The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Android raptor]

This was the worst thread on this site and somehow it slipped further. It really is too autistic to live and too mad on the internet to die. Sorry for being a dick @Android raptor. Now I understand what happened to you. If you keep posting here, you'll end up wandering the streets and muttering to yourself about ass-rapist alien priests.

Eh, being able to shitpost on an autistic forum about retards on the internet actually keeps me off the streets muttering incoherently about buttrape aliens. Seriously this forum is great for blowing off steam and keeping me from doing shit more harmful than saying bad words and pissing off neckbeards on the internet.

Tumblr on the other hand was a horrorshow and my only regret is that I wasted any time on that godforsaken hellsite. Now that's a collection of failed abortions for the ages.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Do you want more of those people shitting up society?

To me, their lives have as much worth as anyone else's.

I'm pro-life and for me, pro-life means pro-life, not ”pro-some lives if they're rich and white enough”.

 

[Android raptor]

To me, their lives have as much worth as anyone else's.

I'm pro-life and for me, pro-life means pro-life, not ”pro-some lives if they're rich and white enough”.

What if they're pregnant and want to abort the pregnancy?

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

What if they're pregnant and want to abort the pregnancy?

As I have said throughout this thread murder is not excusable and every life, from conception to the grave, matters.

 

[Android raptor]

As I have said throughout this thread murder is not excusable and every life, from conception to the grave, matters.

So in that case legal abortion where you don't have tons of women and girls dying is preferable to areas where it's illegal that do have that issue? Fetus and embryos are dying regardless. If protecting life matters, you'd think the option that involves fewer deaths is preferable.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

tons of women and girls dying

Back to stage 3 we go!

I see we've reached stage 3 of the @Android raptor guide to debating abortion.
1) argue for abortion on demand at any stage of the pregnancy.
2) wait for a pro-lifer to show up and disagree with you.
3) defend abortion on the grounds that it's arguably necessary to save the mother's life in some cases.
4) imply that pro-lifers all hate women, want them to die barefoot and pregnant, and want to implement sharia in the West.
5) when that pro-lifer decides to read another thread on the Farms instead of arguing with an elaborately constructed motte and bailey, go back to stage 1.

 

[Android raptor]

Back to stage 3 we go!

But which is it? If you care about life, wouldn't supporting the option that gives you fewer deaths make the most sense? Abortion bans do nothing to stop it and just mean you get dead women in addition to aborted embryos.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Abortion bans do nothing to stop it

This argument is as exceptional as saying ”we ban theft but theft still happens so we should legalise stealing shit”.

 

[CheezzyMach]

This argument is as exceptional as saying ”we ban theft but theft still happens so we should legalise stealing shit”.

Stealing most of the time doesn't result in people dying like back ally abortions do.

Safe legal abortion would result in fewer deaths and a humane way of killing unwanted fetuses. As opposed to women taking coat hangers to the cooch and drowning/smothering unwanted babies like they do in places where abortion is banned.

Here's the question I ask to the hardcore pro lifers in this thread. Who's going to take care of all these unwanted babies if unfit mothers can't abort?

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Safe legal abortion would result in fewer deaths

That implies unborn babies aren't alive.

 

[CheezzyMach]

That implies unborn babies aren't alive.

They're dying either way having it legalized would make it more humane and keep the woman alive.

And since you didn't answer my question who is going to care for all these unwanted babies?

 

[Android raptor]

That implies unborn babies aren't alive.

Some fetuses actually aren't alive when they're aborted, abortion isn't just for yeeting unwanted fetuses. Removal of dead and dying fetuses is also considered abortion and the treatment is basically the same. And yes, women have died in countries with totally abortion bans because doctors refused to remove their dead or dying, rotting fetuses.

And even the ones that aren't dead when they're aborted will die regardless of whether it's a safe legal abortion or an illegal back alley abortion that kills the woman/girl.

Even just having abortion restrictions like underage girls requiring parental permission to get abortions has resulted in deaths. Deaths of actual children, not just embryos or fetuses.

 

[Nom Carver]

...who is going to care for all these unwanted babies?

I know this isn't meant for me specifically but I want to butt-in.

