy is another spectacular turn of phrase. You can't really force pregnancy, unless a woman is raped or inseminated against their will. And I think abortion under those circumstances is easily justifiable. I think carrying the parasitic creature that you created to term makes more sense. Or if we can clean it up: carrying the fetus to term.

A condom ripping is insemination against a woman's will. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Do I need to bring back the ass play discussion?

 

[Ari Gold]

Babies don't even know what death is, and fetuses and embryos definitely don't. If you asked a baby whether it likes being alive, it would shit itself and do nothing (or cry). A fetus wouldnt even do that, and an embryo you wouldn't really even be able to see with the naked eye. It wouldn't rather anything. It doesn't even have a true brain.


A condom ripping is insemination against a woman's will. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Do I need to bring back the ass play discussion?

When you consent to an action, you consent to the reasonable consequences of such action. Pregnancy is reasonable if you fuck with a condom. Even more so if you fuck in the ass without one.

That doesn't mean the embryo (or whatever the fuck it is) is entitled to life. That is why I mentioned viability of the fetus which you conveniently ignored.

 

[PlasticOwls]

Denmark might be super anti abortion, but their welfare program and adoption agencies are well funded as a flip side.

Being against 100% abortion, but also rejecting more services to new single moms and families who couldnt afford a kid is just a lose lose for everyone involved.

You can be faggots about it, and tell pregnant women to stop having babies, but that's blatantly ignoring the gray areas that are a dime a dozen for the sake of the argument. Shit just happens sometimes, and abortion is cheaper and more beneficial in the long run.

I suppose you can't have the religious folk happy about it, but the politicians who make a fuss about abortion because of 'muh religion' are doing it for good boy points with their base.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Denmark might be super anti abortion, but their welfare program and adoption agencies are well funded as a flip side.

And speaking as a Christian, ”pro-life” means ”pro-life”, not just ”pro-life until it's out of the womb”.

 

[PlasticOwls]

And speaking as a Christian, ”pro-life” means ”pro-life”, not just ”pro-life until it's out of the womb”

As long as there's some compromise instead of the usual pro-life tactic of stonewalling anything to do with abortion, there can be some headway into the subject.

No compromise or solution will make everyone happy, whether that be ethically or financially, but at least it isn't just the two most vocal sides trying to fling their shit the farthest.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Abortion is murder

No it isn't. Facts over feelings.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

No it isn't. Facts over feelings.

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By that logic, the Holocaust wasn't murder because it was legal.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Since when is law a matter of fact?

L M A O

 

[Android raptor]

When you consent to an action, you consent to the reasonable consequences of such action. Pregnancy is reasonable if you fuck with a condom. Even more so if you fuck in the ass without one.

That doesn't mean the embryo (or whatever the fuck it is) is entitled to life. That is why I mentioned viability of the fetus which you conveniently ignored.

Then if you consent to a bj, you consent to a surprise finger up the ass because I said so. If random dudes can say consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, that I can say consent to a blowie is consent to ass play.

And speaking as a Christian, ”pro-life” means ”pro-life”, not just ”pro-life until it's out of the womb”.

Could've fooled me. At least in the US a vast majority of prolifers pitch bitch fits because a few pennies of their tax dollars go towards food stamps and other programs to provide needy children and families with basic necessities. The only time you see them giving a fuck about actual born kids is when it's some fucked up potato or something that isnt compatible with life.

Red states have infamously terrible social resources and safety nets, even by burgerland standards. Pretty sure most of the poorest parts of the country, with the highest rates of shit like childhood hunger and infant death are in red areas.

 

[KateHikes14]

Then if you consent to a bj, you consent to a surprise finger up the ass because I said so. If random dudes can say consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, that I can say consent to a blowie is consent to ass play.

Ones probability, the other is a choice unless you are talking about stealthing the analogy isn't appropriate.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

If random dudes can say consent to sex is consent to pregnancy, that I can say consent to a blowie is consent to ass play.

Being fingered is not a natural consequence of a blowjob. Pregnancy is a natural consequence of sex.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Could've fooled me. At least in the US a vast majority of prolifers pitch bitch fits because a few pennies of their tax dollars go towards food stamps and other programs to provide needy children and families with basic necessities. The only time you see them giving a fuck about actual born kids is when it's some fucked up potato or something that isnt compatible with life.

Red states have infamously terrible social resources and safety nets, even by burgerland standards. Pretty sure most of the poorest parts of the country, with the highest rates of shit like childhood hunger and infant death are in red areas.

This is pretty much were most pro-life arguements collapse for me, no convinction or willingness to deal with the fallout. Even with abortions orphans have it rough, god only know how much of shit show it'd be if every junkie and rape victim had to bring to term.