This is where my argument (from a real world, practical standpoint) kind of falls apart, because at this point being casual about sex has become more or less ingrained in our culture. Ideally nobody would care for those unwanted babies because they wouldn't exist in the first place, because people wouldn't have had sex knowing the risks involved without being capable of dealing with those risks. Of course, as the culture is now, that sort of solution can't be realized by just banning abortion outright. It's why I've never proposed banning abortion as a functional solution.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

They're dying either way

That makes as much sense as ”no matter what the government does murder will take place so we should legalise murder”.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I know this isn't meant for me specifically but I want to butt-in.

This is where my argument (from a real world, practical standpoint) kind of falls apart, because at this point being casual about sex has become more or less ingrained in our culture. Ideally nobody would care for those unwanted babies because they wouldn't exist in the first place, because people wouldn't have had sex knowing the risks involved without being capable of dealing with those risks. Of course, as the culture is now, that sort of solution can't be realized by just banning abortion outright. It's why I've never proposed banning abortion as a functional solution.

It's just being passive. Of course any social change will have a cost.

We have no problem destroying the entire fabric over how we interact over some trumped up flu, killing thousands of people who become suicidal over the lack of touch and isolation.

We have no problem forcing people to wear symbols of their own oppression over their mouths, that cause more respiratory illnesses than they prevent.

Yes, there will be some people paying the brunt when you change the resultss of certain type of behaviour. This will serve as a warning for other people to learn from and to change their behaviour.

This is the reality with any change in society.
And unlike most changes we've seen in recent times, on lives destroyed vs lives saved it would be massively in the plus. Which is also why it won't be allowed to happen.

 

[Android raptor]

It's just being passive. Of course any social change will have a cost.

We have no problem destroying the entire fabric over how we interact over some trumped up flu, killing thousands of people who become suicidal over the lack of touch and isolation.

We have no problem forcing people to wear symbols of their own oppression over their mouths, that cause more respiratory illnesses than they prevent.

Yes, there will be some people paying the brunt when you change the resultss of certain type of behaviour. This will serve as a warning for other people to learn from and to change their behaviour.

This is the reality with any change in society.
And unlike most changes we've seen in recent times, on lives destroyed vs lives saved it would be massively in the plus. Which is also why it won't be allowed to happen.

Prolife and antimask, a classic combo just like prolife and pro-death penalty.

I know this isn't meant for me specifically but I want to butt-in.

This is where my argument (from a real world, practical standpoint) kind of falls apart, because at this point being casual about sex has become more or less ingrained in our culture. Ideally nobody would care for those unwanted babies because they wouldn't exist in the first place, because people wouldn't have had sex knowing the risks involved without being capable of dealing with those risks. Of course, as the culture is now, that sort of solution can't be realized by just banning abortion outright. It's why I've never proposed banning abortion as a functional solution.

Lol casual sex and the problem of what to do with unwanted kids isn't new. If anything countries that have abortion and birth control access still have fewer unwanted kids than those that don't.

Historically and in some places today unwanted kids would get dumped in orphanages, and we all know how kids in orphanages tend to fair. Back in the day you also had shit like baby farming where desperate single moms would drop their kids of with older women who would supposedly care for them for a fee. Some moms would never come to collect their kids, and some baby farmers would just straight up smother babies they got sick of caring for.

With shit like that I can see why some people just killed their unwanted kids as newborns, arguably merciful in comparison to the likely alternative.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Prolife and antimask, a classic combo just like prolife and pro-death penalty.

Yeah most people don't know how to wear them and most masks are shit.

Never read research and prochoice, a classic combo.

 

[Android raptor]

Yeah most people don't know how to wear them and most masks are shit.

Never read research and prochoice, a classic combo.

Yep, that's why you have to wear them right. Though even the shittiest ones will at least make you less likely to give others coof (which has killed millions of people now btws).

You should read the research about how fetuses can't feel pain and abortion being significantly safer than giving birth in the us. As well as about how most women who've had abortions don't regret it even years later.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You should read the research about how fetuses can't feel pain

See this is what I mean by you not reading. I've already commented and even posted studies on that in this thread.

If you think, why do you think pain is irrelevant? Scroll back or take a guess.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

just like prolife and pro-death penalty.

How many unborn babies do you know that are mass murderers?